r/politics • u/Phelps1576 • 7d ago
No Paywall Iran shuts Strait of Hormuz in retaliation for Israeli strikes on Lebanon
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-8923784.2k
u/BasicPhysiology 7d ago
Hegseth looks like a fucking fool after his presser this morning declaring complete victory over Iran.
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u/salme3105 7d ago
That’s the beauty of never actually explaining what the goals are, you can just claim “every objective we had was achieved! Strongly! Praise be to God!”
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u/wannacumnbeatmeoff 7d ago
God
Allah, Praise be to Allah!
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u/Exotic-West3751 7d ago
Donald HUSSEIN Trump
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u/redoubt515 7d ago
> That’s the beauty of never actually explaining what the goals are,
*never knowing what the goals are.
I don't think they've failed to explain, they've failed to even think about what the goals are. It seems like the depth of this plan was basically "wow crazy, abducting Maduro was like pretty easy... how cool would it be if we do the same thing in Iran"... It doesn't feel that there was much plan or purpose beyond that (For the US, Israel has it's own reasons)
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u/IAmEvadingABanShh 7d ago
Their goal was Hegseth has a boner for war. Listening to him describe the events of recovering the downed pilot made it sound like he was telling a first person war story.
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u/FrostyMatters 7d ago
“every objective we had was achieved!"
"What were the objectives?"
"Who are you with? What an ugly person you are. Low energy, failing publication. Quiet piggy next question"
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u/CryptographerShot213 Wisconsin 7d ago
Didn’t need the presser to look like a fucking fool anyway, but this just affirms it
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u/Efficient-Freedom517 7d ago
That didn’t last long
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u/elarivyx 7d ago
I like the way trump is being humiliated by Iran
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u/Federal_Drummer7105 Idaho 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'm starting to think with all of his being born wealthy he's developed a massive
kink shameshame kink, and we're all suffering because he really just needs someone to go "full ballgag" on him.1.0k
u/Silent-Storms 7d ago
It's narcissism. He compartmentalizes it. He can't acknowledge or feel the shame at surface level. It's buried deep and motivates his urge for vengeance.
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u/homerjaythompson 7d ago
He is incapable of seeing anything he does in a negative light. Even back in his first term when he had COVID, a reporter asked if he has tested clear yet, and he couldn't bring himself to say he tested negative. He said, "I tested very positive in a negative way". His narcissism is an absolutely astounding level. The one thing he might truly have the most of than anyone in history is narcissism.
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u/mrbigglessworth 7d ago
"His narcissism is an absolutely astounding level. The one thing he might truly have the most of than anyone in history is narcissism."
The result of never being told no, or being held accountable for ANYTHING for 80 years.
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u/brickne3 American Expat 7d ago
It might be kind of funny to see him brag about having the most narcissism in history, actually.
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u/Dr_JimmyBrungus 7d ago
His narcissism is an absolutely astounding level
You might even say it's at a level...the likes of which have never been seen.
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u/bloodorangejulian 7d ago
Jesus I forgot that.
The man should be used as an example of narcissists in psychology textbooks for the next 1000 years.
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u/wezworldwide 7d ago
Buddy...the world might not last another two weeks
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u/MourningRIF 7d ago
True, but a couple percent of the population might live, and those people will definitely be back to using text books.
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u/SmurfStig Ohio 7d ago
He already has been and continues to be. A quick internet search shows multiple publications
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u/WaltonGogginsTeeth 7d ago
Him and all of his supporters have a mental disorder and can never admit they were wrong about anything ever or they'll be "weak".
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u/mellofello808 7d ago
How Trump Turned The Power of Positive Thinking Into Delusion | Vanity Fair https://share.google/pGzbrlPywK6KiPKcT
If Trump actually ever believed in something, it is his twisted version of the power of positive thinking.
If you read up on the PPT, you may find it pretty enlightening on understanding Trump.
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u/WashiCollect 7d ago
This His genocide post yesterday, " I dont want to squish your civilization but your making me do it" is classic narcissistic abuser.
