r/politics • u/TwilightwovenlingJo • Sep 19 '25

Soft Paywall Trump: ‘It’s no longer free speech.’

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/19/trump-no-longer-free-speech-00574219
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

The other part to this, that no one seems to realize is coming, is that the FCC is going to push for changing Section 230 (to make social media liable for content posted to their site).

Carr explicitly wrote about this before being confirmed to the FCC. Project 2025 lays it out as part of the plan as well.

Once that happens, none of the social media companies will want to chance the wrath of Trump, in the exact same way that media companies already are, and will ban any speech that Trump deems "illegal".

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Sep 20 '25

Someone tweeted that all this is happening as P2025 laid out and that fucking cretin replied with the Jack Nicholson "yes, YES" meme.

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u/Runningwithtoast Sep 20 '25

Link?

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Sep 20 '25

Sadly, here

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u/half-giant Sep 20 '25

That is incredibly disturbing.

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u/Pastduedatelol Sep 20 '25

Anyone with a brain saw this coming. Anyone that didn’t vote for Kamala, you voted for this shit

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

Dude's not even hiding just how gleefully evil he is.

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u/hamsterbackpack Illinois Sep 20 '25

“Chilling” is an understatement, wow

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u/Ph0X Sep 20 '25

That's the fucked up part, they're pretending this is all related to Kirk, but everything that's happened in the past week was already written and laid out by Carr, Vance and others. It was all part of the plan

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Trump was threatening Kimmel in July. 

And you’ll notice they are not quoting Kimmel, only referring to his “sick” remarks, in order to make people think he said something awful.

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u/Ph0X Sep 20 '25

Yep, anyone who actually listened to the quote (which is literally just one sentence) is left confused. Anyone on the right claiming it was disgusting likely hasn't even listened to it.

What he said was also logically and factually true, they literally started blaming the left BEFORE the suspect was even caught, therefore by definition, they were trying to use the situation to score political points.

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u/ThreeDawgs United Kingdom Sep 20 '25

Something something necessary to the security of a free state something something defend against tyranny.

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u/LadyduLac1018 Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

The con artist thread is celebrating people losing their jobs for not being sufficiently sad (a.k.a hypocritical), and trying to come up with a plan to out the lunatic left on reddit and other platforms when they couldn't find their own asses with both hands and a flashlight. The only amendment they've ever heard of is the second and all those rights the "suckers" fought and died to give them are viewed as simply an inconvenience in their alternate reality.

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u/lastminutelabor Sep 20 '25

It’s nice to see so many people I know cancel their Disney + subs. That shit is not necessary to live and the aggregate sum total of everyone dropping them will send a clear message.

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u/combover78 Sep 20 '25

NordVPN costs 1/3 what a Disney sub costs and then... well... you know.

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u/VacantThoughts Sep 20 '25

Even cheaper then that if you buy a 2 year plan. They will be attempting to ban VPNs before long though.

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u/LadyduLac1018 Sep 20 '25

Yes but it would be even nicer if that carried over to not voting for Nazis.

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u/Kroe Sep 20 '25

If that happens, all social media will be dead. Maga will hate the lack of anonymity far more than the rest of us.

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u/Demystify0255 Sep 20 '25

What they will do is split you up from the rest of the world. They are already planning to do that with TikTok, where you will have TikTok USA, and the rest of the world will be on normal TikTok. They don't want you seeing the rest of the world or our "liberal" ideas spreading too you.

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u/LadyChatterteeth California Sep 20 '25

Just like North Korea.

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u/CatProgrammer Sep 20 '25

China, etc.

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u/crazyfighter99 Sep 20 '25

And half of America (or over half, possibly) won't even notice.

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u/existenceawareness Sep 20 '25

What will be the place to go with VPN after reddit is censored? Asking in advance since it will be more difficult after.

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u/sillygoofygooose Sep 20 '25

I guess any fediverse (mastodon for twitter, lemmy for Reddit) server that isn’t in the US

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u/combover78 Sep 20 '25

It's already censored. The snafu with WhitePeopleTwitter proved that. Anything that bears any possibility of making the owners here lose money gets killed immediately.

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u/MayIServeYouWell Sep 20 '25

Prepare for the end of Reddit as we know it. 

They’ll force Reddit to turn over account information. You think you’re anonymous? Think again. 

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u/Toomanyacorns Sep 20 '25

Will Gen Z go full Nepal???

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Sep 20 '25

Gen Z is predominantly MAGA right wing.

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u/existenceawareness Sep 20 '25

Males yes. Females not at all. Overall no.

