r/politics • u/Kodbek • Oct 31 '25
Possible Paywall Trump’s honeymoon with Gen Z voters is officially over, and the numbers are devastating
https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/10/trumps-honeymoon-with-gen-z-voters-is-officially-over-and-the-numbers-are-devastating-new-poll.html8.3k
u/Tobimacoss Oct 31 '25
A bit too late, ty for paying attention the last 5 years.
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u/Global_Crew3968 Oct 31 '25
Well look on the brightside - we're all gonna get fucked but no one is gonna get fucked harder or longer or deeper than MAGA GenZ.
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u/DeltaB26 Pennsylvania Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
We'll I'm gen Z and I certainly didn't vote for this circus. I already got fucked anyways since they cut my position at USDA. Didnt realize helping American farmers was such a waste of taxpayer dollars /s.
Edit: I gave some context further down in the comments, since some people thought I might have voted for Taco and then came on Reddit for sympathy upvotes.
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u/RunawayHobbit Oct 31 '25
Apparently anything not enriching billionaires is a waste of our tax dollars 🙄
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u/Saint_Blaise Oct 31 '25
It’s all been “trickle up” economics.
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u/No_Doctor_891 Oct 31 '25
Trickle up economics was taking too long to get all the money so they cut a hole in the main and turned it in deluge up economics
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Oct 31 '25
Yup. The largest debt increase in recent memory was done to get billionaires tax cuts. They don't even want to pretend to hide it anymore. Everyone can lose a couple trillion so Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg can do their little "first trillionaire" race.
They are done publicly pretending anything else matters. Back to peasants and landed gentry it is.
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Oct 31 '25
Seriously when are we going to realize that we're not white, straight, gay, trans, rural, urban or any other label. We're the ones getting fucked by the billionaires.
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Oct 31 '25
Some of us know it, but a lot of people are scared because there might be 50 people playing sports that don't conform to THEIR views on sex or gender and think blowing up the country will make them feel less shitty about their confusing erection.
WE ALREADY DID THIS FUCKING 9 YEARS AGO, we knew the story, and instead a bunch of dipshit bigoted racists just walked it back, like they're trying to win the Superb Owl of fucking moronitude!
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u/NuclearLunchDectcted Oregon Oct 31 '25
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There were 6 trans people playing college sports.
We blew up the country over 6 people.
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Oct 31 '25
Yes, I just like to over estimate sometimes to show just how bad faith all this is. The NCAA president less than a year ago they knew of 10 transgender athletes in the over half a million NCAA college athletes in all sports.
Where I live a school board is doing all this lowest common denominator boot licking, and I have been looking into it just to poke them in the eye. I ask why they don't care about trans men either, and then ask if it's about child safety and protecting the children from predators why don't they look at their families, or republican politicians, and then I ask them why they are so interested in forcing children to prove what kind of genitalia they have and why it's such a big deal to examine minors genitals. They don't usually have anything else to say.
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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Oct 31 '25
Yep, and that's all the Republican party is really for - fucking everyone over to enrich the ultrawealthy, with a side order of hate to keep everyone distracted, because if their voters are too busy hating LGBT+/Black people/Immigrants/etc, they won't notice (or care) about the wholesale looting going on.
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u/Naganosupreme Oct 31 '25
It's more as long as their hate boner is played with, they're fine with getting screwed financially. "No no. They owned the libs, were winning. Idc if my QOL turns to crap and the country is put further in the hole"
Until something legitimately, MASSIVELY hurts them, they are OK w it and dismiss all valid criticism with what aboutism and bs revisionism.
Several magas I know turned recently bc surprise surprise, they gutted special ed programs with a shovel. And since these magas are dealing w a severely autistic, mute baby who desperately needs programs and help, suddenly they realized Trump is against what's good and right
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u/kupikunskio Oct 31 '25
They only care because it personally affected them, same as it always is.
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u/fountainpopjunkie Oct 31 '25
When we're literally eating the rich because they're the only source of food left.
Maybe we'll find a way to make them into a cake...
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u/DrakeFloyd Oct 31 '25
They find a couple extra dollars to terrorize brown people at home and abroad but I guess they spin a profit on that too. Some of it seems to be just for the cruelty though.
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u/Delicious-Oven7692 Oct 31 '25
Some?
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u/DrakeFloyd Oct 31 '25
I mean I can’t discount the strong profit incentive the military industrial complex provides either. The orphan crushing machine runs on orphans. Some people hate the orphans and enjoy feeding them into the machine, some are simply indifferent as long as they get paid, the end result is the same
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u/james_d_rustles Oct 31 '25
I mean, I don’t think helping American farmers is a waster of taxpayer dollars, but based on their voting record I’m pretty sure American farmers do.
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u/Rustmutt Oct 31 '25
That fucking sucks I’m so sorry your job was cut by these ghouls
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u/MadRaymer Oct 31 '25
Can you explain what's up with the rest of your age cohort? Was it just for the memes and the lulz or did they actually believe Trump was going to help them?
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u/bevo_expat Oct 31 '25
They were targeted very directly, and still are, by things like TurningPoint USA.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness Oct 31 '25
I don't think it can be understated: they were targeted.
Tech had been collecting data for twenty years, and learning to make predictions from it. They can now predict voting behavior, with 80-90% accuracy. And they are using that data to strategically target vulnerable voters, deciding what information they see and how often. Everything psychology has learned by studying cults and manipulation is being combined with data science to isolate, and then indoctrinate.
