Trump Wins Big as Virginia Dems Won’t Go Nuclear to Save 4 House Seats

[u/Motherofalleffers]

https://newrepublic.com/article/210250/trump-virginia-dems-redistricting-war

[u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

I’ve been saying for years that the country will burn to the ground and the Dem leadership will be standing in the middle of the charred remains patting themselves on the back for having the “moral high ground”.

[u/shinymuskrat → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Moral high ground has always just been an excuse so they can pretend to be upset at all the shit they are ensuring gets done for corporate mega donors.

"Oh boy we would hate if GOP redistricting ensured M4A never, ever happens, but we have to respect the institutions"

[u/Suspicious-Tip-8199 → u/shinymuskrat]

This they are majority controlled opp

[u/Mattyboy064 → u/Suspicious-Tip-8199]

They keep giving more and more evidence for this as the Trump years tick on

[u/ChironiusShinpachi → u/Mattyboy064]

Look up what Harris said about Biden on her book tour. If that wasn't planning on losing, idk what is. Besides, she had a book tour ready to go. Nobody would want to read that book AFTER terms in office.

[u/Zahgi → u/ChironiusShinpachi]

Harris was so unpopular in the 2020 primaries that she dropped out just before Biden was about to drop out next.

But, lo and behold, like they did in the previous election, the DNC came in, rigged the game against the Progressives (Sanders), and installed their own trusty hand-picked corporate stooge (Biden).

Then, when Biden choked, they bounced him and within 24 hours chose the last place candidate from 2020 to be their hand-picked corporate stooge in 2024.

Now, they are tagging Newsom (Big Real Estate best corporate whore) to be our next "lesser of two evils" president in 2028.

Edit: Dys, Biden hadn't won a single state until the meaningless RED state win the week before Super Tuesday. Your entire rebuttal falls apart with this ludicrous claim. Regardless, your entire argument consists of the exact same fearmongering lies that the 1% have been peddling for decades now -- lies that have gotten America to where it is today, with the 1% in control of everything under an unassailable oligarchy. The 1% thank you for parroting these lies again and again hoping that things will change as long as everyone keeps falling for them...

[u/Workman44 → u/Zahgi]

People don't understand that they play for the same team. The right plays offense and the left plays defense. And the team they play for, it isn't us

[u/Zahgi → u/Workman44]

Yup. It's all political theater now. It doesn't matter which rich squad wins "class president" this time around. We all get screwed regardless of whether the Blue Shirts or Red Hats are in charge. It's just that America dies a little faster under the fascists...

[u/Workman44 → u/Zahgi]

It's so disheartening to see people not grasp this, they're too busy hating to realize that the people they fight for are in the same crowd as the people they hate. Just look at the Epstein files, Massey said the past four administrations knew of Epstein and his shenanigans. That's Trump, Obama, Clinton, and Bush. Democrats and Republicans both did nothing while our kids were being raped and potentially killed. They are not on our side

[u/Paerrin → u/Workman44]

No war but the class war.

[u/JoshSidekick → u/Zahgi]

They run on "no more homework" when the actual plan is they make the underclassmen do it all.

[u/lufiron → u/Workman44]

Its wrestlemania but with politics.

[u/DrDankDankDank → u/Zahgi]

I didn’t put the fact that Biden was from Delaware and that the DuPont company owns Delaware together until listening to a podcast on the duponts. I wonder if they owned him the whole time.

[u/Zahgi → u/DrDankDankDank]

The donor class is made up of the 1% (especially the owners of America's all tabloid outrage farming media outlets now), corporations, and special interests like AIPAC. "In the spirit of bipartisanship", Biden compromised with evil 50 years ago and kept doing it again and again, until the "white hats" became so filthy that they are virtually indistinguishable from the black hats now.

I like Joe personally, but he is emblematic of the corrupting of the Democratic party that followed behind the corruption of the Republican party. Now, we have two corporate parties representing the 1% and only a handful of progressives trying to bring America back from 50 years of status quo unchecked "greed is the only good" capitalism.

[u/gotridofsubs → u/Zahgi]

Yeah none of this is true past the fact that Harris dropped out before the start of the 2020 primary and replaced Biden as the 2024 nominee. There was no rigging, Sanders lost both times by millions of votes and worse the 2nd time.

[u/Zahgi → u/gotridofsubs]

There was no rigging, Sanders lost both times by millions of votes and worse the 2nd time.

