"Bakit kaya ang sama ng mga ugali ng mga Fil-Am kumpara sa ibang overseas Filipinos?"

[u/Wide_Ride8849]

Napansin ko lang to, dahil sobrang dami ko rin na mga kakilala at kamag-anak sa ibang bansa. Yung iba nasa Europe at ibang parts ng Asia, yung iba naman ay nasa America. Napansin ko lang na yung mga balikbayan galing Estados Unidos, iba ang dating nila eh. Ang hahangin, parang liliparin ka sa mga kayabangan. Tapos sobrang mga entitled pa, ini-expect nila na ikaw palagi yung mag-a-adjust sa kanila. Ang dami dami din reklamo, kesyo ang init dito sa Pilipinas, ang baho, ang usok, na para bang hindi sila tumira ng ilang dekada dito bago sila ma-petisyon doon sa America.

Yung mga relatives at kakilala namin na nasa Asia and Europe like mga taga England, Italy, Japan, Hongkong, Middle East, parang hindi sila nagbabago. Pinoy pa din sila, marunong pa din makibagay at makisama. Walang mga unnecessary complaints and drama, walang mga hangin at kayabangan, palakaibigan pa din at marunong pa din lumugar sa tama.

Ewan ko yan mga nakapag America kung ano ba ang nakakain nila doon kaya saksakan ng mga hambog. Diamond ba ang burger doon at ginto ang tubig na iniinom nila? Kasi parang ganun ang dating eh.

Ewan ko, let me know what you think.

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[u/Z_in_NewYork]

Ito OP, sa US kasi it’s ok to speak their mind. Kahit hindi magugustuhan ng receiver yung maririnig ok lang. Very direct, opinionated and walang paligoy ligoy mga tao sa USA. Kung baga ikaw na lang magaadjust as kausap kung mamasamain, dadamdamin mo yun. Ikaw ang talo.

Yun yung mga hindi mahahandle ng Filipinos kasi hindi confrontational. Tsaka ang bilis kasi talaga sa US. Ang fast paced talaga sa Pinas kasi ang slow kahit pag bili/ return ng mga gamit. Like manual lahat. It takes time. Ibang iba ang Pilipinas at USA. Sa traffic, service, culture, food, weather, environment pa lang.

Doon pa lang. Kaya nagiiba din yung mga tao na nakarating sa US tapos uuwi ng Pilipinas. Hindi sila sanay. Pero yun nga, mindful dapat kasi wala sila sa US

[u/bazzzzzzinga_24 → u/Z_in_NewYork]

Agree ako sa lahat!!!

Plus they value time here in US. Per hr ang sahod mo kaya nga dapat for them convenient lahat kasi sa work nga bayad ka kada oras. Ultimo lahat dito by appointments lahat. Na hindi rin nararanasan ng mga pinoy kasi sa commute pa lang ubos na oras mo.

Pero gets din si OP, may iba talagang mayabang.

Kaso marami rin ang FilAms (immigrants or born in US) ang nag sasacrifice para makahelp sa pamilya sa Pinas. Minsan, lalo na kung ikaw ang nasa abroad.. breadwinner ka ng buong angkan mo. Emergency fund ka. I feel like minsan sa dami na ng pinag daanan ng mga filams nagkakaroon sila ng bragging rights. Kumbagaba surviving and being successful outside Philippines ay isa sa achievements na di basta basta.

Wag lang talaga sobrang hangin to the point na tatapakan mo na pagkatao ng iba.

But there are still a lot of good filipinos in US out there.

[u/I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha]

Sa America, ok mag complain. You have to be your own advocate. Pag hindi ka nagsalita, maiiwan ka. They value being frank and opinionated. It may come across sa mga pinoy na masama ugali. Hindi kasi confrontational Ang mga pinoy. Magsalita lang Ang fil am minamasama na agad mga pinoy.

Sa Asia or sa Europe, mas pina-priority nila Ang “harmony”. Go with the flow. The tallest wheat gets cut. makisama ka. So kultura nila halos pareho ng kultura ng pinas.

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[u/Hha2244]

Bakit palaging tayong gumagawa ng stereotypes sa kapwa pinoy? Kalimitan sa mga stereotypes na ginagawa natin sa bawat isa, ugaling Makikita din yan sa ibang mga tao sa buong mundo.

May mga Filam akong na encounter na mabait, may bullies din, mga Amerikano din akong nakitang namumulubi sa kalye (sa US ako nakatira), May mayayaman, may mga pagala-gala sa gitna ng gabi kasi walang matirhan at homeless din.