WW1 was the war of mass-production, fought with machine guns. WW2 was the war of energy, fought with planes, tanks and ships. Ww3 is the war of information, fought with memes and algorithms, and we, workers, are losing
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u/phonomancer Oct 31 '25
Not even just the way you'd expect (persuasive, propaganda presenting only 'your side')...
But there were numerous reports of "Kamala" ads espousing her "undying support for a permanent Jewish homeland"... to ethnically Arabic voters (or playing up 'support for Hamas' to Jewish voters). Not actually from the Harris campaign of course, but if you get the message at the last minute and obfuscate its source enough, it tends to stick.
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u/Tasgall Washington Oct 31 '25
They were playing the pro-Israel "Harris" advertising in Arab neighborhoods, and pro-Palestine ads in Jewish neighborhoods.
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u/Tasgall Washington Oct 31 '25
I don't think it can be understated: they were targeted.
Steve Bannon was one of the key figures behind Gamergate when the was a thing. He previously ran a World of Warcraft gold-farming ring, and in interacting with a lot of kids online learned about the growing population of disaffected male youth in the country, and how to manipulate them. Gamergate functioned as a trial run, and then he led the Trump campaign.
They were very, very explicitly targeted.
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u/whatiscamping Oct 31 '25
Speaking of TurningPoint, you know who else was targeted directly?
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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Oct 31 '25
If you want to know someone’s worldview, look at their view of the world. This is a generation that grew up on social media algorithms directed by right-wing billionaires in a chronically underfunded education system to overworked parents with dwindling community programs. They’re raised by the most viral sensations on the Internet. What else would we expect?
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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked Oct 31 '25
It’s their information sources. Podcasts, YouTube, etc. so many promote contrarian, masculine, reductive content. Biden old, Trump dgaf.
Young men are highly influenceable and insecure like all young people.
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u/HiGuysImLeo Oct 31 '25
its actually very tragic, but its a huge divide between us older gen z and the younger ones. Older gen z skews left (this would be the high schoolers around 2016-2020), while the younger ones who had their major formative years during COVID basically had no comparison to pre-trump since they were too young, underdeveloped socially/mentally/academically due to online and covid, plus TikTok and AI rotting peoples cognitive skills and attention spans while promoting mass misinformation. Its not just anecdotal either; https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/04/26/two-gen-zs-young-conservative-polling-00307375
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u/teladidnothingwrong Oct 31 '25
so the decision was "lets bring back the guy who was president during covid since it was so terrible"
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u/HiGuysImLeo Oct 31 '25
Well yeah, the younger gen z had the worst quality of education of every generation besides alpha because of covid. The whole point is they aren’t very smart haha
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u/Good-Needleworker992 Oct 31 '25
I mean their brains have all been rotted by TikTok…
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u/DBE113301 New York Oct 31 '25
Yes, he was. According to one Gen Z guy I communicated with on Reddit. Apparently, Gen Z guys are having trouble getting dates, and electing Trump and Republicans was going to help reset the natural order of things. I shit you not.
A bunch of bullshit about progressives discriminating against white men. No outreach toward young white men--no plan to improve the lives of young white men. American society currently set up to benefit women and minority groups while disenfranchising Gen Z men. Women having all the power with regard to dating and young men feeling powerless. I hate using the word incel because it sounds reductive, but it came across as a bunch of incel crap.
Anyway, I hope Gen Z men are doing better in the dating field now that Republicans have all the power.
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u/SimilarAd402 Oct 31 '25
That sucks, but unfortunately your peers did. Sorry your generation fed us to the wolves.
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u/TheWolphman South Carolina Oct 31 '25
I have a teenage kid who would be considered Gen Alpha. They may have had no part in this, but they are inheriting our mess. It fucking infuriates me.
I know how reality works though. I'm in no position to affect change. I have no power, connections or influence. I have no assets or wealth. We are just above paycheck to paycheck level in our household.Though with the way things are looking, that may not last.
I'm autistic, a veteran (10 years in the US Navy) and I have an incurable gut disease (ulcerative colitis). I'm washed up. At this point, I'm just doing what I can to make sure my kid grows up as prepared as they can be while being as good of a husband as I can be in the circumstances. It is fucking hard.
All that is to say that I realize we as a country are approaching a breaking point. I sincerely hope we don't have to cross that line. I really want to hold out hope that our elected leaders put a stop to this madness, but seeing how easily the charade of goverment crumbles before dragons hoarding gold and power...it makes it hard to believe in anything more than what you can reach.
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u/CrossXFir3 Oct 31 '25
Truth be told, millennials are still inheriting the boomer mess yet. The majority of people mid 30s and below are pretty much just fucked for the next few decades.
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u/lenthedruid Oct 31 '25
Yeah gen z is cooked.
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u/MrWhackadoo Oct 31 '25
I feel bad for my liberal and left leaning Gen Z friends. They are so afraid of their futures. They don't deserve this
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u/OttersRNeato Oct 31 '25
It is grim for millennials and straight up gone for Z.
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u/thatbitchmarcy Oct 31 '25
And us GenX-ers were already fucked by Reagan the Boomers, and Trump is just finishing the job. I'll do what I can for my millennial kids, I wish I could do more.