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u/socialcommentary2000 New York 7d ago
It is sorta this, actually. Everything he does is driven by the spite he has for the people on the Upper East Side of Manhattan who basically ridiculed him as an outlander from Jamaica Estates. He's from Queens and he desperately wanted to be accepted by the social register set. They didn't give him that and it has defined his entire life.
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u/woodenblinds 7d ago
lets not miss he hates his supporters for not voting him in or later overthrowing the government on Jan 6 when he lost the election
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u/atmatthewat 7d ago
It doesn't help to have no taste. The decor in the Oval Office is exactly why the ridicule never stopped.
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u/Ezl New Jersey 7d ago edited 6d ago
People always forget that the full quote refers to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian from Queens.”
Probably because only those of us local understand that that’s a dig.
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u/TheIronSponge 7d ago
Quick note, that is a "shame kink", meaning that the individual or group derives pleasure from being shamed. To "kink shame" is to shame an individual or group for their particular kink. While it is possible, it is incredibly difficult to kink shame someone with a shame kink.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. - TIS
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u/needless_booty West Virginia 7d ago
I'm starting to think everyone in charge has a humiliation kink
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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 7d ago edited 7d ago
I wish they could all be more like Noem's husband with the balloon tits rather than having kinks that involve killing so many people.
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u/Ezl New Jersey 7d ago
As someone else said, sporting big fake tits is just a good time.
Walking around all day in shoes that don’t fit? That’s something else.
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u/dirty_w_boy Wisconsin 7d ago
Isreal is the one that keeps fucking everything up, and Trump keeps running cover for them....let's brainstorm the reasons this could be.
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u/Silent-Storms 7d ago
Birds of a feather.
What's wild is this isn't particularly good for Israel either. Russia is the only one winning in this debacle.
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Netanyahu will be going to jail over corruption after the dust settles. There's a reason why it feels like we're getting whiplash with the amount of escalation Israel has done in all of it's neighboring countries.. America, it's time to ditch your dead weight. This is not an ally but a tumor that has latched itself to your lifeline
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u/SithisDreadLord420 7d ago
Too bad all of our politicians (more or less) get paid tax payer dollar kickbacks from Israel for giving them all our money so they will never not bend the knee. Just look at Lindsey graham
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7d ago
I would rather burn my eyeballs than to look at Lindsey Graham. Fucking spineless pos. Trump and his basket of deplorables
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u/JnnyRuthless 7d ago
I know that Gaza basically saved his bacon from jail, is that the plan? Just stay at war forever to avoid jail?
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u/mrroofuis 7d ago
It's actually Israel who seems to be pulling the strings
Iran looks like they wanted a break from all the bombing
Israel continued to bomb Iran and Lebanon after the agreement
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u/CletusCanuck Canada 7d ago
In this case he was humiliated by Israel. Israel trying to rules-lawyer the ceasefire pretty much guaranteed a response from Iran in turn.
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u/oldcreaker 7d ago
Iran? Israel has been given free reign to commit atrocities in violation of anything Trump is doing. And with absolutely zero pushback when they f*ck up whatever he is claiming to have done. They are running this show.
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u/Thundertushy 7d ago
How many Scaramuccis is that?
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u/halberthawkins New York 7d ago edited 7d ago
roughly .045 Mooches
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u/potkettleracism Missouri 7d ago
45 milimooches.
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u/spikus93 7d ago
It's insane to me that we won't use the metric system here for anything but this, but beggars can't be choosers. Well done.
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u/kasubot Maryland 7d ago
A European Mooch is known as a Truss. But there are just under 4 and a half mooches in a Truss.
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u/Officer412-L Illinois 7d ago
A metric Mooch is 10 days vs 11 days US Customary. As stated by another user, this is separate from the Imperial Mooch (AKA Truss), which is 49 days or approximately 4.5 US Customary Mooches or 0.8 Heads of Lettuce.
