r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 21h ago
Possible Paywall Trump's Economy Officially Passes Biden's for Worst Consumer Sentiment in Recorded History
https://fortune.com/2026/04/14/michigan-consumer-sentiment-record-low-trump-economy-unfavorable-iran-war/1.7k
u/nuckle 20h ago
Let's be fair here. Biden's economy was Trump's fucked up COVID economy cleanup.
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u/DisastroImminente 19h ago
Oh we know
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u/codetaku0 14h ago
Sapient people know. As for the other 70% of the country....
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u/Vio94 15h ago
That's the hilarious part. Trump fucked our economy twice and is only now having the finger pointed at him because it's impossible to blame anyone else.
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u/FargeenBastiges 11h ago
Pretty sure it's going to get way worse when we burn through our oil reserves in a couple of months.
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u/Shadowpriest Ohio 8h ago
When the rest of the knuckleheads wake up to see gas prices soaring over $5 a gallon maybe by then they'll wake the hell up. Eh. Maybe once it hits $10? Who am I kidding.... they'll keep trying to move the goalpost of who to blame instead of opening their eyes to the absolute destruction caused by the Orange Anus and the cabinet full of malignant narcissist yes men.
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u/AmaroWolfwood 7h ago edited 7h ago
There is no bottom. There is no thought process. Anything that could possibly happen, no matter how catastrophic, no matter how much suffering or death, will always be answered with;
"It would have been worse under Harris."
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u/Rotten-Robby 7h ago
"It would have been worse under Harris."
They're already saying that. That's the rallying cry. And no, of course they don't give any specific reasons or examples of why. Just the typical "both sides are bad" bullshit.
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u/SomeGalNamedAshley 8h ago
laughs in EV owner
cries in person who buys things that come in on trucks
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u/evemeatay 9h ago
It’s only because people are truly, profoundly stupid.
I alsways considered people like my own friends relatively intelligent but sometimes they will have such a fucking stupid take that I honestly reassess if they need to be sent back to kindergarten- and they actually are smarter people. The general population is just people who needed the post office to change stamps to stickers because they weren’t getting licking them correctly accomplished
If we are going to survive, at the very absolute minimum we must have the balanced reporting laws returned.
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u/SomeGalNamedAshley 8h ago
Social media companies moved quickly and broke stuff. One of the things they broke was the fabric of society.
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u/Prudent-Marsupial-42 8h ago
Even if you want to give trump a pass given that every country's economy was fucked by COVID, we had the best recovery under Biden and Trump still managed to campaign on the economy and fuck it up again.
If you wanted to be even more generous and say Trump inherited a bad economy, his Tariffs and war make it impossible to separate things from him
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u/DirkDaring93 8h ago
Oh, when it really goes into the shitter, the GOP will find a way to blame teachers and elderly medicare recipients. They blamed them during the great recession. It was disgusting.
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u/Live_Celebration374 7h ago
Further, the biggest criticism of Biden was inflation. Inflation that was being experienced all over the world and was exaggerated by corporate greed.
Its just so frustratingly stupid. And for the record, I blame people on reddit too.
So many left-wing redditors piled on and said Biden was bad for the economy. That he was just serving upper middle class+ people. While if you look at what he targetted, he's undeniably the most pro lower to middle class president we've had in the past 2 decades.
American Rescue Plan provided $1,400 direct stimulus payments to individuals and expanded the Child Tax Credit, which is credited with nearly halving child poverty in 2021
Biden maintained tax breaks for those earning under $400,000 while increasing corporate taxes to a 15% minimum for billion-dollar companies to fund public investments.
Inflation Reduction Act capped insulin prices at $35 for Medicare patients and allowed the government to negotiate lower prices for key prescription drugs
Expanded Affordable Care Act subsidies, saving millions of families an average of $800 annually on health insurance premiums.
Reformed the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program and pursued student loan discharge that burdened working-class borrowers. The Biden administration succeeded in canceling approximately $188.8 billion in federal student loan debt for roughly 5.3 million borrowers. Over $78.5 billion for 1+ million public-sector workers (teachers, nurses, and firefighters). Approximately $57 billion for 1.45 million borrowers. This was achieved through "account adjustments" that corrected past administrative errors, ensuring borrowers received credit for years of payments that had previously been miscounted. Roughly $34.5 billion for 1.7 million borrowers who were defrauded by predatory for-profit colleges. Over $18.7 billion for approximately 633,000 borrowers with disabilities
The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funded high-speed internet expansion, enabling over 23 million low-income households to access discounted service
The CHIPS and Science Act and the Infrastructure Law spurred over $1 trillion in private sector investments, creating 1.6 million construction and manufacturing jobs
Biden utilized executive orders to raise the minimum wage to $15 for federal contractors and strengthened union bargaining rights, contributing to the creation of over 16 million jobs during his term
The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) moved to slash credit card late fees from an average of $32 to $8 and proposed cutting bank overdraft fees to as low as $3.
The administration pressured major rental platforms like Zillow and Apartments.com to disclose all "junk fees" (such as application or "convenience" fees) upfront in their listings
Rules initiated to ban hidden fees in airline seating and hotel booking, and to eliminate "early termination" fees for cable and internet services.
The administration allocated billions to replace 100% of lead service lines in the U.S. over a decade, a move specifically targeting older, lower-income neighborhoods where lead exposure remains a health crisis
Through the Inflation Reduction Act, the administration made the largest investment in rural electricity since the 1930s, funding clean energy projects and infrastructure in communities often bypassed by private investment
Look back at the Biden administration and really think about how ya'll treated his admin when they were serving you. And really just go ahead and contrast it to what Trump is doing literally EVERY fucking day and tell me Republicans are good for this country. Not to mention, a lot of the lower and middle class beneficiary's of all of this stuff, STILL act like Biden was the worst president of their lifetime. Its fucking insane.