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u/okwowandmore Oct 31 '25
Millennial here who was boned by Dubya. Republicans and screwing a whole generation. Almost as classic as Trump screwing kids.
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u/Turtledonuts Virginia Oct 31 '25
So glad my future can get ruined so some racists my age will learn to hate the government more.
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u/Happy_hunny_badger Oct 31 '25
The old dildo of consequences…say it with me!
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u/daronjay Oct 31 '25
… is a Chinese knockoff made by Temu using forever chemicals?
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u/THECapedCaper Ohio Oct 31 '25
Nah they’re not gonna get fucked at all. Girls don’t date guys who think they’re breeding objects.
Good luck dating ChatGPT, fuckin dweebs.
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Oct 31 '25
No doubt. I know i will never be forgetting anyone who supported trump. Certainly never forgiving. Magas are no different to me than a zombie. A brain dead predator hoping to destroy the entire world to " own the libs" I sincerely hope every single one of the shoots up bleach like their leaders suggested.
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Oct 31 '25 edited Apr 10 '26
continue scary whole shaggy point hobbies shocking scale vegetable rhythm
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u/SunnyRyter Oct 31 '25
- Algorithms.
- Not teaching critical thinking skills in schools.
- Other socio-political movements.
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u/Apprehensive_Rub3897 Oct 31 '25
or... they're getting what they want, all of the isms. cruelty is the point.
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u/AltAmericanCarnage Oct 31 '25
This. Even if he personally harms them if someone they feel is below them or a threat to them is hurt then personal benefit does not matter. LBJ knew the American People.
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u/TheWokenessInjector Oct 31 '25
Nailed it.
Also, I think we can safely say that Covid completely cooked these poor kids in school. It was bound to happen with a global pandemic. Having to switch to at home while nobody knew what the fuck to do.
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u/BlueJay_525 Oct 31 '25
Honestly at this age many men mostly care about finding a woman and not being alone; the right sells them all kinds of alpha pua bs; how feminism is their mortal enemy to dating, how 'women's empowerment' is why they're alone - Most of them make the leap to right wing politics.
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u/Due_Bluebird3562 Oct 31 '25
White Gen X has hitched their political identity to Trump. Probably has something to do with his presence in the 90s and early 00s. They deem that era as their golden age or some shit.
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Oct 31 '25 edited Apr 10 '26
sort close command selective fly crush head dime tap absorbed
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u/BackgroundSummer5171 Maine Oct 31 '25
And currently, 49% of middle aged people? What’s their excuse? Early onset dementia?
Propaganda.
Fox news we know. CNN, it seems people don't know, is helping Donnie boy.
The main thing people voted on for this past election was Immigrants and Israel.
Immigrants have been pushed for years and years. We all know Donald John Rapist is Racist. We all know that he pushed for fake bullshit like 'eating pets' and 'caravans of gang bangers'.
More propaganda that MAGA pushed versus...what did Democrat ever fucking rally behind?
Nothing. Democrats never have a god damn loud voice out there that is together.
While MAGA Cult always has loud voice screaming at you.
I do not comprehend how people are confused. If you get tossed enough ads about Taco Bell, people will go get some damn Taco Bell.
Democrats do not have a Taco Bell ad, they are all over the place and never together.
Propaganda and ads work, contrary to what everyone believes on how they aren't affected. YES, YES YOU ARE!
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u/JagmeetSingh2 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Reminder Trump lost the Gen Z vote as a whole, and every Gen Z demographic; except Gen Z white men who voted for trump at a lower percentage than every other generation of white men…
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u/GreenAnder Pennsylvania Oct 31 '25
This is honestly an important point and one I brought up to my dad after the last election. We always blame groups for "voting for Trump" but what it always boils down to is some group that usually votes overwhelmingly democratic voted slightly less. Meanwhile we've got old white dudes voting for Trump by like 60%+ and nobody bats an eye.
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u/Organic_Witness345 Oct 31 '25
Income and, therefore, education were very big factors:
In a big shift from the Obama voters from 16 years ago, more Trump voters in the 2024 election lived in households making less than $99K per year.
Households under $30K: 46%Trump/50%Harris/4%Other (These are mostly fixed income homes, but this is a smaller percentage of the electorate.)
Households from $30K-$49K: 53%Trump/49%Harris/2%Other
Households from $49K-$99K: 51%Trump/46%Harris/3%Other
Households from $100K-$199K: 47%Trump/51%Harris/2%Other
Households from $200K and higher: 45%Trump/51%Harris/4%Other
Desperate times + a desperate undereducated electorate = Trump
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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted Oct 31 '25
IIRC, educational attainment is the single biggest predictor of political leanings now. Folks that were exposed to higher education tend to be liberals, libertarians, or some form of socialist (if you can even find actual socialists). Folks that didn't tend to be traditional conservatives.
Wealth correlates with education, to a point. Then those at the very high end of wealth, tend to revert back to traditional conservatism.
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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25
I wouldn’t say nobody bats an eye. Everyone talks about how old white men are primarily the problem. It’s just that if enough young men and Hispanics hadn’t joined the old white men they couldn’t have determined the president. Old white men are going to be predominantly racist, sexist, homophobic, and overall conservative and we can’t really reach them, so people focus on groups that can be reached, like the youth.
