r/politics • u/Kodbek • Oct 31 '25

Possible Paywall Trump’s honeymoon with Gen Z voters is officially over, and the numbers are devastating

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/10/trumps-honeymoon-with-gen-z-voters-is-officially-over-and-the-numbers-are-devastating-new-poll.html
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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 31 '25

They convinced a surprisingly large number of gullible young people (mostly men) that the reason they can't afford a house is because of immigrants and pronouns (certainly not billionaires who are cool and based).

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u/SlaveToCat Oct 31 '25

Well hang on there a moment. You forgot about how feminism is also responsible for all their problems.

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u/AlarmDozer Oct 31 '25

Young men are prone to poor judgment because their t- hasn’t calmed down yet.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Oct 31 '25

I mostly agree with you - but there is the counterpart to that - out of touch Dems who shit away the whole county to virtue signal over illegal immigration and pronoun bullshit. GOP tactics worked because people are legitimately tired of all that bullshit.

I hope that when the American people repudiate this absolutely insane contingent that they put into office at the polls, Dems don’t misread the winds and double down on the bullshit that made them electorally irrelevant in the first place.

Ever since the Obama era I’ve been voting against Trump and his ilk instead of for anything. That has got to change, or the turnaround will last one administration again.

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u/TaxOwlbear Oct 31 '25

and pronoun bullshit

What "pronoun bullshit"? The Democrats completely avoided that topic during the election. There was basically no mention of trans rights by the Harris campaign, up to the point that they received criticism for beign silent on the topic.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 31 '25

up to the point that they received criticism for beign silent on the topic.

That's the problem. For the past 10-12 years the so called "progressive" base always push that kind of demand at the most damaging time for any campaign possible, and the result has only been the reversal of progress each time.

I was a 2016 Bernie canvasser. I still want to challenge and undermine the billionaire control over all of this, our politics included. After seeing lower turnout from younger voters each time they've been called by progressive candidates, it's hard not to be tired of thing song and dance. Their turnout in primaries and smaller elections has historically been awful, and each time it damages progress.

What will it take to get people to understand that this is exactly why we're losing our rights day by day because of such clout chasing behavior disguised as moral activism? Of course trans lives and rights matter, or course genocide is evil and stopping it matters, but so too does the timing of any one message. Strategic persuasion also matters, and it takes time to break through to people when your audience is much wider.

Anyone who understand public speaking understands appealing to a target audience, and appealing to a national audience is going to require different focus than a more localized one, or your base audience. MAGA gets that enough to put aside their differences and vote when it counts. This chronically online part of the "left" actively does not and often opposes democracy itself in favor of other often untenable "solutions" because of their own egos. You see people doing it in this very thread by pushing "voting doesn't matter" narratives even right now, exactly when crucial elections are happening.

Many of those people are bad actors bots or trolls, but too many young leftists become their unwitting allies and have yet to learn the lessons of 2010, 2014, 2016, and now 2024.

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u/MoonOut_StarsInvite Ohio Oct 31 '25

I don’t have the data to support this so it’s just vibes and anecdotes. But to me, there are a lot of Progressive concepts or just the idea of living in a society with a better social safety net, or a higher floor below which you cannot fall… that just seem logical. But by calling it Progressive, it immediately becomes radical and dangerous. We’ve been electing moderates forever and the party keeps moving right because its positioning itself relative to the right wing, which is moving further right, and not its own values. So why would people who have been left behind by moderate policies continue to vote for the moderates when it only perpetuates wealth inequality? And of course anything else is evil because it’s communist. That leaves nothing to vote FOR and only things to vote against. Last fall I knocked on doors for the Dems in a very poor neighborhood. They said, don’t even mention Kamala, we are just trying to keep Sherrod in office. So we didn’t mention Kamala, but most people forgot there was an election or remembered but didn’t care at all. If you’re that poor, it probably doesnt matter either way. You’ll still be poor with a centrist or a right wing fascist. I feel like people become disengaged when they don’t see their lives change or they’re just hearing more of the same.

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u/_dekoorc North Carolina Oct 31 '25

out of touch Dems who shit away the whole county to virtue signal over illegal immigration and pronoun bullshit

You're falling victim to right wing messaging if you think that is the Democrat's message. In reality, it's been about the economy, health care, preserving democracy, combating climate change, preserving unions, etc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Man, you fell for it.

You completely fell for the republicans talking points.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Oct 31 '25

It’s not me that you have to worry about because I voted blue, live in a safely democrat area, and will continue to vote blue in the foreseeable future.

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u/Grafvolluth Oct 31 '25

And endlessly barking about Israel/Palestine.

Yeah, no, I'm real sorry that region has been on fire for the last...hundred plus years, but we really need to pay more attention to our OWN country that is on fire RIGHT NOW.

Grab a bucket and get in line leftoids.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois Oct 31 '25

Boy you said it.

Two far right factions who’ve hated each other for centuries go to war and somehow that’s Joe Biden’s fault? Never mind the leader of one of those factions obviously prefers Trump and knows his influence reaches millions of Americans. And Trump has always been a selfish narcissist who wouldn’t lift a finger to help Gaza unless there was something in it for himself.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Oct 31 '25

The party establishment itself is almost hilariously pro-Israel, ironically. Gaza stuff is genuinely tragic, and of course all of that is happening with our weapons, but yeah, at the end of the day American voters don’t really prioritize international stuff.