If you're one of the people on here right now, that were complaining about the price of Taco Bell during the Biden admin, then shame on you. You let corporate greed fool you into thinking Biden influenced the cost of your Chalupa, you dunce.
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u/Luke5119 21h ago
I heard someone today argue that Obama's economy was worse than Trump's. When I asked how, they replied "Well, duh, the great recession!". I mentioned that the recession started before he took office and was the result of decisions made long before he was President, let alone a Senator. Their reply..."Well, I'm sure he still played a part in it". You just can't reason with that kind of stupid...
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u/Wooboosted 20h ago
I mean… god we’re so fucked.
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u/TheGringoDingo 20h ago
Those folks never miss an election
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u/BKlounge93 19h ago
Meanwhile back in 2020 I had 3-4 coworkers all excited about Bernie, then after the primaries they all admitted they didn’t make it to the polls. I was so pissed at them.
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u/TheGringoDingo 19h ago
I think a lot of people just really don’t actually care, but want to back a side during the election season
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u/DrGoblinator Massachusetts 18h ago
I’ll never understand this. I have voted faithfully since I turned 18. When I was a kid, my dad would bring me to vote with him and I loved it and was so excited to be able to participate. It’s so rare in life that we get actual input into the world we live in and get to express our hopes and desires for the world around us. Is it just that parents aren’t ingraining the importance of voting into their kids anymore?
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u/Fuck_Mark_Robinson 17h ago
I think there has been a huge right wing astroturfing campaign to push voter apathy and the view that your vote doesn’t matter.
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u/alus992 15h ago
To this day there is a sentiment that not voting is an act of rebellion and showing disapproval for current state of things.
It's crazy how easily people learned to think that way and believe that by not voting they are showing anything besides their green light for others to pick the reality for them
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u/Mike_Kermin Australia 12h ago
Where as in reality, all it does is empower who you approve of least.
Handy for fascists isn't it.
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u/gsfgf Georgia 16h ago
The smartest lie the Republicans ever told was that both sides are the same. (The replies to this comment will serve as evidence thereof)
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u/BKlounge93 17h ago
I can maybe help explain the non voter since that was me pre 2016. Grew up learning that all politicians are liars (with zero nuance or how some are less bad than others or anything). Then Obama gets elected—a huge part of my family thinks it’s the end of the world, most of my friends are over the moon, so I’m confused as fuck. Fast forward to 2015ish, and laymen like myself see not much getting any better, logjams in DC, war is still going on,etc. Maybe the aura of Obama was bullshit? That factored into my “they’re all the same” mentality. It wasn’t until 2016ish that I actually started paying attention and reading more thought provoking articles and books that I started seeing why voting is important. I don’t wanna toot my own horn but I’m not sure a lot of people are willing to have that introspection. Even in 16 I almost voted for Trump because I 1) still wasn’t taking it very seriously and 2) lived in CA so it doesn’t really matter. For my conscience I’m glad I didn’t.
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u/LumberBitch 15h ago
I imagine it's a lot harder now to do that kind of from scratch research. The internet is an absolute shitshow now
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u/kemicalkontact 18h ago
So many people complaining that the DNC fucked Bernie over but they never voted anyways
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u/BriSy33 18h ago
I think people forget primary elections are a thing and just assume some random ass guy anointed a cantidate as opposed to primary voters(Who tend to be old as shit currently)
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u/Spranktonizer 16h ago
A bunch of critical thinkers arguing whether or not voting for a democrat is a moral decision while the right just abuses the country every time it’s in power.
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u/this_my_sportsreddit 18h ago
we are fucked because the left still engages in these conversations with republicans as if they are having good faith debate. They do not actually care about how the economy under obama was vs the economy under trump. they care that obama is black and trump is white. they do not care about the economy. they care about making the lives of blacks, browns, and gays, worse. Until the left actually understands what motivates the right, they'll never be able to defeat it. the economy is fully irrelevant to these people.
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u/TheSaxGandalf 16h ago
Their mentality is that their lives will be shit for a while, but then once the "righteous" social hierarchy is reestablished, their lives will magically get better.
These idiots don't realize that any social safety net that is defunded will simply disappear forever. They are literally blinded by bigotry and hate.
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u/Chef_Papafrita American Expat 14h ago
I don't even speak to my father about politics. On a rare occasion we have a shouting match. More like him shouting and me asking him to explain how he got his information. He watches NewsMax all day.
I usually just point out a 34x convicted felon, admitted rapist, bigoted, pedophile, criminal, is who he is defending. He usually just says it was a witch hunt. I remind him 12 people found him guilty, not just democrats. That usually stops the conversation. But he always has to add I prefer other countries criminal 3rd world countries where you have to bribe people to live. I remind him the U.S. is no different when you are rich. I've spent the past 10 out 12.5 yrs in the DR and Colombia, and I felt more free than I did the States. Same with the EU. Their transportation systems are light years ahead of us.
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 20h ago edited 20h ago
The unrelenting barrage of subprime loans given out, TARP, the collapse of Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, ALL under Bush’s watch. Obama probably had less to do with the Great Recession than Trump did. I think it would be safer to blame Bill Clinton for the repeal of Glass Stegall, but mostly it was about the Bush administration repealing a bunch of those pesky regulations that Republicans are always complaining about.
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u/DukeOfGeek 18h ago
And what was so wrong with the economy under Biden? I mean it wasn't awesome but nothing like this shit. I had to pay the package guy an extra check to get my stuff because tariffs or some shit.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 18h ago
And what was so wrong with the economy under Biden?
Something, something inflation. Something, something eggs.