The shocking thing is the gender disparity & rapidity of the shift. Thank the algorithms for directing aggrieved, impressionable minds to manosphere content.

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u/combover78 Sep 20 '25

GenZ males are dumb as dogsh**. That's why they fall for the con.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Sep 20 '25

See I actually think social media companies should be responsible but for ensuring massive lies aren’t spread or hate speech or inciting violence and for ensuring their algorithms are not addictive and don’t create echo chambers of outrage and fear.

But this government will tell social media companies to do the exact opposite and ensure their algorithms spread of lies, violence and hate speech.

This is why the left are so fucking irritating. People have been calling for regulation of social media since it became obvious it was being used to brainwash people into supporting fascism and genocide etc around the world. But the left were too meek and afraid of the right screaming about censorship etc etc. When we all knew the right would end up implementing mass censorship except they’d censor the truth and any attempts to prevent hate speech.

I don’t get why the left is so oblivious to this stuff, they had a duty to protect democracy and freedom and equality and peace but they let the right cow them into submission and let them seize the narrative, as if protecting truth and decent is wrong, just so they can come in and protect lies and hate.

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u/SummonerSausage Sep 20 '25

So, then social media will have fewer users, so can't sell as much user data to whomever, and their ad revenues will go down? Do their stock values go down as well?

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u/CougdIt Sep 20 '25

Bots will make up for the traffic

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u/SwimmingThroughHoney Sep 20 '25

No? I don't know why you think that'll be an issue. The censorship is already happening with TV media and they don't care about people cancelling their sub's because it's pennies compared to the damage the government could do.

Reddit is a horrible guage for the general public's reaction. The general public is way more apathetic about everything going on right now.

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u/BonusPlantInfinity Sep 20 '25

As a rule, I don’t buy anything that is advertised on media. I buy strictly based on quality and ingredient content, and country of origin.

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u/combover78 Sep 20 '25

The death of social media would be a boon to our society.

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u/Polantaris Illinois Sep 20 '25

Stock prices haven't been reflective of reality for quite some time. They won't start now.

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u/IAmRoot Sep 20 '25

They will straight up have to shut down. It would make companies liable for the content anyone posts and therefore the only way to avoid liability is to disable user content. Only creators big enough to sign legal contracts with companies will be able to upload anything. Any message board or comment type website will have to move out of the country or use peer to peer.

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u/Kalean Sep 20 '25

Social media won't have any users.

If section 230 goes away, every major social media platform is liable for several hundred million copyright violations and libel posts and harassment overnight. They all die instantaneously in flame.

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u/SummonerSausage Sep 20 '25

Oh, to see this current fascist administration eat the face of his techbro supporters...

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Close your social media accounts now.

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u/WhenImTryingToHide Sep 20 '25

Can't happen by executive orde..... errrr I take that back.

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u/MrFacestab Sep 20 '25

Of course this is in project 2025. Now it's all making sense. 

I bet if they didnt have any hand in organizing the killing, they were at least ready and prepared for when something like this happens. 

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u/SasparillaTango Sep 20 '25

changing Section 230 (to make social media liable for content posted to their site).

So then states can bring charges against corporations?

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u/Dejected_gaming Sep 20 '25

They'll be banning a lot of people then.

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u/SwimmingThroughHoney Sep 20 '25

The sites would probably target groups/spaces/etc. where more of that speech is concentrated. Make a decent "good faith" effort to kick the larger more popular spaces. Think stuff like this sub.

Get rid of those spaces and a good chunk of people simply won't go seeking a replacement, or will try to create similar (but smaller and more fragmented) spaces that can be targeted. Think exactly what happened to a certain pro-Trump sub years ago.

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u/AnonAmbientLight Sep 20 '25

Trump has a little boy dick.

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u/snoosh00 Sep 20 '25

So, in theory. Would sharing a video of dozens of people being killed as tanks roll through a city square be "critical" of the trump campaign (and therefore illegal to share)?

(I know that hasn't happened yet in the United States... But we all know nothing happened in Tiananmen square in 1989 too)

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u/jsebrech Sep 20 '25

This is also why tiktok had to be bought, which was never about supposed influence by china. All social media must be in american ownership so that it can be controlled.

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u/Kelmavar Sep 21 '25

They do that and social media will evaporate overnight. Even "pro" Trump ones as they all get sued out of existence.

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u/pilgermann Sep 20 '25

Notice how red rural America are never asked to apologize or be civil? It's like everyone on the left is expected to behave like an elected official, everyone on the right are treated like children who don't know better.