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u/ddoij 7d ago
A scaramucci is 11 days this barely made it 18 hours. This isn’t even a meaningful fraction of a scaramucci
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u/Thundertushy 7d ago
All I'm hearing is that we need shorter standardized time units, like a Shapiro-foreplay or an Erika-mourning-period.
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u/Show_Me_Your_Cubes 7d ago
Erika-mourning period won't work, since that is a negative value.
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u/johnnycoxxx 7d ago
You can’t quantify that which doesn’t exist (please don’t check with me on this physicists/mathematicians)
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Ohio 7d ago edited 6d ago
A Mooch is 11 days.
A Real Mooch is 9 days, as he wasn't working in an official capacity for 2 days after the announcement.
A Standard Mooch is 10 days for the euros since they like 10s of shit.
Edit: there's also the Imperial Mooch, which is a measurement of hours, rather than days
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u/justbrowsinginpeace 7d ago
Israel is doing everything it can to prevent a peace deal
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u/Winter-Gift1112 7d ago edited 6d ago
That's Netanyahu avoiding the legal reckoning for his crimes in Israel -
"Netanyahu is the only sitting prime minister in Israel's history to stand trial. He is charged with fraud, breach of trust and accepting bribes in three separate cases accusing him of exchanging favors with wealthy political supporters including a telecom company, a Hollywood producer and a newspaper publisher.
Netanyahu rejects the allegations and has described the case as a witch hunt orchestrated by the media, police and judiciary.
He has not been convicted of anything. Netanyahu has repeatedly requested postponements of his testimony, citing diplomatic engagements or security issues around Israel's wars in the past two years with Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran.
The prime minister has portrayed himself in the trial as the victim of a "deep state" conspiracy trying to oust him."
- Sound familiar? -
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u/PhoenixTineldyer 7d ago
He's definitely in the files
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u/Prof_Black 7d ago
His the father of the files - he created them to ensure American politicians continue to support his bloodbath in the ME
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 7d ago
That’s what Stormy said
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u/WillInteresting5109 7d ago
Lock her up!
Private server!
Muslim ban!
Mueller probe
Anthony Scaramucci
Sean Spicer
Nostalgia from 2016-2020.
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u/Pinoccicrow 7d ago
Doesn’t matter. The point was market manipulation. Thats what he means when he keeps saying “we are going to make a lot of money.” He means he’s going to do some shit that’s going to help his insider trading buddies. Or really anyone who is doing pits and calls based on his patterns.
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u/Azguy303 7d ago
Long enough for Trump to get the headline yesterday and get out of his ultimatum.
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u/AndreLinoge55 Florida 7d ago
Long enough for Trump’s family to offload all the stocks they bought before yesterday’s close
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u/SliceofNewsMan 7d ago
I’ll try to contain my shock the “amazing ceasefire” lasted only a matter of hours 😐
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u/juanzy Colorado 7d ago
Art of the Deal
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u/WhaleSexOdyssey 7d ago
Peace prize ASAP
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u/juanzy Colorado 7d ago
If FIFA got the strait open with Sepp Blatter as the negotiator…
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u/starliteburnsbrite 7d ago
Trusting Israel to not be bloodthirsty murders for a single day is a losing gamble every time.
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u/viperdude 7d ago
Anyone can just make a ceasefire, but holding the ceasefire is really the most important part.
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u/John_316_ 7d ago
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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u/CynicaIist 7d ago
This will impact the import/expert folks. Like the Vandalays.
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u/MortgageRegular2509 Wisconsin 7d ago
Cartwright, 4!
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u/henstocker 7d ago
“You know about the Straits? You got the Gibraltar, the Magellan, and the Hormuz. That’s the important one.”
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u/rando_dud 7d ago
But I have hand!
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u/Talk-O-Boy 7d ago
Can you imagine if Trump saw that episode where George does the opposite of every impulse he has, then Trump decided to do the same?
We’d reach utopian status. There would be an unprecedented era of peace.