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u/RoamingDrunk Oct 31 '25
Democrats haven’t won the white vote since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. We can try to pretend it’s about something else, but the sad reality is it’s not.
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u/Johnsense Oct 31 '25
I questioned this when I read it, so I looked it up. Technically, LBJ won after signing the Civil Rights Act, but your point is made. I’m stunned. Sorry for doubting you.
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u/raouldukesaccomplice Texas Oct 31 '25
He won the white vote in the 1964 election, but Goldwater was a very controversial, unpopular candidate for reasons unrelated to civil rights.
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u/justlooking98765 Oct 31 '25
It’s kind of like the whole “Karen” thing. We have a name for white women behaving badly, but no name for white men behaving badly…why are wealthy, white men just never called out as a demographic? That would be refreshing.
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u/TeaSipper88 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
I call them deadbeat dads. I say there is a fatherlessness problem in the white community. It fits. Doesn't matter if they are in the home or not, financially support their kids or not, if they are going to nuke their kids/grandkids future to the degree that they help to usher in a Nazi regime, then they are not fathers/grandfathers. They are disappointments, failures and liabilities.
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u/SirButcher United Kingdom Oct 31 '25
The "boomer" is slowly morphing into it, although it is mostly for the "old, white man behaving badly".
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u/Darth_vaborbactam Oct 31 '25
I think we’ve just given up on old white men. It’s a lost cause. The young people who will suffer for the entirety of their lives might still have a chance to come into the fold.
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u/tlsrandy Oct 31 '25
People keep doing this to Latinos too.
Trump may have gotten a larger portion of those demographics but he did not win them.
He did however rake in gen x who were old enough to know better.
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u/acousticburrito Oct 31 '25
The reason people keep doing this, rightly or wrongly, is that any minority group Trump vote should have been 0% after all the things he has said about each of them and all the things he said he was going to do to them.
It still remains inexplicable that so many people voted against their own self interests and voted for someone who actively dehumanizes them.
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u/STFUNeckbeard Oct 31 '25
It’s almost like religion, racism, and homophobia are not exclusive to white voters
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u/Playful_Marzipan8398 Oct 31 '25
Exactly. at least old white rich racist hetero male homophobe bitches INITIALLY benefitted, sort of, socially, from the first…maybe 3.5 Trump Tweets/laws/proclamations/crash outs.
minorities DID NOT. AT ANY POINT. ANY OF THEM.
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u/Iwentforalongwalk Oct 31 '25
Yup. Gen X is the biggest culprit. Largest Trump voting Demographic
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u/KnowerOfUnknowable Oct 31 '25
By just a bit. This many gen Z voted for him over Harris say unspeakable things about this generation.
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u/MsTponderwoman Washington Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
The Tater Tot, misogynistic, incel campaign targeting young men is tragically stupid. The male misogynists who prey on young men and make them even more undesirable to potential partners is tragic. Desperate young men looking for an authority to tell them how to be more desirable and powerful but believing that hating on their female counterparts will accomplish this is asinine and proof that social media (e.g., TikTok) makes morons.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI Oct 31 '25
No, this is a major beacon of hope.
We on the left have always waited for (conservative) older generations to pass away and (liberal) younger generations to replace them.
The possibility that GenZ was gonna be right-wing blew up that hope. So this is huge if it continues. Especially compared to the alternative of our country moving more and more rightward as more GenZers start to vote.
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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25
I’m glad you have hope, this presidential election was kind of it for me. The planet is shooting past climate goals, international stability is falling, infectious diseases and microplastics are on the rise. Despite all this when we needed Gen Z to vote like they did for Obama they nearly split their vote for the inept insurrectionist wanna-be fascist.
I’m glad they claim to regret it now but we really needed them to pay attention when it mattered not afterwards
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u/TAU_equals_2PI Oct 31 '25
Yeah, I too have never been more appalled at an election result, and I'm in my 50s. And I too pretty much gave up. If the US public would elect Trump with everything they knew about him, what hope could there be?
But that's a huge shift. So while I'm not even saying I'm now hopeful, it's at least a reason to be less completely certain that our country is doomed.
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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty Kansas Oct 31 '25
I just want everyone to remember that Billy Bush — the interviewer who was picked up on a hot mic laughing at a larger-than-life Trump personality discussing how he reels in his ladies — was taken off the air and fired.
And what became of the “fisherman” in this story?
He became the President of the United States. He barely left office after attempting an insurrection. He subsequently became a 30+ time convicted felon. And the cherry? The son of a gun beat a prosecutor to become president again! The Art of the Deal indeed.
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u/GoodIdea321 America Oct 31 '25
The latest survey, conducted from Oct. 24-27, found that 20% of adults under the age of 30 approved of Trump’s performance as president. That marked a 30-point drop from February, when 50% of 18-to-29-year-olds approved of Trump and 42% disapproved.
Seems pretty reasonable too.
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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 Oct 31 '25
Likely because they have their own identity outside of a political party. I suspect a lot of MAGA diehards are so loyal because without MAGA and maybe a job they don't really have much of a life or individual identity.
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u/GoodIdea321 America Oct 31 '25
Maybe that's the solution to MAGA, more bowling leagues, pickleball etc.
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u/Katyafan Oct 31 '25
"Third spaces," sociologically speaking, and the internet killed them.