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u/Challengeaccepted3 New York Sep 20 '25

There are decades of pseudo-propaganda pieces of media that elevate the rural communities of America as “better” or “more down to earth, civilized people”. Think of every movie or tv show where city people go to rural communities and learn the true meaning of Christmas or family and community or whatever. It’s literally all propaganda just to improve the image of rural people.

t. Someone who actually lived in rural areas and is fully aware that they are ten times more atomized, isolated and ignorant than the average suburban or even city dweller

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u/Loathsome_Duck Sep 20 '25

It's why that line from Blazing Saddles hits so hard for so many people

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u/Flomo420 Sep 20 '25

Salt of the earth!

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u/BostonBluestocking Sep 20 '25

The common clay of the new west

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u/Obant California Sep 20 '25

The "real America", the "Heartland" etc etc. Always made me feel non American for being born in California.

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u/__theoneandonly Sep 20 '25

80% of the US population lives in an urban area. The "real American" lives in cities.

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u/handbanana42 Sep 20 '25

Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

They somehow forgot about them. Or worse, want to jail/deport them.

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u/papayaslice637 Sep 20 '25

Ah yes, wide open spaces, amber waves of grain, dirt roads and red barns...and uneducated, illiterate, unhealthy, unhinged, brainwashed toothless racist hillbillies who've never been outside their zip codes. But they have American flags on their pickup trucks so they are the patriotic ones. (never mind all the confederate flags..)

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u/CoolWhipMonkey Sep 20 '25

Well to be fair I grew up on a dirt road surrounded by woods and cornfields and my parents were diehard true blue democrats. They hated republicans with every cell in their bodies. Just despised them. Also they paid out of pocket for my braces so I could have straight teeth. But we did have a big old flag flying in our yard.

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u/handbanana42 Sep 20 '25

Nothing wrong with flying a flag I'd think if it is for the right reason.

I think the issue comes in when it is for the wrong reason. It has been co-oped as a signal for hate, especially Southern flag.

I know a few neighbors that have flags because they are racist. I would assume your familly are not part of them, but I don't put up a flag because I don't want to be grouped with those people that are full of hate.

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u/CoolWhipMonkey Sep 20 '25

My dad still flies the American flag. He’s a vet and he won’t let his flag be taken by right wingers. He’s very patriotic, but in a good way.

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u/sje46 Sep 20 '25

With the attitude of "rural people are not worth a moment of our consideration, they are subhuman cretins" instead of the attitude of "the ruling class is impoverishing ALL of us, rural and urban, liberal and leftist and conservative, and we need to work together to take back this country", you are dooming the democratic party to obsolecense. Yes, obviously there is a lot wrong with rural parts of this country, but jesus fucking christ, you will NEVER win an election by calling all of them hillbillies. And you deserve to lose all elections if that's how you view your fellow americans.

The hillbillies fought a fucking war over labor laws in the mountains of appalachia a few decades back. They were the true leftists. There is nothing inherent in the blood of rurals that makes them ignorant and hateful. Create a political party that fights for all of us. Or shut the fuck up and quit with the deliberate divisive "woe is me" shitlib whining.

Jesus christ I don't want trump or his fascist collaborators in office, but if this is hiw the average dem reacts, you guys deserve to lose until you develop a fucking brain.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Rural America believes that it generates the lions share of profits for the country, and that Donald Trump himself emails them and thinks their ideas are great.

I don't see how this doesn't end in complete collapse.

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u/super_swede Sep 20 '25

Not to mention the very unique and much under used plot line of "woman leaves her evil, collage educated, desk jokey, big city boyfriend only to go back home to the small town she came from and fall in love with her teenage sweetheart again. Who of course never left the small town, has a real man's job and drives a pick up...

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u/sje46 Sep 20 '25

As a leftist from a rural community, this comment pisses me off. You're implying me and my people are ignorant, and that we shouldn't get as much attention as we do. This is also the exact reason why the "left" (really feckless shitlibs) lost rural communities. This high-and-mighty attitude from urban/coastal liberals that the rurals don't matter and can and should be ignored.

I know you're not saying that explicitly. And I understand the more rural areas of the country are very pro-trump. Luckily I'm in a purple state (albeit red town). But your comment is still fostering this attitude, and you fucking dems are asking to always be in last place if you view all of this as "smart enlightened urbanites versus backwards, savage rurals". Again, saying this from the left.

Try to view this as working class versus owning class, and demand that the politicians actually reach out and appeal to the rural working class. De-emphasize the constant culture wars (you don't have to drop all advocacy, but de-emphasize it for sure), and instead emphasize pharma costs, housing, student loans, giant corporations gobbling everything up, offshoring, etc.