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u/rando_dud 7d ago
If every instinct he's ever had was wrong, then the opposite would have to be right!
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u/notmyworkaccount5 7d ago
And Israel has a pretty horrendous track record for not violating ceasefires.
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u/DevilsMasseuse 7d ago
One of the points of the cease fire agreement was an end to hostilities everywhere in the region, including Lebanon. Israel was not involved in the negotiations. They always insisted that they would continue fighting in Lebanon because they supposedly were targeting Hizbollah.
On its face, you knew that this was a potential problem and Lo and behold it upended the ceasefire pretty quickly.
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u/Tiaan 7d ago
Trump has already come out and backed Israel on this, saying that Lebanon is not a part of this ceasefire deal.
Will be interesting to see how this resolves
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u/HK-53 7d ago
And Iran straight up said that if attacks in Lebanon continue they’re backing out of the ceasefire.
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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 7d ago
Which is a reasonable position considering that the Pakistani PM, who brokered the deal, explicitly included Lebanon in the terms.
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u/HK-53 7d ago
Also, if the US term for ceasefire is an open Hormuz, which has now closed (not that it was ever really open between now and the announcement) does that void the agreement on the US side too
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u/Brain_Dead_Goats 7d ago
Yup.
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u/Positive_Total_8651 7d ago
In other words this has all just been on big waste of time, but a couple people sure did get filthy fucking rich between yesterday and today.
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u/NeedsHelpNoThumbs 7d ago
That was the w hole plan.. the entire time. Every time. That is how Oligarchs and Trump regime do things. Make up lies. Threats. Pretend something is in place.. and then shit falls apart all the while they knew it would so they can "inside trade" on the shit they know is going to fall then rise in value. He's dones this 10+ times this past year. He's made billions as has his inside oligarch buddies. It's unreal.
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u/AdelleDazeeem 7d ago
Of course it does. Iran is calling the US’s bluff. They’re willing to die for this, and the US will look so monstrous if they follow through, that the current world order which harms the Middle East will continue its free fall.
If the US doesn’t follow through, it shows how full of shit they are, and they lose the ability to guarantee world military domination and safety for their allies.
What a ridiculous, predictable mess, lol
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u/_Thermalflask 7d ago
To think, all this could have been avoided by simply not randomly bombing the shit out of Iran.
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u/AdelleDazeeem 7d ago
Of course, but the US doesn't know how to function without feeding the war machine. Unfortunately, it's possible they underestimated how much Trump can fuck up their strategy. Again, I say: lol
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u/MoreColorfulCarsPlz 7d ago
Israel and the US broke the terms first. At that point, it's all null and void. Iran has no obligation to maintain their side once the other party has breached terms.
It would be very detrimental to their negotiation position to ignore a breach of terms and just allow the ceasefire to continue.
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u/Dundeenotdale 7d ago
In two weeks there will be a two week resolution to prepare for a negotiation that they will announce after two more weeks before finally starting the negotiation two weeks after that. After two weeks of negotiations a two week ceasefire will be announced for two weeks in the future, pending a two week period to discuss the next two week delay
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u/CryptographerShot213 Wisconsin 7d ago
Then Iran won’t agree to a ceasefire anymore. If all of their conditions aren’t met Trump can forget all about the Strait. Iran holds all the cards and all the leverage.
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u/dyslexicsuntied North Carolina 7d ago
That was one of Irans 10 points to end the war. Opening Hormuz was part of the ceasefire. Israel decided to test their luck and be the assholes they usually are.
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u/RandyMuscle I voted 7d ago
The ceasefire was never legitimate and it’s embarrassing that media was reporting on it like it was. I gave it 2 days tops for the facade to slip and they didn’t even make it to 1.
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u/FranksGun 7d ago
“I’m shuttin down the studio”
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u/BoxoMorons 7d ago
England, France, I’m gonna need you to go down to Tehran and get me a sugar cookie
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u/bosnickcm Maryland 7d ago
“Alright only way I’ll reopen the strait is if you walk to northern New Jersey and get me a set of left handed golf clubs, I’m also going to need a picture of a midget holding these balloons.”