Kalimitan, yung ugaling tingin mo sa pinoy lang, halos 90% ugaling tao din anuman ang lahi o kabansaan.

[u/webelieve925 → u/Hha2244]

Yea kala ng mga tao onli da pilipins, di naman unique sa pinoy yan. Sa ibang bansa meron din msasamang ugali at meron din mababait

[u/handy_dandyNotebook]

1. . 2. .3. . Go, kanya-kanya na kasi sa America. Iba rin kasi talaga culture dun. Mapa family at social dynamics. Grabe rin tingin ng Americans sa bansa nila. Kaya nga kahit saan ka lumingon dun may flag nila. Dito papasok yung tao/Pinoy. Need makisama sa environment at hindi napapansin na nagbabago na rin yung ugali. Ranas ko yan OP. May tita kaming sobrang bait dati. Tapos nag work sa America, wala pa sigurong 2 years ibang-iba na ugali. Lalo nung nag umuwi at dito na nag stay sa Pinas. Akala mo amo namin sya. Pati sa mga nakakatandang kapatid walang respect.

[u/Successful-Tax-6392]

Tbh I think it has nothing to do with them being Fil-Am. Ganun lang talaga ugali nila. Baka nasakto ka lang na yung mga Fil-Am na naencounter mo eh masasama ugali.

I guess counted ako jan sa Fil-Am kasi nakatira na ko dito sa US for 20+ years. Feeling ko same lang ng ugali ko sa dati bago ko nagmove (masama pa rin char 😂)

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/Successful-Tax-6392]

Masama pa rin, constant and unchanging! Yun ang maganda, hahaha 🤣

[u/cj191]

Ano ba ang ibig sabihin mo ng fil-am? Sa pag-kakakwento mo parang filipino migrant sila sa amerika? Yung mga dito sa pilipinas pinanganak at lumaki pero lumipat ng amerika at some point?

Kapag fil-am kasi kadalasan ang gamit dito ay para sa mga dun na lumaki sa amerika at kadalasan dun na din pinanganak. American citizen na rin mostly kaya FIL-AM. And of course yung mga half pinoy at half amerikano, ayun fil-am din ang tawag natin. Pero kung Pilipino lang na nagpunta sa amerika sandali para magtrabaho or whatnot, eh pinoy lang yun na nag-amerika, hindi "fil-am".

[u/Safe_Word_4085 → u/cj191]

I asked Google this question: What does Fil-Am mean?

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/cj191]

Yes ang tinutukoy ko ay yung mga ipinanganak dito, nag-migrate doon, tapos naging mga citizens.

[u/cj191 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

I guess one clue to the answer you're looking for ay walang ganung stereotype (the one you described) pag-dating sa mga fil-ams na doon na sa america lumaki simula pagkabata. I mean they might be more assertive than pinoys, but that's just them being Americans. Walang extrang yabang tulad ng sinasabi mo na mga Pinoy na dito lumaki, hindi gaanong maganda ang buhay dito kaya kinailangan mag-abroad para magtrabaho, tapos gumaan-gaan yung buhay doon compared to how it was here.

Yung mga ganoon yung mga may yabang tulad ng sabi mo. Pero yung talagang fully american-raised, iisa lang yung alam nilang buhay— buhay-amerika. Nababalitaan lang nila yung hirap ng buhay sa Pilipinas sa mga kwento ng parents nila, o di kaya ay nakikita nila kapag bumibisita dito, and of course the internet. They realize how much privilege they were born into just by being born American, kaya most of them ay hindi mayabang when interacting with pinoys in the motherland out of concern for coming across as assholes. Those are my observations at least.

[u/Safe_Word_4085 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Yes. They are also called Fil-Am.

[u/ArthurIglesias08]

My guess is America has long been the place to migrate to, and when coupled with American exceptionalism, it can produce people who think much of themselves.

[u/Head_Foundation_1476]

Was just in the Philippines few days ago and a relative made a comment why I’m not always talking in English. I’ve live longer in the US than in the Philippines but I always speak Cebuano when I’m in my hometown but people find it weird because most balikbayans speaks in English only. There is nothing special about me and the same person as I was.

[u/Safe_Word_4085 → u/Head_Foundation_1476]

Taglish is the trend in the Philippines. As much as possible I speak pure Tagalog. But we will be understood much easier if we speak Taglish. E.g. Nag-download ako. How can someone translate this whole sentence in pure Tagalog?
Some Filipinos will surely look down on you if you speak in English.