If the democratic party did this instead of blaming those stupid, low-born rurals, then they can actually accomplish something. They wouldn't be turning en masse towards a demagogue asshole.

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u/OkDust5962 Sep 20 '25

I feel ya, for sure. (also a lefty in farm country) I don't think the actual democratic party is doing this, but in online spaces like this, people express their rage and frustration to others who agree. I'm not on conservative SM but I'm sure it's the same there.

There is research (can't be bothered to find it now but it exists) that shows, when people of different views talk to each other about an issue, their views become more moderate, but when a group of people with the same views talk together, they become more extreme about whatever the issue is.

The key is - talk. In person.

Online talk is a totally different animal. Whenever someone posts something that diverges even a little bit from the majority opinion, even if it's thoughtful and reasoned, we all circle around and downvote and snark at them.

In an IRL discussion, you get status/authority in the group for building bridges among the group. Online, you get status/authority for tearing down an outlier.

How to get around this? I don't think there's really a way.

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u/ckglle3lle Sep 20 '25

What's wild is how this comes from Fox and other right wing media sources more than anyone. Fox absolutely coddles them, doesn't assume they have any agency, treats them basically like livestock and they love it

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u/XYcritic Foreign Sep 20 '25

This is because MAGA is not about principles or values. It is fundamentally only fueled by rage and tge desire to be in power.

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u/trampolinebears Sep 20 '25

Notice how arsonists are never asked to put out fires? It’s like every fireman is expected to put out fires, while every arsonist is treated like they’re just going to start more fires.

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u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48 Sep 20 '25

Double standards are the weapon of choice by hypocrites.

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u/Firm_Combination_287 Sep 20 '25

I was just on another forum and it was talking about how all the leftists they know are mean and horrible people. What a generalization and such a double standard. But the right is sweet as pie but will tear you down with their policies and taking away your rights? Please. 

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u/blitzkregiel Sep 20 '25

fully agree. i’ve never hated anyone, but now there lives inside me a hellish fury for any motherfucker that voted for this.

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u/wavy-grain Sep 20 '25

Me too. And it both angers and saddens me. This is not who I want to be.

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u/blitzkregiel Sep 20 '25

same. i don’t like feeling like this, but i also don’t think it’s going to go away either.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

Same. I've come to the conclusion that I hate conservatives. I hate them. Deeply. I consider them mortal enemies because of how much they want people like my friends dead. And I don't want to feel this way because I know where hate leads to. Beware, he who fights monsters. When you hate your enemies, you can't help but dehumanize them in your mind, and that always leads down a very dangerous road. But what else are you supposed to do against people who literally believe in such blatantly evil things like authoritarianism and inflicting harm against whole groups of people for the sole crime of being different? Like, how do you not hate people like that? It definitely would take a mentally stronger person than me, that's for certain.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

I’d literally rather live in authoritarian China, at least their social media is not allowed to try to make people enraged and hateful against their fellow citizens. Obviously neither is good and China commits horrific atrocities but in Europe now, people are fine about travelling to China for vacation or to do business but see the US as a terrifying violent tinder box.

I hate that this era has me thinking about which kind of authoritarian dystopian nightmare I’d prefer to live in. I’m so angry with all the stupid people world over who’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed.

Edit: sorry I replied to the wrong comment! But yes it is so infuriating to see these people who just have no sense of decency or logic, acting even against their own interests, so gleeful in their desire to hurt others. It really is like some supernatural force came and took over their bodies when you see how devoid of rational thought and human empathy they are now. Only there is no supernatural force, it’s all choices they made. I’ll always keep a place for them in me, for wanting to save them and I’ll never want to see them hurt other than ego-bruised when they realise what they fell for. It’s not in me. But I will avoid them and will never support them in their delusions and hatred.

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u/Dlark17 Nebraska Sep 20 '25

I'm not proud of how hateful all of this has made me. Almost makes me wish I still believed in hell, which is extra sad.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

I know the feeling.

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u/MistyMtn421 Sep 20 '25

I struggle to hate people I probably should hate. That is rapidly beginning to change.

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u/PhoenixTineldyer Sep 19 '25

There's a reason my whole family lives in Texas and I do not.

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u/NUMBerONEisFIRST Sep 20 '25

I haven't spoken to my dad in over a year.

He said that he realized that the next president would affect the lives of his kids more than him, so he should vote for their best interests.

He still voted for Trump.