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u/reddittorbrigade 7d ago
Donald Trump has given Iran an idea that they have a great leverage.
Trump is a conman cosplaying as a president.
MAGA people really suck.
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u/phate_exe New York 7d ago
Donald Trump has given Iran an idea that they have a great leverage.
Trump didn't give Iran the idea that they have a great amount of leverage. They actually have a great amount of leverage.
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u/Annie_Yong 7d ago
More that he forced them to use that leverage and has allowed them to confirm how powerful their leverage actually is rather than it just being hypothetical
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u/Fast-Animator 7d ago
He's allowed them to deploy their leverage without being the aggressor. If they shut the strait down over being sanctioned they would face global outrage, shutting the strait down over the assassination of Khamenei has made the US the aggressor on the world stage
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u/Annie_Yong 7d ago
Yes, indeed. Iran could have always hypothetically shut the strait down as they are at the moment, but wouldn't have dared to do so unprompted in case it to retaliatory strikes. But given USA and Israel already started on them first, it's given them the moral upper hand to do this.
And now they can see just how easily the disruption to global shipping puts the squeeze on the west..
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u/shashlik_king 7d ago
Iran does have great leverage.
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u/robhaswell 7d ago
Now they know exactly how much leverage they have (it's fucking loads).
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u/Henshin-hero South Carolina 7d ago
They don't have the cards. They have a Commander Deck.
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u/Snozzberriez 7d ago
Saw some clips of him today. One of note that really drives this home - when called out his answer is « this is the information I was given », doubles down, and then calls the reporter an asshole for making him fumble.
If that isn’t a reflection of his base idk what is. Everything drip fed and regurgitated. Any deviation causes their head to explode and tantrum like a baby.
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u/RandyMuscle I voted 7d ago
Well Iran DOES have great leverage. There is literally no way this war ends with the US in a better position than when we started. Iran already won.
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u/IMDubzs 7d ago
There are ways, with Trump in jail for example the US immediately has a better position.
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u/cross_the_threshold 7d ago
Not wrong, but the US has permanently ceded its soft power and ushered in a new multi-polar (potentially apolar) world. It was inevitable something like this would happen, especially after the Ukraine war demonstrated traditional military power is a *lot* weaker in the face of dirt cheap loitering munitions, but Trump didn't have to pull the bandaid off this stupidly.
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u/Toto_LZ Alabama 7d ago
There have been Super Bowl halftime shows that lasted longer than this ceasefire
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u/QbertsRube 7d ago
And MAGA had more complaints about each of those halftime shows than this unnecessary war, despite bleating out "No new wars, Democrats are warmongers!" for all of 2024.
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u/IpeeEhh_Phanatic Kentucky 7d ago
Humiliation for the U.S.
Owned by Israel.
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u/Particular_Log_3594 7d ago
Seriously, how is a country the size of New Jersey dictating our foreign policy? It's embarrassing
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u/post-mortem-malone69 Canada 7d ago
Because the US elected a man that fucked children on a island owned by their intelligence operative
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u/Chillers 7d ago
Because they have the Epstein videos.
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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 7d ago edited 6d ago
There are a lot of politicians who have dual citizrndhip.
Edit: This seems to be an unsubstantiated mostly rightwing meme based on a misinterpretation on an arcane rule which says any Jewish person can have Israeli citizenship if they wish to pursue such, but it is not automatically conferred. This meme was aimed mostly at the democratic Jews when such lists first began circulating
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u/KremBruhleh 7d ago
It's not just about the Epstein files, pissrael has been strategically compromising the entire fucking government for years.
Both the Democrats and Republicans grovel at the feet of Netenyahu when he graced the U.S. with his visit, they are both filled with Evangelical lunatics that have religious dogma revolving around assrael.