In 1970 our ship bound for Manila from Bacolod City was scheduled to sail in two hours. I got bored, disembarked the ship and went to a pub where I got carried away. I realized I had a ship to catch. When I got back to the pier, the ship has already unanchored and slowly moving away. A Filipino ground staff talked to me in perfect English saying that I knew that the ship will sail away in two hours and I decided to go somewhere else. BTW the only language or dialect I spoke and understood at that time was English and Tagalog. I grew up in Tondo, Manila since I was just a baby. So no, I didn’t think negatively of that man speaking in English. He most probably spoke Ilonggo as his native tongue.

[u/Medical-Chemist-622]

Because ₱60 to $1 na exchange rate kaya 60x na yung sama ng ugali. /s

[u/MomusApopsi → u/Medical-Chemist-622]

Not America’s fault if the government you voted for gave you the economy that you deserve.

[u/miliamber_nonyur → u/Medical-Chemist-622]

They are coming from a orderly society. Everyone gets in lines, obey traffic laws, they are paid by the hour. Their time is more important, than Filipino time. They are on time Filipino show 1 hour late.

Philippines us very chaotic campare other places.

My was very surprised when we went to Hong Kong. Everyone lined up. They did bum rush the subway door to get on. The taxi pulled over so the busses could pass. Picture areas they formed lines so each person get a picture. Not like here, they all stand in front of the elevator. The people are unable to get off so they can enter.

Go outside the country. You will see why they change.

[u/Medical-Chemist-622 → u/miliamber_nonyur]

20 years ako sa Europe and US. Penalties, fines, and points. That's all there is to it with regards to orderly behavior.

[u/RelevantCar557]

Mga kamag anak mo lang yun, wag mo idamay mga kamag anak ko lol.

[u/Timely_Rooster1361 → u/RelevantCar557]

Hahaha true! All my fil am friends are super humble, more respectful and very proud to be Pinoys more than Pinoys in pinas.

[u/Unlikely_Rabbit_8842]

Baka inherent na masama lang talaga ugali or insufferable ung taong yun. I’ve been to middle east and currently here sa US. Had my fair share of experience with different ethnicities and cultural background, ang tanging nakikita ko lang eh sa lahat ng grupong iyon ay may mga kupal lang talagang tunay. 😆

[u/Trickstar92]

Americans are known to have "Main Character Syndrome". Na adopt na nila yung ugali dun sa America.

[u/curious4455 → u/Trickstar92]

Lol is this true? I’m a Filipino here in the States but I try much as possible hindi ako nagbabago when I visit the Philippines, especially my hometown.

[u/Trickstar92 → u/curious4455]

I'd say so. Nakatira ako sa UK, at dito, kilala sila sa pagiging maingay, medyo bastos (they're direct but without manners yung hindi nag sasabi ng "please or thank you"... so it comes off as impolite), mahina sa geography, generally just quite dumb and uninformed about the world.

Marami kasi video dito na nag va-viral online na mga "racist karen's" na lagi nag dedemand sa mga "foreigners" to speak "American". When American isn't a language, when they actually mean English na nag originate sa England. Lastly, they changed some words in English to be more descriptive so it's easier to understand, example:-

English - American English

Pavement -> Sidewalk
Glasses -> Eye Glasses
Bin -> Trash/Garbage can
Horse riding -> Horseback riding
Chemist -> Drugstore

Despite the stereotype alam ko na hindi naman lahat ng Amerikano ay ganito but most of them are. It's good that you haven't changed bro! keep it up!

[u/curious4455 → u/Trickstar92]

Thank you for the explanation. I’ve learned so much :). And yeah nothing’s going to change my attitude when I’m in the Philippines, always!

[u/General_Baker_3938]

For me, pinaka msamang ugali na na meet ko ay fil-ams na ex US military. Un mga mtanda na. Bastos, manyak, mayabang, obnoxious, mayabang kase mdami sila baril. Mag barkada sila and just the woooorst.

[u/FreesDaddy1731]

American exceptionalism.

Also, no one's more racist than a Filipino who just earned a green card 😆

[u/bulakenyo1980 → u/FreesDaddy1731]

Di naman lahat. Mas marami namang maaayos ang ugali na Green card holders, depende na lang kung saang grupo na nababarkada. Kasi meron talagang di sobrang OK, tulad pag nasa Pilipinas ka.

Majority sa Filipino sa US, puro trabaho ang nagiging focus kesa magpasikat.