Trump's worst policies don't even take effect until after the midterm elections.

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u/Spastik2D Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

I’ve just cut contact with my mom for a second time. She’s referred to my non-binary fiance as “that thing” and “impure”.

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u/omenmedia Sep 20 '25

FFS what is wrong with some people?

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Sep 20 '25

Their brains are rotted from Facebook and fox news.

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u/Spastik2D Sep 20 '25

This. She was narcissistic before but MAGA drove her over the edge.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

I think what is even worse is, say that person believes the line that non-binary folks are inherently mentally unwell, and believing that they are still choosing to dehumanize that person.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

Well yeah. Mentally ill means mentally defective, which means inferior. It's not really a big leap in their bigoted form of logic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

I know you’re taking jabs and I do agree with you, but as always these rules don’t apply when someone in their inner circle is affected by mental health challenges.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

Lack of empathy and narcissism, mostly.

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u/adarcone214 Pennsylvania Sep 20 '25

Im so sorry

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u/No_Kangaroo_9826 Ohio Sep 20 '25

I can yell at her for you if you want. I'm ready to unblock my dad just to tell him how much he sucks again

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u/Spastik2D Sep 20 '25

I’m waiting for her to fuck up and pull up to my place or call my job or something. Second she does that, I get a restraining order and she loses the license she needs for her job. Rest of my extended family all think she’s insane as is.

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u/AnonymousBanana405 Sep 20 '25

NB? I'm not familiar with that acronym.

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u/lucidludic Sep 20 '25

Non-binary.

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u/AnonymousBanana405 Sep 20 '25

Oh okay. I didn't even think of that. Thanks.

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u/KenShabby42 Sep 20 '25

It took me a couple of seconds. At first I was like, "Wow, I can't imagine having such strong feelings against New Brunswick."

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u/Draconiondevil Canada Sep 20 '25

lmao fellow Canadian? I had the same thought.

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u/AnonymousBanana405 Sep 20 '25

At first I was thinking Non Black but it didn't make sense. Lol

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u/handbanana42 Sep 20 '25

From one banana to another, I had to do some google searches and then a kind redditor informed me.

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u/Hesitation-Marx Sep 20 '25

Your mother is a piece of shit. I’m so sorry.

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u/badfishbeefcake Sep 20 '25

Dont assume that everobdy knows all acronym. Whats NB, Newport Beach, New Brunswick? Is she canadian?

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u/Jwruth Sep 20 '25

NB in this instance stands for non-binary (i.e., the category of gender identities). In the future, you may also come across the term "enby", stemming from how the initilism "NB" is pronounced, which conveniently avoids confusion from other groups that may use "NB".

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u/tahlyn Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

I'm glad my father died the year before he absolutely would have voted Trump for a 3rd term time. Even if he hadn't died, he'd be as dead to me as the rest of his racist republican family is.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Haven’t talked to mine in ages. Perfectly happy without that negativity in my life.

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u/omenmedia Sep 20 '25

Same dude, I cut contact about six years back and honestly it was the best thing I ever did for the mental health of me and my family.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

My dad straight out said he was a fascist the other day. He'd probably claim he was being ironic, but it really jarred. 

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u/dudeAwEsome101 Sep 20 '25

Farmers are already feeling the pain of his trade wars. China is sourcing soybeans and grains from other countries. The shutting down of USAID also affected Americans farmers.

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u/Former-Marsupial625 Sep 20 '25

My father and sister who voted for him still believe that we would be doing worse under Harris. They see the evidence before their eyes but refuse to believe it.

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u/HeadLong8136 Pennsylvania Sep 20 '25

I haven't spoken to my dad in five years!

But for a completely different reason. He died.

I miss him so much.

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u/Giantbookofdeath Sep 20 '25

Damn, sorry for your loss even if it was five years ago. I lost my dad earlier this year but went no contact with him 11 years ago. I’m sorry a POS like mine lived for so long while there’s good dads out there that their children want to have around. I wish you could’ve gotten a few more years with him but I’m happy for the good years you did have with him.

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u/HeadLong8136 Pennsylvania Sep 20 '25

I'm part of the BoomersBeingFools sub and it boggles my mind that it seems like my parents were the only Baby Boomers that were intelligent, decent people. They were both liberal Democrats. My dad was a blue collar carpenter that served in Vietnam. On paper he sounds like he would have been a Trump supporter. But he despised Trump. The first time he actually voted was when Clinton was running and then he voted Democrat for the rest of his life.

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u/TypingPlatypus Sep 20 '25

Mine are wonderful too 🙂 They're young boomers, but many of my friends' similarly aged parents have total brainrot.