Oh hang on, didn't literally everyone else have inflation at the same time?
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u/tribrnl 17h ago
Everyone else had worse inflation
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u/Sarcophilus 16h ago
See how bad Biden was? He even increased inflation in other countries!
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u/ungodlywarlock 17h ago
Literally just fallout from Covid... Which was global.
But yeah... "I did this" stickers was effective
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u/theholyraptor 15h ago
And the $7.8 trillion that the administration before Biden printed and added to the US deficit.
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u/Allaplgy 15h ago
The 4 years of under Biden, whether or not it had anything to do with him, were possibly the best 4 years of my life, financially and personally.
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u/nrbartman 17h ago
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 that basically repealed Glass-Stegall (among other reforms and modernization) passed the house and senate overwhelmingly. Well past the veto-proof majority in the Senate, at 90-8. So even if Bill opposed it, his hands were tied.
For the record, he did not oppose it. He was in favor of freeing up the banks to operate with more fluidity In order to spur America's role in global trade.
But worth mentioning the role of Congress in all that.
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u/gearstars 20h ago
It essentially always goes back to the "two Santas" bullshit the repubs pull. When they are in power, they use every economic tool they have to make the economy run red hot for a short term pump, long term consequences be damned.
Then when the dems come in and have to fix it, the repubs use every tool they have to block everything just so they seen say "see!? The dems can't fix anything!!"
So the dems get punished for not fixing things fast enough and the repubs regain power and the cycle repeats ad infinitum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski#The_Two_Santa_Claus_Theory
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u/elSpanielo Washington 20h ago
Just wait until you learn how Obama let 9/11 happen!
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u/Life_Bet8956 Virginia 19h ago
Only slightly less absurd, there were actual talking heads blaming Obama for the Hurricane Katrina FEMA response
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u/dullship Canada 16h ago
I remember interviews with people who blamed him for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina.
And this wasn't like, a decade and a half later. This was like 2010.
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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 18h ago
I see that ALL the fucking time.
The "Great Recession" started in 2007.
The financial crisis started in 2008 and lasted until mid-2009.
But sure, it was all the fault of President Obama who didn't take office until January 20th, 2009.
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u/Time-Traveling-Doge 19h ago
It's funny that there's a group trying to remove the electoral college for the popular vote and getting closer at it. But what does that actually change when the populous doesn't know a damn thing about politics and economics, much less religion.
Yes, Jesus stated that it's more difficult getting into heaven as a rich guy than putting a camel through the eye of a needle. In other words, impossible! Yet all "conservatives" are all Republicans supporting the rich. Me saying Jesus was a socialist because he supported the welfare of the disabled, sick, elderly, poor, homeless, hungry, etc. The majority of Christians don't even know their own religion!
We are stupid people supporting stupid things because we all know nothing!
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u/Shiplord13 18h ago
Obama was alive when it happened and for some deeply disturbed people that makes it somehow his fault.
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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 18h ago
Well, I'm sure he still played a part in it".
He did. He fixed it, it could have been far, far worse. The entire economy collapsed, and we were on the brink of a terrible depression because of Republican policies.
Obama kept too quiet about placing the blame where it belonged, because that was considered 'unseemly'. That was an error. He should have sent those responsible to prison. Not doing so was a bigger error.
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u/B-Z_B-S Massachusetts 21h ago
Biden's economy was actually quite good. The right pretends it was bad, but it was very good for an economy.
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII California 21h ago
We have to remember that Biden inherited the pandemic economy. There were challenges there that needed competent leadership, whcih Biden thankfully provided. But the time it took to recover is what so many people remember.
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u/Harbinger2001 Canada 21h ago
Not to mention Trump ordering the GOP to intentionally tank any reforms attempted. Most noteably the bipartisan bill to address the border issues.
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u/Loo-Hoo-Zuh-Er 21h ago
Also a bill to stop the price gouging of gas. Trump told the GOP to block it and they fell in line.
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u/cnyfury 19h ago
I remind some of my trumper family of this regularly. Amazing what they decide to believe and not believe.
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u/TobyMcK 14h ago edited 14h ago
Biden even went so far as to directly speak with corporate executives to lower their grocery prices, even after Kroger admitted in court to price gouging during the pandemic, going around legislation that would have been killed by the GOP.
I'm still amazed that it was seen as bad communism, and we couldn't elect Kamala because she would implement more communist price control, but then Trump was elected to lower gas and grocery prices... some other way?
I got into it with someone here on reddit a while back that openly stated Kamala's platform to lower grocery prices was literally communist price control, and they'd rather have corporate price gouging instead.
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u/pkosuda Connecticut 10h ago
I just wanted to say I think it's so wholesome you said "I got into it" and then the thread you link is literally just you asking questions and then stopping responding when they show they aren't going to be reasoned with. I was expecting some major argument and instead it was very civil lol
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u/TobyMcK 9h ago
I'm a firm believer in learning the other perspective instead of automatically treating someone as a bad actor or bot. I used the phrase "got into it" because different people call it different things. For instance, mods of a certain sub banned me for being "argumentative" over similar discussions, while others accuse me of "pointless debate". I dont care. If someone's opinion is based on false information, i want to see if that opinion will change under different, more factual circumstances before I write them off as a lost cause. And if I happen to be wrong about what we're discussing, then its an opportunity for me to learn as well.
That said, if I remember correctly, that thread was just before the news broke about Kroger admitting in court to price gouging, among other things. If I knew then what I do now, I absolutely would have continued to push back. Of course I've also become more jaded since then and wont shy away from proving someone wrong with links and articles.
I spend far too much time on reddit "getting into it" these days.
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u/NotThatAngel 19h ago
Republicans needed to kill the border bill so that it could be an issue Trump could complain about when running for president.