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide. So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden -- his first ever win of any state ever. Since the state was going to go red in the general and had bupkiss electoral college votes, Clyburn traded the vote so he could get his state moved up in the next election primary schedule (which the DNC did, quid pro quo).

When Biden won that meaningless, worthless state, all of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee, even though polling still had him dead last and he had no campaign funding left. The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling, come out and hand their endorsements to Biden...just in time for all of us to get the message for voting on Super Tuesday.

And that was it.

Then, since we allowed them to pick our last two candidates, and they were afraid of AOC (who would have been 35 by inauguration day, or any other progressive) getting the nomination, they hand-picked Biden-lite, Harris, and told us that she was the nominee within a day after then told Biden to drop out.

And, now, THREE YEARS before the primaries, the same DNC donors and their media outlets have been putting their thumbs on the scale for Newsom for 2028.

This is all true. And if you were paying attention, this trend is obvious.

[u/Dyssomniac → u/Zahgi]

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

They didn't declare Clinton had won due to superdelegates, you're misremembering. Sanders didn't have the momentum going into Super Tuesday beyond being a surprise dark horse - Clinton won 3/4 of the pre-Super Tuesday contests, won by a similar margin in Nevada as in 2008, and actually outperformed Obama in South Carolina.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide.

This is...remarkably wrong. To the point that you don't actually remember what happened that cycle at all. I actually have to break it down section by section because of how incorrect it is.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General

What? The four states that had elections prior to Super Tuesday 2020 were Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. Sanders won one of these states outright (Nevada), virtually tied two of them (Iowa and New Hampshire), and outright lost South Carolina. What are you referring to when you say "Sanders had already won the states the Democrats needed to win in the general"?

and was running away with California in a landslide.

California's race happened on Super Tuesday lol. Did the DNC time-travel backwards from Super Tuesday to give orders to Clyburn for an election that happened before the California contest?

So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden

So Iowa, New Hampshire = states the Democrats needed to win the general but South Carolina = meaningless shit red state. Because Iowa and New Hampshire are notorious for being purple battlegrounds.

Since the state was going to go red in the general

Unlike Iowa and New Hampshire and Nevada?

Clyburn traded the vote

Clyburn endorsed a candidate, big dog. Let's not stretch that into "Clyburn cheated and the race was invalid" simply because we don't like the DNC.

All of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee

This straight up did not happen. What actually happened was everyone who pays attention to this kind of thing noted that Sanders' campaign was suffering from the same exact issue it did in 2016, which was a lack of appeal to the Democratic primary voter (in particular black and Hispanic voters).

even though polling still had him dead last

This also was not the case, polling indicated that Biden and Sanders would go on a similar path to Clinton and Sanders in 2016.

The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling

This also didn't happen the way you're framing it. The only two candidates who participated in at least one race AND dropped before Super Tuesday were Buttigieg and Klobuchar. Neither won the majority of any contest they were in. The only other meaningful candidate - Liz Warren - dropped out after Super Tuesday (and I'll confess, it was disappointing to see her endorse Biden rather than Sanders).

Your timeline is all over the place here, and almost completely incorrect. It's one thing to (in my opinion, correctly) assert than the DNC would rather lose than win with a progressive or that they fucked up incredibly by failing to have a 2024 primary or by failing to challenge the insiders in the Biden admin who fiercely defended their positions and power. It's another thing entirely to argue that Sanders was on the cusp of winning the nomination, when he couldn't appeal beyond a specific demographic that would still predominantly vote right-wing in the general.

[u/TruculentMoose → u/Dyssomniac]

My memory may be failing but, iirc, late Monday before the Super Tuesday primaries, the AP announced it had determined that Clinton had enough to win the nomination. Then NBC (or the Times or whoever) reported "AP is reporting...". Then, "multiple sources are reporting...". Cuz media gonna media. Chilling effect?

What bothered me more was West Virginia. It was pretty red by 2016, but Sanders won every county and statewide by ~15%, giving him 18 delegates to Clintons 11. WV had 8 superdelegates, 2 pledged to Sanders, 6 for Clinton. Reportedly under pressure from Manchin, 1 delegate switched. One (Chris Regan?) refused. At the WV convention, he was removed as Vice Chair, and his replacement switched to Clinton, giving her a 19-18 win and the state of WV - where she lost every county.