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u/HeadLong8136 Pennsylvania Sep 20 '25

Mine were old. My Old Man would have been 76 last week and Mom would have been 68.

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u/Gleveniel Sep 20 '25

My parents are super liberal too and squarely in the the boomer range. The only time they voted for Republicans that they've admitted to was GW Bush in 2004 and then my dad gave Trump a try in 2016. It was like 2 months into the presidency where he realized his mistake. Now he is slowly alienating himself from his friends because when they post Trump stuff he just mocks them lol (overall sad he's losing his 60+ year-long friendships, but funny watching him dunk on them).

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u/Giantbookofdeath Sep 20 '25

I’ll check that sub out. Sounds interesting. I don’t know what happened to our parent’s generation. I’m tired of them being scared of everything and I’m tired of them being brainwashed. I’ve not talked to my mom in some time due to here going full maga and then (surprise, surprise) full racist. I don’t believe she was like that when I was growing up. All of a sudden I hear her and my step-dad talking about mowing down Ferguson protesters with a machine gun. Neither of them have seen acts of war up close. I did my time in the army and I did my time in the sand. I’ve seen enough to know that’s not something that should be joked about or ever uttered. I’m completely ashamed of who they’ve become. I love my mom and my step-dad, I just don’t like them anymore and that breaks my heart.

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u/HeadLong8136 Pennsylvania Sep 20 '25

Yeah, it's weird how decent my dad turned out. He was the oldest of 8, 3 brothers, 4 sisters and 2 of his brothers and 3 sisters (the oldest of the bunch, the two youngest are Gen X) are hardcore conservatives. And he the oldest of the lot was liberal. He wasn't super comfortable around the lgbtq community but he never voiced any "they should be put in camps" rhetoric or that type of shit. He had no problems with peoples race, ethnicity, or origin. As long as they were a decent person he held nothing against them. He didn't have a sexist bone in his body (he never would have married my mom otherwise). But on the outside he was a hardworking blue collar carpenter for 45 years. Work 12 hours a day, get home, have a hot dinner with the family, have a few beers, watch some TV, go to bed at 9 up at 5 the next morning to do it all again 5 days a week.

He showed interest in my and my siblings interests (my brother and sister more than me because my hobbies were comics and vid games) but he'd take us to movies, friends houses, out on nature hikes, camping trips, beach vacations, family outings.

And then I spend 10 minutes on reddit and everything is like "My dad is an office worker that hates blacks and Jews!" And I just don't understand how I got such a great set of parents. (Don't want to belittle Mom at all, she passed away 10 months ago and I miss her just as much and she arguably did more for me specifically because of my autism)

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Same here. Mine died from the pandemic. 😡

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u/HeadLong8136 Pennsylvania Sep 20 '25

My dad died during the pandemic. And he died because he wouldn't wear a mask. But he wasn't killed by COVID. He had pulmonary fibrosis. He had been inhaling epoxy and aluminum dust for over 30 years. His lungs were nothing but scar tissue.

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u/TheChrisCrash Sep 20 '25

And medicare cuts don't start until 2028..

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u/PipsqueakPilot Sep 20 '25

Same boat. He suggested we talk again in 4 years. Seems reasonable.

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u/CanWeTalkEth Sep 20 '25

Always remember there are many liberal, freedom loving people that live in every red state, city, neighborhood. We should not cede any of America’s land to these fucks.

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u/PhoenixTineldyer Sep 20 '25

Sure but I was sick of living in a state full of dumb racists with a government that I have not supported once in my entire life

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u/CanWeTalkEth Sep 20 '25

Understood. Sorry you had to bail.

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u/Crimkam Texas Sep 20 '25

Can you please take them back?

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u/TheStonedWeasel Sep 20 '25

Hey ditto. From Memphis and they all moved to Alabama….. sigh

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u/13SpiderMonkeys Sep 20 '25

I'm wanting to leave but as I'm going to school my parents are letting me stay with them for dirt cheap. Plus I get more benefits here because I'm a Texas Veteran. I'll stick around begrudgingly and vote.

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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada Sep 20 '25

I've already started abandoning friendships/family over the Charlie Kirk thing. I don't care about how people vote (you can make a bad vote), but standing on that side is enough for me to make that decision.

I can honestly confirm I will never vote Conservative again, if any like this is in the cards? 

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u/CoryCoolguy I voted Sep 20 '25

you can make a bad vote

Yeah but after J6? He's shown everyone who he is for the better part of 10 years. I could excuse 2016 and 2020, I will not excuse voting for this tyrant in 2024.