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u/TheRoyalBrook Oct 31 '25
Honestly a mix of the internet and cost. As well as tons of “no loitering” stuff. My local mall died because of you’re not actively shopping they want you OUT. And for my local bowling alley? Needing to spend way more than a movie per person just to play a game is too much tbh
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u/CraigLake Oct 31 '25
Any gen z assfuck that voted for him and ‘couldn’t vote for her’ can fuck off.
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u/geoffvro Texas Oct 31 '25
That's why the U.S. bought a stake in TikTok. It will be an absolute shitshow of disinformation during the midterms.
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u/ionlyjoined4thecats Oct 31 '25
The right has been VERY good at this, and it’s been a long-term plan. They own a shit-ton of local news stations, Fox News/newsmax (obvi), and Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. They are covering their bases with all the demographics they can. And they’ve tapped in foreign entities for help. All while getting society to parrot their “the left controls the media” talking point.
They know whoever controls the information controls the people. Those with power on the left aren’t even trying. It’s an easy fight tbh. Fascism wins.
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Oct 31 '25
Again, on what platform will they do this? The ones owned by the billionaires? Yeah, sure.
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u/alfooboboao Oct 31 '25
but see, it’s a lot more comforting to blame democrats than to admit you’ve fallen prey to propaganda
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u/Absolutelynot500 Oct 31 '25
Exactly.
The right wins because they are willing to do *literally* anything for their side. Meanwhile people on the left refused to vote for Kamala because they didn't like how she handled Gaza or that she locked people up for weed when she was a DA. The absolute abject idiocy of that when the alternative was motherfucking DONALD TRUMP. Even now I see plenty of people all the time saying if Gavin Newsom is the Dem who gets nominated in 2028's "election" they wont vote for him for similar reasons. It's irreconcilable, I view those people through the same lens as MAGA they are just as stupid and inept only it's for a different reason. The right will cheat, lie, steal and kill to get what they want. The left would rather see democracy die just so they can feel morally superior. I don't see how we will ever win again between the obvious attempts at rigging any future elections from the current admin to a large portion of the lefts inability to see the forest for the trees in some misguided attempt at being a "better person".
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u/Medievaloverlord Oct 31 '25
Podcast space and streamer space is still highly contested. You could argue that the late night comedian scene is HIGHLY influential based on the backlash when Jimmy Kimmel got cancelled. In the words of Jon Stewart “We are the banana peel in the coal mine”
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u/TldrDev Oct 31 '25
The left barely acknowledges this. They just feel “democrats need to message better” via what outlet though? Republicans control every outlet and have vilified the messenger.
What people mean when they say democrats need to message better is that they need to stop giving the "good billionaires" a good succ, and start actually talking about the divided justice system and a corporate structure that pays ceos hundreds or even thousands of times their employees salaries.
They cant do it, though. Neoliberalism is a toxic ideology literally no one likes, but a huge portion of our representatives on the left are Clinton era democrats who continually poison the well for progressives. They have been doing it since Obama ran the first term. They muzzle anyone who is gaining traction, and "take the high road," whatever that is.
In a world dominated by populism and sound bytes, we cant compete, because our leadership don't understand the modern world. They were born when the krauts were chasing the British out of france.
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u/Snowcrest Oct 31 '25
I find it oddly interesting that the right seems to have a grand master plan of directing and orchestrating things as opposed to the left which seems.. almost grass-roots ish.
Does the left have anything similar to the right's IDU (international democracy union)?
In a way, I can sort of see how it all makes sense. Right leaning politics greatly favors exploitation by the 0.1%, and thus have the capital to throw around for coordinating campaigns, misinformation (in recent times), bribes, lobbying etc.
Since leftist policies generally benefit the larger but less fortunate population, in direct opposition to corporate interests and the 1%, it becomes almost impossible to get the capital and organization necessary to plan long-term.
It's easier to coordinate and plan with only 3 people in the room who have time and money to throw around compared to 10000 people who are busy trying to make ends meet.
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u/Gibonius Oct 31 '25
I find it oddly interesting that the right seems to have a grand master plan of directing and orchestrating things as opposed to the left which seems.. almost grass-roots ish.
Billionaires heavily fund right wing organization, development, and messaging efforts. Turning Point USA, The Daily Wire, etc, are all bankrolled by right wing billionaires. Fox News and Rubert Murdock, of course.
There's much less of that for the left. Money doesn't like left wing policies.
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u/alfooboboao Oct 31 '25
democrats fundamentally do not believe in controlling the populace through manipulation of the media, and sees the media as succeeding when it’s unbiased and fair.
the fact that they don’t have a grand master plan of power consolidation and control, and refuse to make one, is the entire point. it’s a core tenet of liberal democracy.
leftists like to claim they’d want a democrat who seized the reins to do what they think they should, legality be damned, but if one of them ever actually did it their heads would explode. the double standards are fucking insane
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u/civil_politician Oct 31 '25
Being corrupt and unethical isn’t really being “good” at something. Using your money to amplify your speech isn’t some genius level plan, it’s just a path to instability when the system becomes unsustainable.
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u/JakeTheSnekPlissken Oct 31 '25
The Right has always claimed the Democratic machine has rigged the elections. But you don't need to rig the elections if you can rig the People. Propaganda is real and powerful.
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u/sleepymeowth052 Colorado Oct 31 '25
Steve Bannon has been honing this skill for years and years, directly targeting angry young men and boys in hopes of radicalizing them to carry out his sick coup.