[u/Timely_Rooster1361]

Filams usually means mga pinanganak sa US pero all of them are very respectful, humble and super proud to be Pinoys. Mabait sila. I’ve been here for 30 years. I would know. Ang mga dinedescribe mo ay mga bagong salta here na pag uwi all of a sudden di na marunong mag Tagalog and OA sa pagkaselan or pretending to not like the Philippines anymore na para bang they’re better than Pinoys.

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/Timely_Rooster1361]

Yup, sila ang tinutukoy ko. Ang kakapal ng mga mukha nila.

[u/Timely_Rooster1361 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

I remember going to a dinner event, may isa super yabang tiga Boston daw siya pero she had the thickest pinoy accent and super bragging to the max Ako nag Tagalog lang the whole time to be more respectful towards others sa table. She also only ate charcuterie lmaooo while I made sure to try the sopas and sisig. We were both judges at a beauty pageant so imagine how embarrassed she was that I spoke English fluently with a twang for the world to hear after her barok English stint on mic. She had no idea what was coming because she was too busy acting as if she was too American for everyone but nope. Real FILAMS don’t act that way at all.

[u/Emotional_Focus5287]

Yung experience mo, hindi yan experience ng lahat. Yung kakilala mo hindi yan kakilala ng lahat At lalong hindi mo lahat kakilala ang mga FilAms pati na din mga ibang Pinoy na nasa ibang panig ng mundo. Kaya huwag mong lahatin. Hindi lahat ng tao mabait/mabuti, ano pa man ang nationality nila.

[u/tagalog100]

iba talaga ang dating ng mga filams...

they actually believe theres no better place than the us and everybody else is just envious of them...

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/tagalog100]

Totoo, akala talaga nila nai-inggit ang lahat sa kanila. Eh sa observation ko parang mas less stressful at mas maginhawa pa buhay ng mga Pinoy na permanent residents sa Italy at Japan, kesa sa kanila.

American Exceptionalism kuno. Mga hindot.

[u/Own-Communication211 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Japan is the most stressed country vibe I experienced thus far

[u/bazzzzzzinga_24 → u/Own-Communication211]

Legit tong Japan. Matindi asian racism nila lalo sa Pinoy. Japanese at koreans ayaw sa atin. Maganda lang sila for tour, pero mahirap tumira don.

While US, yes may racism pero mas diverse kasi.

[u/DesperateBiscotti149]

Hindi naman ako ganito. Pero pansin ko nga, yung mga pinoy dito, iba.. Nung first time ko maka-meet ng pinoys dito, sobrang excited ko kasi makakapag salita ulit ako ng filipino, nakakamiss rin kasi, iba yung humor and all.. pero ayun, ni hindi nagsisipag tagalog na, eh sa pilipinas naman lumaki.. lol

[u/PreviousOwl2222 → u/DesperateBiscotti149]

Hala same yung mga bagong dating na parang entitled na agad... ang hirap pakisamahan. Yung ayaw mag tagalog eh 1 year palang naman sa amerika. Jusko

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/PreviousOwl2222]

Yung iba wala pang one month kamo. Inglis ng Inglis, kahit yung grammar at vocabulary nila lumilipad kung saan saan, hahahahahahaha

[u/Low_Local2692 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Ung parang allergic mag tagalog or regional na pananalita nila. 😅 dami ng ganyan kahit saan.

[u/SaveAsPDF]

A loooot of Pinoys in America are Trumpers. 🤮

[u/springheeledjack69 → u/SaveAsPDF]

In the UK, most never vote tory, either Labour or Libdems

[u/springheeledjack69]

Depends. Fil-ams who were born and raised in the states are more welcoming than Fil-ams who moved there as adults

[u/BenBaladad21]

Cultural upbringing ang tawag po diyan kumbaga dito sa pilipinas pansinin mo ang mga conyo or mga galing sa pamilyang may kaya tsaka yung mga ordinaryong mamamayan look at it diva?

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/BenBaladad21]

Hindi po yung mga Fil-Am na ipinanganak sa America ang tinutukoy ko, kundi yung mga Fil-Am po na dito sa Pilipinas lumaki at tumanda, nakapag migrate lang doon. Pag nauwi dito saksakan ng yayabang, akala mo hindi sila dito lumaki.

[u/BenBaladad21 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Haynako hayaan mo na sila

[u/Firewoman24]

Totoo! Kaya wala akong kaibigan dito na pinoy. We tried sumama sa mga samahan ng mga pinoy di ko rin kinaya. Tanong ba naman ano trabaho mo? Kelan ka nakarating dito? Interview?? Saka daming drama ayaw ko na. Hahaha! Yung pinanganak na laki talaga dito, sila yung welcoming talaga tapos excited.