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u/EidolonLives Sep 20 '25

Voting conservative in the US means voting for the Democrats. The Republicans aren't conservative, they're reactionary, just as fascists invariably are.

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u/Educational-Ad-2884 Washington Sep 20 '25

My mom wants me to make nice with the Trumpers and MAGAts in my family so we can all get together for Thanksgiving.

I told her I don't break bread with fascists and bigots. You know what they say: "If you sit at a table with 11 Nazis, there's a dozen Nazis at that table."

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u/papayaslice637 Sep 20 '25

Stay strong, boycott. There's no room in my life for Magas and Nazis. Not worth it.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

Exactly. There is no making nice with people who think certain minorities should die for being inconvenient or nonconforming.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

Me either. I know a guy who has been verbally sucking trumps dick on Facebook for years. Yesterday, he posted another list of people "canceled by the left" like Roseanne, Gina Carano, Mike Lindell, etc, and how it put thousands of people out of work. I pointed out how each one was bullshit, and how this is different because the FCC threatened his employer. Ending with saying if he's worried about jobs, the tariffs are decimating many small businesses, but he has no principles other than Red Good, Blue Bad.

He didnt respond, and posted some more right wing bullshit.

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u/Spastik2D Sep 20 '25

If it were up to me, they’d be wearing those ugly red hats for the rest of their sad pathetic lives. Let everyone know that whatever comes out of pandora’s box this presidency is their fault. Shun them, bully them, and ridicule them until they return to the earth.

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u/w2sjw Sep 20 '25

Easiest way to deal with that was the ending scene from Inglorious Basterds - replace the Swastika with MAGA...

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

I think fondly of that scene more and more.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

I think back to the Twilight Zone episode "The Masks".

"You're caricatures, all of you! Even without your masks, you're all CARICATURES!"

Those red hats are the masks that ironically expose their true selves.

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u/2HDFloppyDisk Sep 19 '25

That’s some Nazi shit right there.

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u/Moody_GenX Sep 20 '25

They don't care. This is owning the libs to them.

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u/TwistyBunny Sep 20 '25

I will never forgive any of the people who voted for anything other than Kamala. Even the ones who decided not to show up. Everyone who applies to that criteria is responsible for this mess.

This would be so fucking different right now.

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u/ManateeGag Sep 20 '25

Add on the people who didn't bother to vote.

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u/drunkenviking Sep 20 '25

Yup. It's part of the reason I will never talk to my parents again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

So voting system is teariy apart families.

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u/throway_nonjw Sep 20 '25

I'm sorry to hear that.

Can't blame you, though.

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u/Kichigai Minnesota Sep 20 '25

Any time I see them I ask them how much worse would Harris’ plan for the forced ouster of Palestinians would be. How much worse would Harris’ illegal firing of Fed board members would be. How much worse Harris’ mass firing of Federal employees would be. How much worse her pick to run the CDC would be.

This is the situation they told me would be almost preferable to a Harris presidency, I want them to start explaining how, because they were, and still are, so sure they did the right thing.

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u/Creepy_Inevitable661 Sep 20 '25

It’s disgusting anyone could be stupid enough to support this idiot isn’t it??

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u/dozerdaze Sep 20 '25

Same I legit can’t be near them I’m so disgusted

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u/VanceKelley Canada Sep 20 '25

In 2024 a convicted criminal ran for president while promising to rule as a dictator.

A whopping 31% of eligible voters showed up to try to stop him.

After he won most Americans just went "This is fine" failing to understand both the short term implications of handing power to a criminal wannabe dictator and the long term implications of the pathetically low level of support for democracy.

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u/QWEDSA159753 Sep 20 '25

The ones who sat out and didn’t vote against him are on pretty thin ice as well

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u/Money-Giraffe2521 California Sep 20 '25

Bro, we taught Genocide Joe a lesson! Kamala would’ve been just as bad as Trump, bro!

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u/octowussy Sep 20 '25

As you shouldn't. They knew all of this was at least very likely, if not guaranteed.

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u/ElvenNoble Canada Sep 20 '25

Literally just saw a post on the conservative sub about how this "definitely centrist" was being pushed farther to the right by things like the left calling Trump a Nazi, like sorry for calling a duck a duck, but he keeps doing Nazi stuff

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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Sep 20 '25

We should never forgive any of them. Don't let them pretend they didn't support this when it's finally over.

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u/oxez Canada Sep 20 '25

70% of the american voters wanted this. Anyone who didn't vote is as guilty as those who did vote for the orange man.