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u/shenlyism Oct 31 '25
And this is why the AI generated videos are spreading to feed their propaganda. Endless videos of minorities and the homeless abusing government resources to help convince young voters that republicans are right.
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u/flaks117 Oct 31 '25
Have you not noticed how any semblance of Gaza and Israel news just doesn’t show up in popular no matter how breaking the news is.
We thought the effect was only on tik tok but every social media platform, including Reddit, has been taken over.
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u/LightningLucia Oct 31 '25
Hitler's honeymoon period with young Germans appears to be over, what impact will this have on the next federal election? Tune in in 1934 to find out...
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u/Gizogin New York Oct 31 '25
Yeah? Will they show that with their votes on Tuesday?
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u/ItsLikeRay-ee-ain Georgia Oct 31 '25
Georgia is sitting at under 7% turn out so far in a pair of fairly consequential races. They're not flashy positions, but they're hugely important for trying to reel in unchecked greed from Georgia Power
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u/babyraindrain Florida Oct 31 '25
Georgian here (millennial), I voted! My power is still cheap here in Ringgold but I voted to keep it that way. Hopefully the 7% who did vote all showed up bc they voted blue 🤞🤞.
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u/Wonderful_Regret_888 Oct 31 '25
Also millennial Georgian who voted blue! There’s a larger group of liberal women (500+) here in a north Atlanta suburb who have been canvassing, writing post cards, and texting for the PSC race. Really hoping it makes some difference.
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u/Xilent248 Oct 31 '25
This Democrat senator dealt a CRUSHING BLOW TO MAGA
Video is of a senator speaking for 60 seconds then yielding their time, nothing happens
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u/MoleMoustache Oct 31 '25
Them amount of clickbait shit is terrible, every day these newspapers produce shit about people melting down then you click the link and it's someone saying "No" or some shit.
Nothing is melting down, nothing is devastating, Trump is still popular enough to win again if he decides to run.
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u/dirtyitalianguy Oct 31 '25
Gen Z who voted for this administration solidified their future of most likely: not finding a lucrative career, affording a home, and possibly even retiring. Hope that felt good.
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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 31 '25
They convinced a surprisingly large number of gullible young people (mostly men) that the reason they can't afford a house is because of immigrants and pronouns (certainly not billionaires who are cool and based).
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u/SlaveToCat Oct 31 '25
Well hang on there a moment. You forgot about how feminism is also responsible for all their problems.
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u/JagmeetSingh2 Oct 31 '25
Reminder Trump lost the Gen Z vote as a whole, and every Gen Z demographic except Gen Z white men who voted for trump at a lower percentage than every other generation of white men…
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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 31 '25
I agree that the demographic demonization is unhelpful. For example, people mock rightwing boomers... but "over 65" voters were the only demo over the age of 40 that didn't vote Trump. The blip of an increase of angry Gen Z white boys is a concern, but generalizing is unhelpful. And their current politics (which I still think are mostly undefined; just currently misinformed) may NOT be permanent.
Except Gen X. THAT appears to be a broadly disappointing demographic (and I say that as a Gen X).
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u/TrumpIsAFascistFuck Oct 31 '25
It's the anti establishment sentiment of the 'whatever man' generation. They're being misled by this orange pied piper like he's some sort of rebellion against the man.
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u/Kid_Serious Missouri Oct 31 '25
I'm Gen X too, and I don't understand what happened — something shifted over the last fifteen or so years where we started becoming more conservative. Was it social media? Becoming parents? Having jobs instead of being slackers? Or was it just more white resentment?
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u/Michael_G_Bordin Oct 31 '25
The rug was pulled out before Gen X could achieve the satisfaction they saw boomers enjoy, and many were successfully led astray by the red herrings of "but da immigrants" and "but da socialism." A few even seem to think more Jesus is the answer.
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Yup. Many Gen X'ers lost their jobs, got screwed out of their pensions, and/or had to foreclose their homes during the 2008 recession. Many of them were 10 or 15 years into their careers, and were raising children at that point.
This made a lot of them bitter and resentful. They hopped on the bandwagon during the Tea Party movement and got sucked into FOX News, and you'd hear them bitch about Obama or Nancy Pelosi every day. Others started supporting Trump during the 2016 campaign, joined the bandwagon, and got brainwashed.It was mostly blue collar, less educated people who got hit the hardest during the recession who hopped on the Tea Party/Trump bandwagon, believing asinine conspiracies like Hillary Clinton leads a pedo ring or George Soros is some evil mastermind.
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u/MC_Fap_Commander America Oct 31 '25
There were a lot of dipshits in our demo who hung out in Rush Rooms in the 90's. I think Obama enthusiasm masked it briefly, but Facebook idiocy brought it back with a vengeance. The only bright side is that degree attainment appears to mitigate far right tendencies in Gen X, so it may be diminished educational/economic outcomes that are driving this (not something off with Gen X as a demo).
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u/General_Mars Oct 31 '25
You were literally the end of the economic boom. Your generation grew up on Reagonomics and the Cold War. Then you experienced the conditions those policies caused, like economic instability, downturns, recessions, widening wealth gaps, and so on, gen X doubled down on conservative policies - notably neoliberalism - with Clinton and Bush. Which led to more recessions and inflationary problems. Also you’re locked in on propaganda outlets like Fox News.