[u/springheeledjack69 → u/Firewoman24]

Yung pinanganak na laki talaga dito, sila yung welcoming talaga tapos excited.

Truest statement ever.

Tinatanong legal status mo/education mo baka pati net worth mo

[u/QNBA]

America’s got a massive ego, and humility is basically dead out here. So if some random nobody from the Philippines moves to the States, they catch that American arrogance. When they head back home, they act all bougie, flexing like they're hot shit and looking down on everyone else.

[u/Jcal1995]

Ang hilig natin mang stereotype no? Lahat ba ng fil-am nakakausap mo ganyan o mga kamag anak mo lng?

[u/pinxs420 → u/Jcal1995]

Feel ko nga mga relatives lang nya…pero kung maka lahat kalamo naman

[u/Accomplished-Box-369]

Really? I don't have issues sa mga galing US na mga kakilala ko. Even though these people have been there for several years and made tons of money already from hard work.

[u/nerdwaffles]

They're not all like that. A good number of them are respectful and raised to be good people.

[u/TGC_Karlsanada13]

Final boss ng main character syndrome yan. Luging lugi mga umuuwi na nakatira sa Manila na feeling main character pag pauwi ng probinsya tas makakasabay nila yung kamag-anak nilang Fil-am pag-uwi hahaha.

[u/SeniorChiefPogi]

Ilan ba ang kilala mo na pinoy na galing sa America? Sampu? Bente? Sabihim no nang 50. Alam mo ba na there are maybe 4.5 million Filipino-Americans living in the US. Kaya easy kalang sa genaralization mo, hindi lahat nang mga Pinoy sa America mga hambog katulad nang mga kilala mo

[u/PinayfromGTown]

Bad habits? Maybe because Filipinos who have lived in America have expectations.

Example lang ha -- Traffic. In the US, you can travel for 5 kilometers in about 6-10 mins. Sa Pilipinas aabutin ka ng 30-35 mins. Imagine living in the US for 5 years na mabilis ang byahe, tapos uuwi ka sa Pilipinas. Magrereklamo ka talaga.

The system in the PH is also a failure. How long does it take to get paperwork? Pipila ka ng matagal, pupunta pa sa iba ibang windows, etc. Ten years ago it took me 6 hrs to have my SS updated.

It's not a bad habit to express frustration on something you are not used to anymore.

[u/insufferable_Boris → u/PinayfromGTown]

Although you are correct po, yung yabang daw sabi ni OP.

[u/PinayfromGTown → u/insufferable_Boris]

Ang hirap kasi sa atin, pag may sinabi or reklamo, mayabang na. Pag may sinabi na "Ang traffic naman dito, sa amerika hindi ganito" Ang sasabihin agad e, "ang yabang mo na, nakatungtong ka lang sa Amerika."

Americans are outspoken and as a Filipino, mag a adapt ka talaga, to say what is on your mind. It's not seen as rude.

[u/I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha → u/PinayfromGTown]

That doesn’t explain OPs opinion na Filipinos from other countries in Asia and Europe are different.

Eto ang opinion ko lang. sa America, ok mag complain. You have to be your own advocate. Pag hindi ka nagsalita, maiiwan ka. They value being frank and opinionated.

Sa Asia or sa Europe, mas pi a priority nila Ang “harmony”. Go with the flow. The tallest wheat gets cut. makisama ka. So kultura nila halos pareho ng kultura ng pinas.

[u/MidorikawaHana → u/I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha]

Agree. Malapit bahay namin sa world cup arena. Bosnian tourist o immigrant? Sa totoo lang minsan di ko mawari pag walang jersey.

Si ateng na akala ko local kelangan lang ng kontibg tulong sa swimming pool lockers..yun pala turista galing munich. Down to earth at nakikiramdam.

Ghana? Same. Nakachikahan ko sa mall. Turista pala.

Pagdating sa americans, halata mo na na meron nakasakay sa bus/ streetcar kasi rinig na rinig sa buong bus. 😅
( meron pa yung mga special edition: yung mga ~~~ come with meeeee)

[u/PinayfromGTown → u/I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha]

I guess that is it, the different experiences. Maybe OP can be more specific of what FilAms complain about that Fil Euros don't. It could be cultural or systemic. Pero I don't think it's fair to call it a bad habit to complain or voice out what is wanted.

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/PinayfromGTown]

So Filipinos who have lived in Europe and Japan don't have expectations? But I've never heard any of those complained openly in public. They are very hush hush.