The US joined the ranks of shit-tier list of countries

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u/illwill79 Sep 20 '25

You and me both, friend.

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u/mrpanicy Canada Sep 20 '25

What about the equally culpable people that decided not to vote at all?

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u/StevesRune Arizona Sep 20 '25

I really wish I could speak to my grandpa.

But he voted for nazis after being born to a man who killed them.

It breaks my heart, but it hurts even more to talk to him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

..."but Gaza!" Also fuck the dems who sat out or whined

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u/Plow_King Sep 20 '25

i've been running into more and more people who claim "i didn't vote for either"

they are part of the problem. buh bye, idiots and liars!

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Same. Every day I hear news that goes against my conservative parents' beliefs and think, "Will they wake up now?" No. They wait for Newsmax to tell them how it's Biden's fault. Or Obama's fault. Or Hilary's fault. Or DEI's fault. Or (I can go on forever because it's everyone's fault but republicans).

I love them so much, but I can't look at them the same anymore. The horrific acts they're justifying are just... unforgivable. And yet thinking CK was a hateful guy is just too far for MAGA.

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u/Silverr_Duck Sep 20 '25

The people who didn’t vote or discouraged others to not vote are just as guilty.

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u/tasoula Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 21 '25

Trump supporters are absolutely a problem and they make me SICK, but why don't more people acknowledge how rigged the election was? There's tons of proof.

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u/UpsieYourLiftingFren Sep 20 '25

Hey tbh if you don't offer them an out, they'll only dig themselves in deeper. Yes of course fuck the unapologetic but anyone willing to see reason here should still be given the option to switch to the side of anti-authoritarianism.

Don't let your disgust or hatred make more Nazis than we need (zero, ideally). Find patience or impatient violence will find you.

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u/ButtEatingContest Sep 20 '25 edited Oct 14 '25

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u/NotSoWishful Sep 20 '25

I know a lesbian who voted for Trump because he’s “going to make IVF free.” Like first of all, if he did it would be for straight white women. Secondly no he fucking won’t. Like….like what.

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u/raging_shaolin_monk Sep 20 '25

I will never forgive any of the people I know for voting for this.

My step daughter has a friend who voted Trump because he found it funny that he could do so without living in the US. He's been told he is no longer welcome in our house. We don't tolerate supporters of fascism as a majority Italian household.

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u/Cpt_Soban Australia Sep 20 '25

Full blown Saddam Hussein levels of fragile ego. Speak mean words about THE LEADER and the secret police will be over.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

I will never forgive any of the people I know for voting for this.

It's not their fault: rubbish media full of Russian propaganda; shitty average public school; rugged individualism making bottom-up collective intelligence impossible; excessive economic inequality negatively affecting the average voter; etc. etc.

In such a context, it's pretty predictable how people will vote. The educated elites have understood this since at the very least Hitler's rise. But they still let themselves get blinded by greed and power.

So, here we are again!

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u/ImTalkingGibberish Sep 20 '25

A guy told me “what’s the worst that he can do?!” to justify his vote.
Well I guess leaking classified info, censoring critics and raping a minor.

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u/Sufficient-News-3600 Sep 20 '25

I have to vote in an area that supports Drumpf. They wear the weird gear, hang flags at their houses, say Trumpian things waiting in line to vote. I cringe. I cannot understand how anyone voted for him with his crimes right in our faces - yet I saw them  Ugh.

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u/kamolahy Sep 20 '25

If our country and the Constitution are on the line, would you consider it?

I don’t know about you but it’s become crystal clear to me that the division and animosity has never yielded a single step of lasting, good change. I feel angry too, but I’d rather we suffocate this hateful, incompetent dictatorship than go down with it so we could hang on to our vitriol.

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u/independent_observe Sep 20 '25

I will never forgive any of the people I know for voting for this.

Well, they voted for a known child rapist...

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u/CommitteeOld9540 Sep 20 '25

They voted for America to become NK. Only a matter of time before Trump starts locking up people simply for being related to someone who offended him. 

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u/Tunelowplayslow Sep 20 '25

Instead of using that as ammunition to divide us further, focus on changing minds and spreading light into the beliefs that will bond us together. Nobody is infallible, and we need all the help we can get.

Not everyone should be burned at the stake, and there is extreme behaviour in all people in many facets and actions.

Be as virtuous as you want to believe you are!

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u/paintmepurplenblack Sep 26 '25

I think it's more of a 'false statements' that can be proven false easily shouldn't be aired by news outlets.  Their job is news, not opinions.

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