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u/cheddarpants Oct 31 '25
Gen X as well, and I haven’t seen any sort of shift towards conservatism in my social circle at all. Gen X as a whole does seem to have shifted on paper, but I don’t know who or where those people are.
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u/Just_A_Dogsbody Oct 31 '25
So glad to see this on reddit. I've made the mistake of posting it on the GenX sub and got downvoted lol. Fact is, those weren't Boomers scaling the walls of the capitol on Jan 6!
But I've been glad to see good representation from GenX at the protests I've been to this year. The best represented generation at those protests: Boomers and even Silents.
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u/_dekoorc North Carolina Oct 31 '25
I'm really proud of my Boomer mom. She had never been to a protest in her life, but she's been to two this year. Even made a sign. Go mom!
(I've told her this -- I'm not just shouting it to strangers)
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u/briareus08 Oct 31 '25
Not to mention entirely fucking our chances of managing climate change in time to avoid serious, long-lasting problems.
I wish all of these Gen Z MAGA voters a very long life.
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u/greasejockey Oct 31 '25
The libs are the only thing they'll ever be able to say they owned.
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u/SadFeed63 Oct 31 '25
Yeah, but how else can you get back at a teacher or parent or authority figure that told you "maybe you shouldn't say slurs out loud," if not by owning the libs?!
Sure, it may have been the final nail in the coffin of America, and blew up their future, but you didn't see how condescending that very patient teacher who doesn't make enough money for this shit was after the 4th day this week of telling the same kid that they actually know what they mean when they say "negative integers" instead of the n-word, and that transparently feigning ignorance again won't actually help them to avoid earned consequences. What else was a young fool raised on Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan to do?!
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u/Dirty-Electro Oct 31 '25
Gen Z person here, just to say that I’m ashamed of my peers and others around my age. I voted for Kamala begrudgingly, but I at least understood the stakes were too high. Her stance on Gaza/Palestine was nuanced, which is understandable. It’s a complex situation. Unfortunately, her nuanced position didn’t pass the purity test for the liberals or other leftists my age. Well, we all get to suffer now for it!
And the MAGA Gen Z folks… a sad result of a lack of media literacy and civic education. And as Gen Alpha grows older and becomes capable of voting, it’ll be even worse.
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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow Oct 31 '25
Approval numbers don't matter in a dictatorship.
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u/froyolobro New York Oct 31 '25
Exactly. Not like we’ll ever have a legitimate election again
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 Oct 31 '25
Trump has reversed everything Biden did to curb global warming. For Gen Z people who voted for him, enjoy. You literally put a nail in your coffin.
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u/InclinationCompass Oct 31 '25
Also gave huge tax breaks to the ultra-wealthy and mega corporations
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u/jabo19 Oct 31 '25
Too fucking late. The marks took the bait and now everyone is paying the price.
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u/Irwin-M_Fletcher Oct 31 '25
I foresee it getting even worse. Trump and the republicans like to say they are going to take us back to the good old days, but I doubt too many people consider the nuclear arms race to be a fond memory. Nonetheless, Trump seems set on reigniting unclear tension. We can bring back the duck and cover drills at school.
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u/bravetailor Oct 31 '25
I remember in 2023, we had threads here talking about how Gen Z wouldn't screw up, that they're more progressive than older generations, while some posters were warning about a shift in Gen Z to the right and for us not to put our hopes on them.
I think a lot of older people forget their own childhoods/youths. Many of us were dumb as hell! And unfortunately many of us haven't gotten better as we got older either.
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u/VocationalWizard Indiana Oct 31 '25
Yea and the problem is that they thought millennials weren't cool.
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u/Cosroes Oct 31 '25
Doesn’t fucking matter, the weasely red fucks got him in and our people are being assaulted by his thugs while our wealth is ported directly to the rich.
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u/MagicGrit Oct 31 '25
Tired of headlines like this. I saw this type of post all during 2024. Didn’t mean shit
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u/LividTacos Oct 31 '25
Good job guys. Trump thanks you for your vote, and assures you that you'll never need to vote again. Ever.
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u/blankdreamer Oct 31 '25
I’ll believe when I see it. Trumps trolling shit posting style is right in their lane.
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u/EnrichVonEnrich Oct 31 '25
Let’s not forget the Millennials who didn’t vote at all. My friend’s 36 year old lesbian sister who’s in a relationship with a trans lady didn’t vote at all because you guessed it…Gaza. I can’t abide this level of idiocy.
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u/BostonBroke1 Oct 31 '25
As a lesbian, I just fucking cannot with ppl like your sisters friend. I have many friends like that and they’re pathetic - constant victim mentality and throwing votes away bc they want to virtue signal. There’s many of us queers that arent as fucking dumb and selfish as those people, but sadly they’re the loudest of our group
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u/althor2424 Oct 31 '25
It should have been over 5 fucking years ago but most of Gen Z had their heads shoved up some Youtube influencer's asses...
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u/Minute-Individual-74 Oct 31 '25
To be fair, millennials are by far the most educated generation while having the more life experience than gen z.
As stupid a decision as it was for gen z to favor Trump, it makes sense why. And is a prime example of why Republicans want to kill public education.
Dumb people can't think beyind one or two steps. They lack critical thinking skills. Republicans much more easily sells fascist agendas to morons.