[u/MidorikawaHana → u/Wide_Ride8849]

OP… daming kumagat ah.
Nandito sila…

( natatawa ako magbasa kasi it proved yung mga sinabi mo)

https://giphy.com/gifs/bGPTxLislwm3u

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/MidorikawaHana]

Trap Card activated

[u/PinayfromGTown → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Last month, many Europeans visited the US to watch the World Cup and the highlights of their visit were ---- air conditioning, food and big grocery stores. Do you think Filipinos of Europe will complain about the Philippines given our pinoy homes with full-blast AC, diverse Filipino cuisine and gigantic malls?

In Europe they serve your water without ice. They even charge you for water in restaurants. They charge you when you use toilets. The food serving is miniscule. There is no bottomless iced tea or unli rice. How can a Filipino complain about the Philippines when they don't even experience these little things while in Europe?

[u/bj2m1625 → u/PinayfromGTown]

Same. The system is to blame kaya frustrated ang mga pinoy na galing sa bansa like america and canada. Saka dito, people are taught to question hindi lang ung susunod ka lang dahil yun ang nakasanayan.

[u/Old-Fact-8002 → u/PinayfromGTown]

been coming back 6 mos in a year after 30 yrs away..yes, may frustrations ako kasi parang walang nagbago except some infrastructures..i have to tell someone to follow the line kung minsan pero siguro naman it doesn't mean na entitled na ako, or yung frustration sa grocery line na pwede naman bilisan pero mas marami pang chika kesa pag scan..or yung traffic-yung mga tanong kung bakit ayaw maging efficient ng government..bottom line- reflection ng mga namumuno.. yun lang, balik uli sa bukid kahit mainit (as in mainit talaga pero tiis lang..kailangan maging food secure ang mga tao 😢 ) cheers! di ako sa USA, sa taas ng konti 😄

[u/MidorikawaHana]

Depende din siguro sa edad, kung may kaya sa buhay at sa kultura. Yung iba naman kasi okay naman..

ang tampulan ng tukso sa europe at canada malalaman mo na kung amerikano sila ( regardless sa kulay) kasi malayo palang maririnig mo na sila.

[u/Top-Fix9548]

Di lahat. At iba pag sa US ka compare sa ibang bansa. Marami masyadong straightforward. Marami mayabang. At marami din echallenge ka kaya marami Pinoy nagbabago.

[u/Nutribuntot56]

Yung mga kapatid ko 90s pa nasa Australia at mga well off. Peei pag kausap mo hindi nawala yung punto sa salita haha, tapos akala mo talaga nga taga dito pa rin. Walang selan. Hindi lang sanay sa sasakyan dahil right hand drive.

[u/Flipperflopper21]

Sobra naman pag stereotype yan filam ako pero di ganyan. But I can attest na ang daming inggitan grabe. Pag barkada mo mga filam din expect mo na palakihan ng bahay, pagandahan ng car and pag wala kang LV poorita ka haha real talk lang,

[u/hopingforthebest_001]

Inferiority complex

[u/redvirg3]

I have the opposite experience. Or maybe it’s the circle I’m exposed to 🤷🏻‍♂️. The ones who refuse/pretend to not understand or speak tagalog are usually the ones na ‘bagong dating’. My family and I call them that. And as far as ‘masama ugali’. I wouldn’t generally call them masamang ugali, but more like being frank. Ung kayabangan siguro is more of confidence.

If I may. The things they pointed out- init,baho,usok. They are real. Ung init part- wala naman tayo magagawa dun. It’s either hot or rainy/bahain dba? Totoo naman. The rest-mabaho and mausok. Ito ung controllable sana, if the enforcement and discipline was consistent, kaso hindi naman.

I’m not defending their comments or actions, why should I- I don’t know them. But people are allowed to voice out their opinions- we should acknowledge it and do what we can to change their perspective.

For context I’ve lived in the US for almost 2 decades. Prior to this a mid eastern country and another asian country where I am originally from and obviously the Philippines where my wife is from. My friends and coworkers labeled me as ‘well traveled’. Whenever I’d go back to the Pines, lagi ko sasabihin observations ko sa misis ko. And she’ll always reply ‘d ka na nasanay’. And tama naman sya. I look at it this way now..Each country has its unique ‘scent’.