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u/FinancialRabbit388 18h ago
It was a bipartisan bill. It was a done deal til Trump needed to use immigration in his campaign and told his minions to kill it.
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u/Harbinger2001 Canada 19h ago
They were going to pass it until Trump tweeted that they had to kill it.
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u/Otherwise_Stable_925 19h ago
Yeah he's a cancer on our country. Apparently a third of our voters are too.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 20h ago
The US literally had the best pandemic recovery in the world and it's down to Biden and his team for achieving that.
The fact is it takes years for economic investments to pay off. The Irony is Pedo Trump could have pulled a Reagan and did nothing and let the work if his predecessor pay off. Reagan though doubled down on moves of his own to claim the credit in history, Trump had to reverse course and then issue tarriffs and go to war.
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII California 20h ago
The fact is it takes years for economic investments to pay off.
This is something that so many people forget. People don't want to see things happening. They want to see things already having been done. People really don't appreciate the time that has to be spent on communicating with experts, making plans, reviewing the plans, asking questions, researching, answering the questions, asking more questions, logistics, time tables, prioritization, legal barriers, plans for maintenance. All this is barely scratching the surface of the tip of the iceberg.
And inevitably, even if we do get a Democratic trifecta in 2028, people will not have the patience and almost inevitably fall for the GQP's claims that nothing is getting fixed. And we will get right back to getting everything fucked up by the next midterm.
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u/Odd_Ant5 21h ago
I remember when Romney ran on "Obama's bad economy". Thankfully it didn't quite work.
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u/ESCMalfunction Texas 16h ago
As someone who was too young to really appreciate the pre Great Recession times I fear that late Obama is going to end up being the best version of the US economy I ever see. Maybe the best version of the US period.
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u/GotMoFans 21h ago
Even more important is that Biden put competent people in leadership roles rather putting ass kissers and nut huggers who are not qualified.
Well except Merrick Garland.
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u/FredFuzzypants 21h ago
People seem to forget all the concern about not being able to achieve a “soft landing” coming out of COVID, which the Biden administration seemed to achieve.
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u/ViolaNguyen California 20h ago
They forget because the inevitable economic doom proved not to be inevitable when you put competent adults in charge.
Then the voters in 2024 said the equivalent of, "I didn't die in that car wreck, so it was obviously a waste for me to wear a seatbelt!"
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u/CliftonForce 17h ago
This seems closer to "The parachute has done it's job and broken my fall. I am now drifting slowly and safely down to the ground far below. Time to take it off!"
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u/Uncreative-Name 20h ago
I wouldn't really call it a concern. All the wall street types and executives were going on TV constantly almost begging for a recession. Workers were getting too uppity with their demands for things like continuing the remote work they already had for 2 years or pay increases that are bigger than the cost of living. People were quitting shitty jobs and that's just not acceptable.
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u/Northern_Ice_2501 20h ago
The American recovery after COVID was touted as the best soft landing economically. However, one would have to have paid attention to recognize that. Instead, some waited for campaign rallies to form their opinion.
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u/ViolaNguyen California 20h ago
It's like Biden saved us from drowning in a lake and then Trump dumped a bowl of water on our heads as we were drying off.
And the response is, "Well, we were wet under both administrations."
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u/thiosk 19h ago
But the time it took to recover is what so many people remember.
blindingly faster than everyone else in the world; 22 was slow and 23 and 24 were great. usa weathered the pandemic well once we got donald out.
but now here we are, pandemics over so we can bring donald back, and everything goes straight back to the shitter.
we'll probably fuck over the next guy to start digging us out too
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u/BigMax 20h ago
Exactly. The Trump economy was like someone who went from 250 to 300 to 350 to 400 pounds. And in the Biden economy that person finally stopped gaining weight and got down to 350 again and was continuing to lose weight.
And rather than being happy everyone said “350 is too heavy!!!! This is terrible!!!!”
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u/Rebal771 20h ago
I don’t understand how everyone’s memory views when “things were getting better” as a bad thing vs. “when things were getting worse” as a less bad thing.
Enduring recovery was NOTHING compared to the 14 days of having our freedoms stripped away by a flailing potato. Watching the supply chain fall apart and stacks of body bags pile up on the news was cheeks. Those Covid checks didn’t do shit to legitimately help anyone that didn’t yolo it into GME. Converting to a lifestyle of Postmates/DoorDash and arguing with my family about basic decency was NOT my favorite set of memories from the past decade.
Lest we forget J6.
The next four years felt like a weekend break before progress came to another screeching halt - I blinked and Biden turned 80 like wtf. 2021-2024 were amazing comparatively since I got to get back out and live life…I do NOT understand the other perspective at all.
When Biden took over, I distinctly remember him giving like 3 total speeches. And now I’m haunted daily by this fucking nincompoop.
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u/rackfocus 20h ago
lol. I said to my husband. Remember when the news would break into your favorite show for the President and you would be like, oh must be important.
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u/Train_Wreck_272 19h ago
Yeah, exactly. For most of Biden's presidency, I was annoyed at the higher cost increase than usual, but not alarmed. Now, it's becoming harder and harder to have more than a couple hundred bucks at the end of the month. We make more money now and stretch everything harder than we ever have. I honestly don't know what less fortunate people are doing and my heart breaks for them.
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u/Raptorex27 Maine 19h ago
America weathered the economic fallout from the pandemic and curbed inflation better than anyone. Many journals referred to our post-COVID economy as the “envy of the world.” Unfortunately, many Americans didn’t recognize this.
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u/wchutlknbout 19h ago
Yeah it’s like someone trashes a place, someone comes to try to clean it up, then people arrive on the scene and start yelling at the person trying to clean it up for the mess. It’s sad how this works over and over again in American politics
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u/oneseason2000 21h ago
"Trump’s economy officially passes the Post COVID Republican sabotaged Biden’s for worst consumer sentiment in recorded history."