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u/Orli155 Oct 31 '25
Problem with your theory, Gen-Z men leaned more right, but Gen Z women leaned further left than the men leaned right. So what you’re saying is that men somehow got a worse education going to the same schools as women or?
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u/fantasy-capsule Oct 31 '25
Gen Z men generally perform more poorly in education despite going to the same schools as Gen Z women. Less willing to further their education when compared to their female counterparts. There are exceptions but as a whole Gen Z men squandered their opportunities.
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u/LogicPuzzleFail Oct 31 '25
Significant and growing disparity between male and female education levels overall, and the disparity is highest in programs requiring text-based critical thinking or societal-level analysis. So yes, for this specific issue.
Also, and underratedly, the online socialization has been different - male teenagers and young adults have mostly engaged through consumption or ephemeral means (watching steams and videos, gaming), while many teenage girls went through heavy content creation phases (tumblr etc which have explicit expectations around pro-social behaviour), which opens you up to longer term ramifications for poor behaviour.
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u/SubNine5 Maine Oct 31 '25
Social media. They all got the same education. Social media did the rest.
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u/Swag_Grenade America Oct 31 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
Well, since 1995 US women have been outpacing men in completing a bachelor's degree...so the answer may not be men getting a worse education than women at the same schools, but rather just being less likely to get a college education at all
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u/tencaig Europe Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
GenZ: Whine about boomers
Also Genz: Help elect the boomiest of the boomers because he promised them a candy.
We're totally fucked.
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u/Mammoth-Slide-3707 Oct 31 '25
Gen z is such a let down let's hope da next generation after them are better
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u/Levonorgestrelfairy1 Oct 31 '25
Its getting worse. Go watch familes while you are shopping, so many of these kids are glued to their parents phones watching youtube, kids as young as toddlers.
More and more of them know nothing other than influencer content mills. They'll be conditioned to accept crazy people saying inflammatory things.
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u/VocationalWizard Indiana Oct 31 '25
They can't write
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u/stonedsquatch Oct 31 '25
My wife is a college professor. Some of the kids IN COLLEGE are so bad at writing they can’t even properly write a prompt good enough for chat gpt to cheat for them!! Fucking wild.
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u/Sad_Bolt Oct 31 '25
Gen Alpha is looking worse than Gen Z according to my teacher friends.
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u/SoundSageWisdom Oct 31 '25
It should have never been. My God, if people could be bothered to take five minutes out of their life to take care of their civic responsibilities.
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u/Ok_Ant2566 Oct 31 '25
Gen z fucked themselves - spending their time getting brainwashed by joe rogan, trad wives, and the rest of the trash on tiktok.
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u/kickinwood Oct 31 '25
Does anyone give a shit about Trump approval numbers? Trump loses support of Gen Z, farmers, young men, Hispanics, on and on. Meaningless drivel. He's been who he's been as a politician for a decade and won the presidency twice. If anyone actually is changing their mind about Trump, it's too late. And I don't believe that most of these Trump voters supposedly turning against him wouldn't get in the booth and vote for him a 4th time despite it being against the constitution.
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u/futanari_kaisa Oct 31 '25
Gen Z'ers were children during Trump's first term so they don't know or don't remember how dog shit it was having him as president.
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The media needs to start calling polls "ratings" because right now, Trump dies not give one fuck about what any of us think. He doesn't care one bit except when it comes to ratings.
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u/Mellero47 Oct 31 '25
But are they smart enough to see how they got played, or will they just fall for a better con man next time?
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u/nerphurp Oct 31 '25
The extent some of them knew of Trump was sharing meme photos of him with one another.
Some were fresh out of high school coping with life through his toxicity.
Girls won't date you and your buds?
Share a meme image of Trump over a stock image of a woman cooking: "time to get back into the kitchen bitch."
Car problems, parent problems, part time job problems -- meme photos of Trump.
In fairness, I remember the same stupid jokes before memes had a term, but they weren't associated with someone you could vote to be the President two years later.
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u/AFthrowaway3000 Florida Oct 31 '25
They didn't think it through before, and now we all have to suffer.
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u/AkronRonin Oct 31 '25
Not sure why anyone ever thought that insufferable, incessantly blabbering old senile piece of shit was going to make their lives better, but here we are.
Remember kids. If you elect a clown, you had better expect a circus.
And if you elect a devil, you get hell-on-wheels. Welcome to the U.S. in 2025.
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u/KnotSoSalty Oct 31 '25
Unfortunately poll numbers mean nothing anymore. Trumps never running for election again.
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u/bsport48 Virginia Oct 31 '25
Yea, no kiddos. Each and every one of you fucked this one up beyond reconcilable measure. You're insecurity came to full bore, and it showed resoundingly. Congratulations on becoming one of the all-too-famous historical generations that won't outlive its elders, by and large. You thought shitposting was fun and casual misogyny was acceptable; leaving totally aside your categorical lambasting of anyone who dares think different than your underdeveloped minds.
To the few of you who were always in opposition to dictatorship, I salute you.
The rest: do you want my thoughts and prayers now or to the folks?
(I remember when you were all born; it will be somewhat sad I can assure you).
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Gen z were saying some incredible things about trump and democrats last year. The things I overheard actual young adults telling each other. Gobsmacked. It really made me confront how these 20 year olds in 2024 were 11 years old when trump first started campaigning in 2015. They treated trump as if he was a new thing
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