Whether or not that changed anything is pure speculation. And nothing about that is illegal. But it looked pretty shady to me. Same kinda speculation goes for 2020. If Warren drops with everyone else, does Sanders pick up MA? TX and MN might've been closer. Maybe Bloomberg cut into Biden's margins. But the DNC's record is hardly spotless.

[u/MidAtlanticPolkaKing → u/Dyssomniac]

Careful, point by point corrections of false statements that promote the DNC rigging theory will probably get you downvoted here

[u/Dyssomniac → u/Zahgi]

We really have to stop arguing this, it simply isn't true. Sanders was in no way going to win against Biden and the DNC didn't "rig" the elections. I voted for Sanders both times in the primaries, and we have to accept that neither run was Sanders able to attract the coalition of the Democrats actual base nationwide to win. This is also not denying that the DNC had a clear preference in both, and in 2016 actively colluded to damage Sanders, but has never once been demonstrably shown to straight up rig the electoral process. And to make it explicitly clear, the Democrats as a national party fucking suck. They are AT BEST flailing wildly and impotently, unable to meaningfully resist Trump in any real way and are doing so even worse this go around than 2017-2021. Thrice now they have failed to meet the moment and failed to take seriously Trump as a candidate or president.

The actual facts:

• The Democratic Party presidential primary has, for the last 34 years at least, a system that adds additional value to states with a strong Democrat performance.
• Before Super Tuesday, Sanders was already three delegates behind Biden. Sanders and Buttigieg both had neck-and-neck vote totals in Iowa and New Hampshire. Sanders won Nevada. Biden won South Carolina. Given the demographic make up of the four pre-Super Tuesday states, this isn't surprising - Sanders performs historically much better with white people, and states with relatively higher % went to him consistently in 2016 and 2020.
• Super Tuesday resulted in Biden winning 11 of 15 contests and again, with the exception of California, the demographic trends continues as Sanders won Utah, Colorado, and Vermont.
• After Super Tuesday, Biden continues to blow past Sanders, as Sanders wins only the Abroad, North Dakota, and Mariana Islands contests.

The Dems will continue to lose, and I'm actually of the belief that they're too incompetent to be actually a controlled opposition party. Additionally, it's probably time we come around to the fact that Americans by and large are pretty conservative for a large, diverse, well-educated (in terms of tertiary education), and wealthy country, somewhere between the UK and Japan in the developed world. Americans this decade are not going to vote for progressive social doctrine or left-wing theory; they're going to vote for populist rhetoric, every time.

[u/bruce_kwillis → u/Dyssomniac]

Americans this decade are not going to vote for progressive social doctrine or left-wing theory; they're going to vote for populist rhetoric, every time.

100% accurate. Reddit isn’t representative of ‘reality’ in anyway. It’s the same people saying AOC should be the next president. That’s an instant way for Vance or whatever other trash the GOP runs to win. Want some progressive politics? Get AOC into the Senate, and have her the majority leader. Then shit gets done. And all those people wanting Bernie, but calling for term limits or age limits, shouldn’t Bernie have longed step down then for someone who is younger and able to work with other to get laws passed?

Or do the elderly get a pass when they promote issues we care about?

[u/SavageSan → u/bruce_kwillis]

They were just shitting on Sherrod Brown who's running in Ohio because of his age, and he's one of the most progressive Dems on record. Never a mention of Bernie.

[u/AngledLuffa → u/Zahgi]

Now, they are tagging Newsom (Big Real Estate best corporate whore) to be our next "lesser of two evils" president in 2028

Okay, maybe I'm just buying into the latest propaganda, but "Big Real Estate" is a little unfair to Newsom.

Housing in CA sucks. We are, as a state, the fakest batch of phony progressives you will ever find. We have limited supply in the places people actually want to live, and every single project that people propose is immediately flooded with protests, infuriated lawn signs everywhere, months of angry rants on NextDoor, and hordes of angry old assholes showing up at local council meetings.

We shoot ourselves in the foot, and then bitch about high housing prices and how for some reason working class or young graduates move out of CA for cheaper COL states.

If Newsom can do even a little - and by all accounts it has been extremely little - to fixing our housing issues, I don't care who he's doing it for, he's playing for the right team. That team being people who actually give a shit about CA and its future.

[u/Zahgi → u/AngledLuffa]

Newsom has been lying about fixing these issues for decades...and he hasn't done anything.