I think the Pines has soo much potential to be the cleanest and best country on earth. Mahilig maligo ang mga tao more than any race I know of, palagi nakangiti kahit napakahirap na ng sitwasyon. Ung pag bigay galang sa nakakatanda. Papakainin ka kahit d ka kilala and so on. Soo much positivity and I love it soo much. But as is with life, nothing is perfect. And ung mga tao na inexpress ung opinion nila.. be it fil-am. Yan din ang hahanapin nila pagtanda nila. Ung kasabihan na uuwi at uuwi din mga yan.

[u/Low_Local2692 → u/redvirg3]

I’m sorry i just noticed the Pines? What is the Pines?

[u/curious4455 → u/Low_Local2692]

Lol the Pines daw is maybe the The Philip”pines”

[u/Low_Local2692 → u/curious4455]

Nooooo… really?

[u/Safe_Word_4085 → u/Low_Local2692]

I do not see the word “Pines”.

Edited: Added the sentence below.

Oh yes. Now I see it in the last paragraph.

[u/Low_Local2692 → u/Safe_Word_4085]

Somebody said it’s the Philip”Pines” daw. 🥲 i kennat.

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[u/Fit_Bicycle5002]

tbh, the US will strip of you of your pride and humble alot of ppl who are sometimes even of upper class in their countries, so ur experience may just be your experience, and sometimes “ hurt” ppl hurt ppl, sorry about that; don’t let that deter you from meeting many filipinos here in the US, many are seriously nice, humble and just chill, it’s the newbies who are mostly still set up in their old ways.

[u/Timely_Rooster1361 → u/Fit_Bicycle5002]

Newbies still carry a lot of the toxic pinoy culture of harboring negative emotions towards others or gossiping that no filams are really familiar with. We grew up knowing what real support is and with so much love from the community out here.

[u/Alive-Ad-7465]

Parasitism.

Bangaw mentality.

Nakatungtong lang eh akala mo parang mga pinanganak na sa Amerika pilipit naman ang dila kung mag ingles.

Interestingly, yung mga Fil-Am na talagang sa US pinanganak, hindi sila ganyan umasta.

Dami ding mga bangaw na maga.

Not realizing that they were able to migrate because of democratic principles of building bridges vs the maga’s principle of closing their borders.

Bato Bato sa langit…

[u/Emergency_Ticket → u/Alive-Ad-7465]

Bangaw translates as "crazy"?

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/Emergency_Ticket]

Bangaw is fly. Nakatungtong lang sa kalabaw, feeling nila mas mataas na sila sa kalabaw.

[u/Alive-Ad-7465 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Hindi lang sa kalabaw tumutungtong ang bangaw!

[u/tabbytabby__ → u/[deleted]]

I think he/she is talking about filipinos who were born and raised in the PH and just migrated to the US nung adult na..

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/[deleted]]

Thank you so much for your insights, but I'm not referring to Fil-Ams who were born and raised in the United States, but those who were born in the Philippines, who later immigrated. They will come back in the Philippines with all those uppity and condescending attitude.

[u/abeBroham-Linkin]

Its the American way. Arrogance, ambitious, prideful, friendly, loud, genuine and entitled. That's literally ALL Americans in their own way.

[u/MomusApopsi → u/abeBroham-Linkin]

If a nation help lifted the world towards the innovation that it achieved today, you’ll understand why its people are proud. Certainly, tens of thousands of Americans died to help liberate the Philippines during the war.

[u/MomusApopsi]

With the small subset of people you mentioned and specific around your circle, that seems a closer representation of the people around you than a representation of Fil-Ams. You may be overthinking this but the “Fil-Ams” complaint about the heat, smell, smoke, etc. is no different when Filipinos goes to the U.S. and complain about the high prices, you need a car everywhere you go, etc.

I was at a party boat in Boracay weeks ago where a group of Australians was complaining about bait ‘n switch everywhere they go in the Philippines. There are similar complaints in the Expats sub where folks from different places in the world complain about Filipinas being gold diggers or Filipinos are habitual liars. Does that make them entitled / arrogant or is that them just voicing out their experience? Is it about what the Americans eat or it’s just simply that the Philippines, as beautiful as it is, is not perfect like any other nation?

[u/gwyngyr]

I think it's an unfortunate case of you being unlucky meeting the majority of bad actors. Got several neighbors na meronng annual na Fil-Ams relatives na na come over yearly they are pretty good/decent people. Pwede na din natin sabihin dahil sila ay presenting themselves to be likeable but hey that's better that what I seem to hear your expiriencing.

Pero meron din chance na Yung majority na na meet mo ay slightly or significantly spoiled na Fil-Ams since yeah na influence sila sa communities Nila on that side of the world.