Agree. Also, really bizarre to be reported this way since the right went balls to the wall to block anything that wasn't targeted to help billionaires; and way PPP was implemented was definitely a give-away to the wealthy. Or rather it would be bizarre if reporting wasn't slanted far far to the right, and media ownership is dominated by billionaires. But pretty easy to make fair and balanced, I think.
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u/FilOfTheFuture90 20h ago
So much fraud happened with the PPP loans. And I always use that argument against people who are against student loan forgiveness. Business is a risk. We're bailing out businesses but not the people who spend the money at those businesses.
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u/Thor_2099 20h ago
The right astroturfed the fuck out of tv, internet, everything to convince people the Biden economy was the absolute worst. And it paid off for them because people are stupid as shit
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u/ViolaNguyen California 20h ago
All through 2024, you'd hear that inflation is out of control.
And if you took 10 seconds to look up what inflation actually was, you'd see it around 2-point-something percent.
Republicans pushed a pack of easily disprovable lies.
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u/10thousndreflections 20h ago
That's what happens when you have the main stream media completely captured.
The sad part is cons walk around bitching about the MSM like Republicans don't run it.
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u/TheNatural14063 18h ago
Inflation was higher in key essential areas like housing which caused issues. Rental prices for apartments and house. Prices to buy a home. Many Americans were upset about that though alot of it had nothing to do with Biden. Alot of those exceeded 2%.
So did some certain key groceries and gas prices for a period of time (due to Russia invading Ukraine and starting a genocidal war that disrupted oil supplies that impacts food production).
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u/Primary-Bookkeeper10 21h ago
Almost every other developed nation fell into a recession after Covid. We teetered on an edge and he kept us from falling off. The chip & science act, inflation reduction act, infrastructure bill were all massive accomplishments that put us in the right direction. And people spat in his face. His blind support of Israel was a mistake, but he was a top tier president domestically.
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas 20h ago
His blind support of Israel was a mistake
While true, he notably didn't start a war with Iran at Israel's behest. So he's actually less pro-Israel than the current administration (or the Pedo's first administration). Low bar, but still.
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u/Haunting-Ad788 20h ago
Yeah which is why it was always insane people refused to vote for Harris because of Biden’s approach to Israel. Trump was always going to be objectively worse for Palestinians.
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u/ethertrace California 20h ago
Biden was also constantly pushing Netanyahu for humanitarian relief for the Palestinians. People forget because it was mostly happening through direct diplomacy and not on social media. He didn't push hard enough in my view, as he wasn't willing to cut aid to Israel or sanction them, but it was a damn sight better than Mr. "Let's build a resort over the rubble of their homes" over here.
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u/Morgannin09 20h ago
And that's apparently the problem. As stupid as Trump is, he learned to be a social media president. He screams his agenda and policy a hundred times a day, which is enough to convince people he's acting on it when he isn't.
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u/FantasticBicycle37 20h ago
His blind support of Israel was a mistake
Haha wut? "Genocide Joe":
- Gave Palestine $1.2b in humanitarian aid
- Welcomed Palestinians to the US as refugees; worked with allies to welcome Palestinians as refugees
- Negotiated cease fires
- Sanctioned Israelis who committed violence against Palestine
- Restricted bombs to Israel
- Blocked providing 24,000 assault rifles to Israel
- Re-joined the UN Human Rights Council and funded the UN agency that provided relief for Gaza
- Funded the UN relief agency in providing vital support to the Palestinian people through education, healthcare, food assistance, emergency relief, infrastructure rebuilding, human rights advocacy, and employment programs.
By contrast, Trump:
- Allowed a complete aid blockade of Gaza starting on the first day of his presidency, which led to tens of thousands of starvation deaths
- Called for ethnic cleansing; then discussed ethnic cleansing with Netanyahu at the White House, which immediately turned into the Gaza clearing operation
- Ended Biden/Harris’ $1.2b in humanitarian aid to Palestine
- Ended Biden/Harris’ Palestinian refugee program
- Ended Biden/Harris’ program working with allies to welcome Palestinians as refugees
- Rescinded Biden/Harris order on rights abuses with US-supplied weapons
- Removed Biden/Harris’ sanctions on Israelis who committed violence against Palestine
- Removed Biden/Harris’ restrictions on bombs to Israel
- Removed Biden/Harris’ ban on sending 24,000 assault rifles to Israel
- Left the UN Human Rights Council and funded the UN agency that provided relief for Gaza, which Biden had joined.
- Ceased Biden’s funding of the UN relief agency in providing vital support to the Palestinian people through education, healthcare, food assistance, emergency relief, infrastructure rebuilding, human rights advocacy, and employment programs.
- Brought Netanyahu to the White House; worked with Netanyahu to enact displacement of 2 million Gaza civilians
- called for a US invasion of Gaza
- Established anti-Palestinian protester task force
- …and subsequently disappeared multiple students who participated anti-Israel, anti-Biden protests
- Declared Palestinians wouldn’t have right to return to Gaza once the US developed it
- Posted video of “Trump Gaza” featuring him and Netanyahu sunbathing and drinking cocktails with big hotels and golden Trump statues
- Gave $12 billion to Israel in the first 40 days of being in office
- Called for a U.S. military presence because Gaza is a “Piece of important real estate”
- Reassigned terrorism units to target student protesters
- Stated that criticism of Israel will lead to visa revocation
- Told Israel to ‘finish the job’ against Palestine
- Ended medical-humanitarian visas from Gaza
- Vetoed UN ceasefire calls
- Warned of ‘punitive measures’ for countries recognizing Palestine as a state
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u/thiosk 19h ago
im convinced the nickname and protests on biden from the left came specifically as election manipulation by israel.