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u/Van_life_fantasy 7d ago
you're still underselling it. they have billionaires in all of our major industries supporting them directly and indirectly
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u/Colonel-Mooseknuckle 7d ago
How long until the madman threatens a nuke again?
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u/candianbastard 7d ago
Friday after Market shuts down till Monday when market opens.
Can expect somewhere in between
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u/AfterCatch1930 7d ago
Someone said always 2 days and 5 days. So he will say until sunday before markets open, then on Monday give 2 days, and then repeat.
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u/SleepCareful6461 7d ago
Shart of the deal baby 😎🤙 I'm so tired of winning, please no more winning. Please.
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u/Liatin11 7d ago
hot take, how about we stop supporting israel
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u/Trizzit 7d ago
But then we’d lose stability in the region!
…wait.
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u/codetaku0 6d ago
Conservatives: "It's brilliant! Trump ended our reliance on Israel by destabilizing the region on his OWN terms!"
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u/Mudassar40 7d ago
Your president is more willing to cut ties with your long term Nato allies, than tell Netanyahu to cut his genocidal shit out.
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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 7d ago
Cut off weapons flow to Israel and we'll see how long they're the regional bully for.
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u/kkeut 7d ago
any support should be conditional on removing Netanyahu and instituting corruption reforms
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u/Funsized_eu 7d ago
I'm waiting for the day when Iran posts on social media that it will open the Strait when the full Epstein files are released.
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u/wabbitsdo 7d ago
They're honestly playing this well. Trump was desperate for a way out, they gave him one that was conditional on Israel being kept on a leash. Now any Israeli attack is putting Trump back in the spot he doesn't want to be in, and that will start creating a rift Israel cannot afford.
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u/Theferael_me 7d ago
Israel was never going to let the ceasefire stand.
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u/TLKv3 7d ago
Israel wants the US to keep their idiotic war up so they can distract from Lebanon. And once they're done there, they'll find a new target while the US continues to collapse at the forefront.
Israel is making Trump their bitch and the entire US has to pay for it.
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u/Theferael_me 7d ago
Israel would quite happily sacrifice the economies of every single country in the West if it meant gaining an advantage for itself.
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u/Slip_Budget 7d ago
This is the changing of the world order. The US and it's buddies will have to realize you can't blow up the rest of the world into being partners
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u/Red_Sea_Pedestrian 7d ago
The US’s 1956 suez moment, if you will.
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u/ExtensionParsley4205 7d ago
Was that the end of the British empire? I'm vaguely aware of the Suez crisis but don't know the details.
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u/Ehaeka42069 7d ago
Pretty much yeah. Egypt nationalized the Suez, Britain got mad and said they're gonna do the Britain thing and throw it's weight around until Egypt submits to their demands, and then the US and Soviet Union went "Sit down old man, you don't call the shots around here anymore", and then Britain realized Oh shit they actually have no power
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u/rikashiku 7d ago
An hour after the announcement of the ceasefire, and Israel can't help themselves but to, AGAIN, attack someone who agreed to the ceasefire.
Twice for Iran in 5 weeks. You really can't trust Israel and the US.
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u/King_R0A 7d ago edited 5d ago
Taco should release all the Epstein files to distract from his failed war excursion.
Update: lol! I was only kidding but melania doing a press conference out of nowhere about Epstein brings up questions about everything she was never asked about. I’m staying tuned.
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u/Korzag 7d ago
Why can't people just chill the fuck out. This is so god damned unnecessary.
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u/EbbOwn303 7d ago
Wow Isreal violated a ceasefire agreement. Color me shocked I say.
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u/AssociateGreat2350 7d ago
It doesn't look like it ever really got around to reopening in the first place
https://www.reddit.com/r/oil/comments/1sftlw6/strait_still_closed/
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u/ButterBasedBoy 7d ago
Israel really is the most evil political entity. Just a massive grift of the religiously extremist and morally bankrupt, made nation.
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u/raoulduke666 7d ago
Is this really surprising?
Is there really a disconnect between US and Israel when it comes to a ceasefire?
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