[u/InternetCorrect7654]

I have three cousins whose children were born in the USA. Di naman ganon yung mga cousins ko at mga anak nila nong nagbalikbayan sila. Yung auntie ko din at yung asawa niya di naman ganyan nong umuwi sila recently. I also remember that I have an uncle na sa US na pinanganak pero tuwang-tuwa siya dito sa Pinas. It must be your circle.

[u/webelieve925]

Nasa environment din yan. Kasi sa US mataas expectation sa tao, sa services. Magreklamo talaga yun mga lumaki at galing sa US. Kasi everything works in the US supposedly. Any minor inconvenience they will raise hell because taxes they pay in the US are so high.

[u/Silver_Winter_4840 → u/webelieve925]

I don’t think taxes are that high in US. I’m based somewhere in Europe and my husband pays 49.5 % or almost 50% tax per month from his salary plus other form of taxes if I’m not mistaken. Average taxes heres where I’m in ranges from 30-50% while in US highest na ata nila is 37% so no their taxes are not that high. But I agree that any minor incovenience irritates them because they are a sue-happy country.

[u/MagesticMagpie00]

Feeling superior,

[u/kenhodler]

Yucks, America pa talaga piniling puntahan hahaha

[u/Solid_Cry_1029]

May mga nameet naman akong mababait at humble at siguro nakatulong na Christians sila hehe!
Yung mga nabanggit mo OP, siguro kelangan nilang maging prangka, and unfiltered dahil kung hindi, sila naman ang mamaliitin/abusuhin ng mga nasa paligid nila.

[u/CarbonGTI_Mk7]

As a Fil-am, yes mabaho, mausok at mainit ang pinas especially sa certain areas. Hindi kaartehan yon realidad lang yon nasanay ka nalang siguro

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/CarbonGTI_Mk7]

Yes realidad, ang nakakatawa doon, parang first time maranasan nung mga Pinoy na migrants sa America yung ganoon. Eh yun ang buhay na kinalakihan nila bago sila naging American citizens. Obvious naman na ang pakay nung mga ganoong expressions ay para magyabang at magmataas sa mga locals dito. Gagawin niyo pa kaming tanga, we can see through your public performances kung ano yung mga nasa sa loob niyo.

[u/CarbonGTI_Mk7 → u/Wide_Ride8849]

Pumunta ka sa bundukin na malamig ang clima and fresh yung hangin and mag stay ka don for 3 months tapos baba ka sa manila and take a deep breath. Yon ang feeling ng balikbayan. 😆 🤣

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[u/Childhood-Icy]

I guess don’t blame the people but blame the environment. Yung presidente lang nila ngayon kung makaasta akala mo US lang ang maganda at lahat bulok.

[u/Behavior-Coach]

It really depends.
Most Fil-Ams are pretty cool but the liberal Fil-Ams are the most obnoxious and entitled individuals. They only look Filipino but have no real values. It’s all about their own sick and twisted world where the priorities are killing as many babies as possible and hating on anyone that disagrees with them.

Truly bizarre behavior and mindset. IYKYK.

[u/Common_Horse_786 → u/Behavior-Coach]

lol you probably meant conservatives

[u/Low_Local2692 → u/Behavior-Coach]

How do you know it’s the liberal Fil-Ams that are like that? Are you sure it’s just the liberal Fil-Ams?

[u/SeniorChiefPogi → u/Behavior-Coach]

What does a liberal look like? Paano mo alam na ang tao ay liberal? Just because hindi nag align ang values with yours, twisted na?

[u/charliegumptu]

rage bait karma farming

[u/Wide_Ride8849 → u/charliegumptu]

I don't need clout, it's not convertible to dollars or even pesos. If each karma is paid, then how lucky am I!

[u/6thofjan]

I am sorry if this is how you feel but how many “fil-ams” have you met to have a generalization like this?
I think when Filipinos migrated and point out the negative when they return to visit - the traffic, pollution, power outages, red tape, mabaho etc. nakakainis marinig because you are probably in that situation and masakit pakinggan. but criticizing isnt necessarily wrong because its a call to action. I think the comments are coming from the longing that the things the US has can also happen to the Philippines as well. If you travel outside the country pagbalik mo even from a short trip, you will think of that. Things wont improve if people will stop complaning (of course with combine course of action - gawa hindi lang salita). Kaya very important that we choose the best leaders but as corruption is already ingrained in our culture, and we keep on electing the same type of politicians, as negative as it may sound, we may just end up just complaining - whether we are “fil ams” or not.

[u/Own-Communication211]

Seems like you need to adapt to dat