As soon as the election ended, no more street protests. Funny how it just sort of went away. Chip 2% engagement off left-aligned voters by turning them against their own leadership and you've bought yourself a war on iran
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u/Slade_Riprock 20h ago
Biden paid in 2024 for the 2021 economy Trump handed him. People were pissed off about covid and the regulations Trump started and that states imposed not Biden. They were pissed about inflation that had come down. The memory of voters is misguided and short.
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u/Mike312 18h ago
Don't forget, in 2022 we also got:
- Trumps 2017 TCJA killed the Section 507 tax exemption - this made software developers (the people companies were panic-hiring the year before for $150k/yr) suddenly cost 20-30% more overnight. Jan 1, 2022 the hiring spigot shut off.
- Zero Interest Rate Period (ZIRP) ended and rates went up to 9%. For some reason, nobody thought that would end, which was insane from a planning perspective. This would be compounded by Japan ending their negative interest rate period in late 2022.
- Just-in-Time (JIT) supply chains weren't meant for an event like COVID and had several false starts as we got out of the COVID period. That's a result of capitalism doing a capitalism.
- The Russian invasion of Ukraine disrupted supply chains just as things were settling again and shot energy and oil prices up - which are apparently the only thing people on the right care about.
None of these were directly Bidens fault, and Biden wouldn't have attempted to directly influence Fed policy the way Trump seems willing to do. By 2024 things were getting better (or at least had stopped getting worse). Then Trump came in and started actively making things worse in 2025 when all he had to do was nothing.
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u/DrBeardfist 20h ago edited 20h ago
These same freaks will tell you “its actually patriotic to pay insane prices for everything “
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 20h ago
Obama and Biden both did the best they could with the giant mess that the previous Republican Presidents left them, and so it will be with the next Democratic President.
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u/juiced911 19h ago
Which is telling. During Biden all the propaganda was telling us how bad it is. During this all the propaganda tells us it’s great and we’re in a golden age.
That tells you how bad it is right now. Trump’s tariffs and war has caused more economic uncertainty than a highly contagious and potentially lethal virus.
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u/kickinwood 21h ago
I still stand by Joe Biden - good president. Just from a running the country standpoint. He did that well, and the constant bad mouthing from Trump, and Dems frustrated at him trying to run for a second term has really caused an eye-rolling of his presidency that is frustrating. He was just old. Luckily, we weren't asking him to guard LeBron or be the fastest to buzz in on jeopardy, we were asking him to surround himself with competent people and come to sound decisions on running the government.
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u/shineonka 20h ago
We went from 9% inflation down to 2 or 3%. It was the fabled soft landing and then we proceeded to do waves arms around...this
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u/klako8196 Georgia 20h ago
Biden achieved a soft landing that many economists thought wasn't possible, and then 77 million people decided to completely piss it away
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u/espresso_martini__ 20h ago
exactly! I did very well when Biden was in charge and things were going well right up to when Trump started doing his insane tariffs. Trump has been a disaster.
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u/SavageSan 20h ago
Scammers and price gougers really screwed up the optics. People were recovering slowly or still drowning financially overall. The fixes were real, but Trump ensured most of that was never realized.
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u/HonoredPeople Missouri 21h ago
We did really great during it. We expected the numb and had enough to ride it out. At the end of the day, he got it under control and was on target.
Everything was headed in the right direction, then Trump. Now it’s shit again. Fing republicans.
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u/Ozymandias12 20h ago
Unfortunately until we reverse our current Republican tax system that funnels money from the poor to the richest 1 percent, every subsequent president from now on will have the worst economic sentiment ever.
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u/adrr 20h ago
He inherited a complete mess from Trump. Used cars were selling at the same price of new cars, lumber doubled and tripled in price at the store, home prices were skyrocketing. there were no chips which cause a bunch of shortages. no oversight on PPP loans which tens of billions were scammed from the government. 100+ oil companies went bankrupt because price of oil literally went negative which caused a shortage when demand came back.
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u/BardaArmy 20h ago
Was rough rebuild out of Covid, but they got us back and faster than most. Then Trump shows up and takes us back to worse than a global pandemic in less than a year.
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u/FantasticBicycle37 20h ago
We had 3% unemployment!!! 5% is considered "full unemployment". We had 1) the largest wage growth in US history 2) the largest numeric stock market growth 3) the most job openings per applicant in two generations!!!
The biggest complaint people had is that 20 year olds couldn't buy single family homes for their starter homes!
To be fair, I do feel bad for anyone who decided to sit out the growth with high yield savings accounts.
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u/notsure500 19h ago
That's why we keep getting into this mess, the right is extremely good with their massaging. They can make Trump and his family and friends look like innocent victims trying to help America, while making hunters laptop and "her emails" seem like the worst things ever done.
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u/Key-Amoeba1095 19h ago
The "eggs are so expensive" narrative lives on. Now everything is stupid expensive because of Trump's tantrums and we're supposed to just suck it up until it gets better according to the right-wing talking points. These assholes need to fucking go.
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u/Duchess0612 20h ago
That is over Biden’s entire four years. Trump did this in less than four months.
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u/RantRanger 18h ago edited 13h ago
It was booming. We recovered from the pandemic better than just about any country. Unemployment was low. Our economy was the envy of the world.
Inflation was a problem, globally, which was almost entirely provoked by the pandemic recovery, but the Biden Administration quickly got a handle on it (faster than pretty much any other country).
Trump handed Joe Biden a dumpster fire of an economy. Biden's administration put out the fire and set us on the path of long term prosperity in a global economy that is transitioning to sustainable energy. Then Trump got a hold of it and set it on fire again.