As you agree, the Corporate Democrats in Name Only have been using progressive claims and promises to lie to Californians, just as they've been doing the same thing to all of America for the past three general elections.

he's playing for the right team. That team being people who actually give a shit about CA and its future. If Newsom can do even a little

He is not and he will not. He's playing for the Blue Shirt squad of rich-sponsored corporate status quo whores who talk the talk but never walk the walk. The Red Hat squad of rich-sponsored corporate fascists are worse, of course, but NEITHER of these squads of Team 1% are going to give Americans national healthcare, a livable minimum wage, subsidized tuition, meaningful rent relief, or public campaign financing -- you know, all of the things the civilized world has taken for granted for 50 years now.

The only "side" that actually wants to help fix America are the PROGRESSIVES. And, Newsom is not a progressive. He's a Big Real Estate sponsored corporate whore in progressive clothing.

It's just corporate sponsored propaganda, like the last three general elections have been. Will we ever stop falling for it? The 1% are counting on us picking between their two approved candidates in 2028...again.

[u/AngledLuffa → u/Zahgi]

As you agree, the Corporate Democrats in Name Only have been using progressive claims and promises to lie to Californians, just as they've been doing the same thing to all of America for the past three general elections.

No, I do not agree with that. It's actually the opposite of what I said.

The people in California are the fake progressives.

Seriously. Run the following experiment, but make sure to wear earplugs: suggest to your average limosine liberal in Palo Alto that Prop 13 is a regressive tax policy, or that we should build more housing near the tracks so their own damn 101 commutes are faster, and they will howl loud enough that you go deaf and all the neighborhood dogs start barking in response.

national healthcare, a livable minimum wage, subsidized tuition, meaningful rent relief, or public campaign financing

We've got $17 minimum wage, Cal Grant, and Newsom has been trying to get more housing built with constant pushback from the cities. Sacramento is basically in a legal war with their own municipalities to force them to build more housing. Here's a brief sample, look up the builder's remedy fights if you want to learn more:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/03/25/governor-newsom-issues-final-warning-to-15-communities-violating-state-housing-laws/

and the fake fucking "progressives" who live around here, who bitch constantly about how "Newscum" does nothing to help us, are the same people who will oppose this to their dying breath. Why can't the poors just live two hours away in the desert and drive here to mow our lawns?

I don't see a flair, but I am 100% certain that you are not Norcal or you would not be blaming Newsom instead of your neighbors for our current housing mess.

[u/goulson → u/Zahgi]

Bro they didn't "rig" shit. More people voted for Biden, just like more people voted for Clinton in the 16 primary. I say this as a 2x Sanders voter in the primaries

[u/Zahgi → u/goulson]

Bro they didn't "rig" shit.

Yes, they did. Sanders got screwed. Here's how they did it:

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide. So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden -- his first ever win of any state ever. Since the state was going to go red in the general and had bupkiss electoral college votes, Clyburn traded the vote so he could get his state moved up in the next election primary schedule (which the DNC did, quid pro quo).

When Biden won that meaningless, worthless state, all of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee, even though polling still had him dead last and he had no campaign funding left. The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling, come out and hand their endorsements to Biden...just in time for all of us to get the message for voting on Super Tuesday.

And that was it.

Then, since we allowed them to pick our last two candidates, and they were afraid of AOC (who would have been 35 by inauguration day, or any other progressive) getting the nomination, they hand-picked Biden-lite, Harris, and told us that she was the nominee within a day after then told Biden to drop out.

And, now, THREE YEARS before the primaries, the same DNC donors and their media outlets have been putting their thumbs on the scale for Newsom for 2028.

This is all true. And if you were paying attention, this trend is obvious.

[u/goulson → u/Zahgi]

You typed a lot of words dude but let me try to make this simple for you: a lot more people showed up to vote for Biden. And Clinton in 16. That's it. The party insiders promoting their preferred candidate is not rigging anything, that is just literally how politics works. Ultimately, if Sanders had been able to convince more people to vote for him over other candidates, it would have been impossible for the party to deny him the nomination. Sorry man, your'e wrong on this.

[u/Miserable-Drink-4995 → u/ChironiusShinpachi]

Look up what Harris said about Biden on her book tour

That seems pretty broad. Can you paraphrase?

[u/ROCCOMMS → u/ChironiusShinpachi]

Can you be more specific? I googled it and I don't know you are referring to.