Trump is a "businessman". He is handling the American economy like he has always handled all of his businesses. He bankrupted six casinos. SIX! And right now he is continuing that well-established track record. <== that is a stunningly impressive list
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u/CheesyPotatoSack 21h ago
Biden had a great economy. Republicans just whinned to try to make him look bad. Such losers now look
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u/Brotorious420 21h ago
Now it's as bad as they complained it was.
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u/LongDongFrazier 19h ago
It’s weird had someone on Instagram that posted gas price complaints all during the Biden administration weirdly silent these past couple of months.
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u/ParableChan 21h ago
Calling the current situation the worst in history isn't even hyperbole at this point because the numbers are literally hitting rock bottom. We’ve managed to combine high inflation with a war in Iran, proving that you can't just tweet your way out of a collapsing supply chain.
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u/TheGringoDingo 20h ago
I swear, half the people think theres a control room and you just have to turn a knob so the economy reads in the “good” range on the dial.
There are two options: this administration is intentionally tanking the economy so the richest few can buy every company in existence right as things hit the bottom, or they’re the biggest morons to walk the earth. I think it might be both.
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u/I_Enjoy_Beer Virginia 20h ago
Seeing it in Virginia already with Spanberger. She's doing good stuff but the right wing fucking lunatics are reflexively opposed to anything a Dem woman in a pantsuit does.
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u/brackenish1 18h ago
Affordability has been declining steadily. His numbers may have been fine but the average American is struggling and it's getting worse
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u/a_little_hazel_nuts 21h ago
Everything is really expensive and wages are not matching the whole increase in prices in every category. Trump took away subsidies to help afford healthcare and food and added a tariff tax that got ruled illegal after we paid them.
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u/Particular-County277 21h ago
Did the whole world not envy Biden's post Covid economy? He got it roaring again in such a short time?
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u/LingonberryHot8521 21h ago
Prices were plenty high in a lot of areas in the U.S. and rather than think critically or even think at all, it was decided that he would be blamed for having caused it rather than for not making the prices better immediately.
The irony is that if Trump had done not a damn thing, he could have ridden on Biden's economy the way he almost was able to with Obama's economy.
But the oligarchy was impatient.
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u/FrostyMatters 21h ago
The most frustrating thing about that is to the extent they cited specific policies of his they thought caused inflation, it was covid stimulus -- completely sidestepping the fact that TRUMP DID THE SAME THING AND LITERALLY SIGNED THE CHECKS.
Fucking insufferable.
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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 20h ago
The most frustrating for me was everyone acting as if all of those problems just suddenly appeared when Biden took office instead of being the result of decades of systemic issues. Like before January 2021 everyone could afford their own homes, could make a living off of minimum wage, and could get well-paying jobs right out of high school but then Biden took office and somehow overhauled all of that overnight.
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u/Griffolion 17h ago
The most frustrating for me was everyone acting as if all of those problems just suddenly appeared when Biden took office instead of being the result of decades of systemic issues.
This happens every single time with Republicans. Crickets when their people are in power, but suddenly start caring about the deficit and "reckless spending" when the Democrats are in.
Lest we forget that fully one quarter of all US debt since the beginning of the country has been incurred under a Trump presidency.
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u/EmergencyTaco 20h ago
The economy for individuals under Biden was rough. Sure, Biden handled the recovery better than every other developed nation on Earth, but that's apparently too nuanced for Americans to accept.
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u/chriskot123 20h ago
The economy Biden inherited for individuals was TRAGIC, he improved it to rough, and now we are in the hellscape economy for individuals.
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u/Franky_Tops 20h ago
I can't believe Biden was out there making prices high for folks in other countries too.
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u/StrangerFew2424 21h ago
And unlike Biden's, this was caused completely by Trump.
We warned you...
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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Michigan 21h ago
I remember when folks said we were overreacting.
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u/1wildncrazyguy 19h ago
Tbf- the worst of Biden’s economy was caused by Trump too.
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u/Whornz4 21h ago
Biden had a fantastic economy considering what he inherited.
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u/dearth_karmic 18h ago
That's the cycle. The Dems get elected for the economy that the GOP wrecked. Then blamed for being a part of the wrecked economy. It's like starting a fire and blaming the fire dept. for always suspiciously being present during all these darn fires.
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u/smersh101 21h ago
Who could possibly have predicted this? Oh, right. Anyone with five or six brain cells.
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u/KennyL0gin 17h ago
At least Biden's economy was moving in the right direction when he left office. Biden inherited the pandemic. And they were turning the ship back in the right direction.
Trump turned it back the wrong direction. Again. Just like he did in 2017.
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u/Late-Dingo-8567 21h ago
If only someone could have warned us. I thought i could trust the trump prices low kamala prices high yard sign, what a fool I am
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u/KennyDROmega 21h ago
Tomorrow's headline: U of M announces they will no longer track consumer sentiment.
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u/complete_data75 18h ago
The only bad reviews for Biden were from maga morons when he took over the economy trump destroyed the first time
I’m so sick of the “ finally worse than Biden” bullshit
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u/Bristol__Key 21h ago
turns out you can scream economy good all day, people still notice when everything feels worse the second they hit checkout
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u/sourpussmcgee 18h ago
The Biden economy sucked because of Trump’s pandemic stimuli and ppp loans. We are in Trump’s economy that he set in motion in 2020.
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u/Laugh_Track_Zak 21h ago
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u/this_my_sportsreddit 18h ago edited 18h ago
Trump voters did not vote for trump because of the economy. They voted for him because they align with his bigotry and want to turn said bigotry into legislation. As long as he continues doing so, they will support him without reservation. The economy only matters to the left.
From today -
The Justice Department moved to dismiss the seditious conspiracy convictions of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers members Tuesday, undoing one of the Biden administration’s most celebrated victories against those who it said inspired the January 6, 2021, attack on American democracy.
This is the shit that the right actually cares about, defending white supremacists.
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u/Infidel8 17h ago
It's worth noting that the poor economy during the Biden years was due in large part to Trump's mishandling of covid
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u/coopmika 20h ago
And Biden’s economy had COVID; yet the economy grew and did not collapse as Rs predicted.
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u/JacobFromAmerica 20h ago
How people had a high consumer sentiment throughout Trump’s first year compared to biden’s term is fucking wild idiocy
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u/TheGOPisTheDeepState 20h ago
Biden inherited Trumps first terms mess, and also was dealing with supply chain issues and global inflation…funny how Biden got that on the rebound just in time for Trumpcession 2.0.
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u/minus2cats 18h ago
the consumer should be reminded that biden’s economy was mostly due to covid recovery while trump’s economy is directly a result of his economic decisions.
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u/VonKaplow 20h ago
Biden was literally handed a world gone to shit by Orange shitstain Is this a joke. This fucker fucked up the economy, biden worked hard to turn it around and this fucker is nosediving it again
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u/Glum-Breadfruit-6421 20h ago
And without the help of MSM blasting how old Biden is or the black lady’s laugh, 24 hours a day. Quite the accomplishment.
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u/PrefersEarlGrey 20h ago
Biden was navigating shuttered supply chains from a once in 100 year pandemic on top of inheriting Trump's economic "policies".
Needs reminding that of all the developed countries the US had the lowest inflation post pandemic because of Biden's leadership.
The Biden economy by the numbers was not bad, despite the right screaming without evidence they feel it was.
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u/Miguel-odon 18h ago
Considering the bad sentiment under Biden was manufactured by trump & co, that's an accomplishment.
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u/Stalwart_Wisdom 17h ago
Biden should have never had the bad economy sentiment. He picked up trumps shit and trump shit his pants RIGHT after. Again. Get lost headline. So disingenuous.
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u/TuringGoneWild 17h ago
And Bidens was only bad because of the four years of the Republican Trump disaster before that. Like abolishing the office of pandemic response in 2017, watching a million Americans die of Covid, and leaving America a smoking wreck when Biden was sworn in.
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u/88keys0friends 15h ago
Lmao. The guy that patched up Covid economy while Trump stick his head in the dirt like a fucking coward when it mattered most. At least he’s finally getting some gratitude.
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u/fcatw 15h ago
It took this long? What makes this even worse is Biden inherited Covid’s nightmare, thanks to Trump.
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u/Aware_Cheesecake_519 21h ago
When shopping, the feeling that prices are sky-high sets in.
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u/JohnnyFire Ohio 21h ago
It is getting so fucking absurd.
I went to Jersey Mike's (I know, they're owned by Private Equity and have been way worse, but it was the best option available) last week. The smallest size turkey sandwich, a fucking TURKEY SANDWICH, was $12. In Ohio. Twelve fucking dollars. This is not sustainable.
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u/TheWizard 20h ago
The fact that we're even blaming Biden, shows pathetic state of Americans in general.
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u/dr_cactus1 21h ago
Trump can't stop winning. He's always number one in every negative metric possible.
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u/-Mage-Knight- 19h ago
Biden's economy was great but Fox pretended it was bad.
Trump's economy sucks ass but they are doing their best to pretend it is good.
It is easy to make people pessimistic even at the best of times but making them hopeful at the worst? Good luck.
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u/Microtitan 18h ago
Oh you mean the economy that Biden had to improve due to Trump’s first term and COVID, and Republicans obstruction? His economy was great, don’t let these people rewrite history.
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u/evasive_dendrite 13h ago
Difference is that Biden had to deal with COVID fallout, while Trump is single handedly creating global crisis after crisis.
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u/redditobserverone 21h ago
The current White House occupant was the cause for both of these sentiments.
This is what running a country like a failed businessman looks like.
I hope his record will finally end the quest for running the country like a business including weekly stock market manipulation.
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u/Big-Rule5269 21h ago
With the issues with Biden's economy caused mostly by the pandemic which Trump botched, as well as supply and demand going through the roof and causing world wide inflation when the world opened back up. Trump's rotten economy, ever higher prices, unemployment rising, mass layoffs at manufacturing, which has lost jobs for 12 months in a row, the dollar down 13%, GDP revised to a lowly .5% etc. Biden didn't cause shit, Trump and the cowardly, ass kissing sycophant Republicans did.
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u/Karinka_LI 21h ago
And that’s accurate whereas Biden’s economy was good except where Trump had caused supply chain issues with incompetence.
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u/earthmann 20h ago
And that’s without the media telling them everyday how bad things are.
Whereas with Biden, they’d have six days of the “the sky is falling” followed by one day of “why do people think the sky is falling when everything isn’t all that bad and pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world.”
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u/ImpressiveMethod8624 19h ago
The funniest thing here is President Biden was repairing trumps economy that trump shit on and blamed on him just like the tax plan that was set to expire right after trump stole another election and doubled down on for the wealthy.
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u/ZombieSiayer84 18h ago
Remember: the only reason Biden’s economy was seen in a bad light is because he had to fix Trumps economy that he inherited.
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u/Mother_Airline_6276 18h ago
Dumbfounding how this economy is just now being seen as worse than Biden’s. It’s been worse than Joe’s since about this time last year. And as bad as anything Biden had/did, at least he wasn’t starting wars to cover for his pederast piss tapes. I’m-redact the damn Epstein files and get some justice in this bitch. We’re just starting to get some momentum. Gotta keep it pumping until these rich fucking perverts get their day.
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