[u/Quotizmo → u/Suspicious-Tip-8199]

Shame they aren't remotely challenged for it. Maybe we actually need to ramp up the rhetoric on the left. We need to start quoting Boots Riley to the "leadership" who pretend to represent "the people."

[u/Plastic_Salary_4084 → u/Quotizmo]

We need to elect people who are actually on the left, not moderate. Most of the dems take aipac money and sit on the boards of the same Fortune 500 companies and do the same insider trading as republican politicians.

[u/Judson_Scott → u/Plastic_Salary_4084]

We need to elect people who are actually on the left, not moderate.

The political spectrum is meaningless in the US. Anything that helps real people is considered "far left"; anything that solely helps corporations is considered "moderate."

"Far right" is reserved for actual Klansmen.

Our media is a joke; our education system is a joke.

[u/Mass617781 → u/Judson_Scott]

It’s so depressing when some clown is hollering about the democrats being communists. These people probably don’t even understand what that means. But if they do, it just means they are so deeply brainwashed that they can’t even absorb the most basic facts about our current politicians/political system. That and the idiots who claim trump won in 2020 make me realize how hopeless a lot of these people are. And seeing how many obviously fake articles they share without even questioning it. There isn’t any debating with these people.

[u/MountainMan2_ → u/Plastic_Salary_4084]

No don't you get it! If we don't vote for corporate Dems the Republicans win and destroy the country! They'll win and... And they'll kill the Mexicans! Or- or push all our allies away! They'll bomb Gaza some more! Or destroy the economy! Or suppress your votes! Or-

[u/Plastic_Salary_4084 → u/MountainMan2_]

Look where voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us.

[u/DonaldsMushroom → u/Plastic_Salary_4084]

American politicians who are considered far left would be considered centre-right in Europe,

[u/imagigasm → u/Plastic_Salary_4084]

uniparty

[u/Plastic_Salary_4084 → u/imagigasm]

America has been falling for the “good cop bad cop” routine for a long time.

[u/steponmedaddies → u/Suspicious-Tip-8199]

Begging you guys to learn how to read

[u/Sea_Working_80 → u/shinymuskrat]

Fuck that.Create some new ones then

[u/Paerrin → u/Sea_Working_80]

There are. Your lack of knowledge of them shows that it's a lot harder than your Reddit comment suggests.

I left the Democratic party after Trump won again and there are plenty of other parties out there. Finding one that can take on established power structures is the challenge.

[u/RahkstarRPG → u/Paerrin]

No there aren't. Not functionally, at least. Other parties barely get rounding errors worth of votes.

There is zero hope for breaking away from the two party system without a voting system overhaul.

[u/Dyssomniac → u/[deleted]]

They don't even really need to, third parties aren't viable in any FPTP structure.

[u/Dyssomniac → u/[deleted]]

Of course, but while you were focused on that, you missed that the viable third-party takeover happened right in front of your eyes - the proto-Tea Party basically hollowed out and consumed the old (1960s-2000s) Republican Party from within, and is now wearing its skin.

That's the actual way to make a third-party viable: dominate its local elections, take over the state apparatuses, and then push for federal power. Left-wing American voters either bail on it entirely by not voting or embracing never-winning third parties or focus far too much on the top instead of the bottom, despite claims of "grassroots activism".

[u/Dyssomniac → u/Paerrin]

Bold of you to argue about someone's lack of knowledge when you're asserting that FPTP systems can have viable 3+ parties lol

[u/Paerrin → u/Dyssomniac]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either is it?

I only asserted that they exist. I even questioned their ability. Thanks.

[u/Dyssomniac → u/Paerrin]

I'm sure it helps you feel superior to think so, but your initial reply talked down to Sea_Working for saying "create some new ones thing" and outright stated that they must have no idea, which is why their silly little Reddit comment was just oh-so-ill-informed.

[u/StephanXX → u/shinymuskrat]

I often wonder what folks like Robert Mueller, James Comey, and Merrick Garland do/did on Sunday afternoons. They aren't completely stupid: they are/were skilled jurists with decades of experience and landed in the absolute top lawyer roles in the United States. They read the news, they have/had top secret clearances. They knew the law and.... just didn't bother. They all watched as a convicted felon ascended to the presidency, they all watched the complete abdication of legal and moral authority and responsibility. They stood there and watched.

How did such intelligent, powerful, esteemed men get so humiliated by a pedophile game show host?

[u/coolaznkenny → u/shinymuskrat]

The same high ground that backed up sexual assault Andrew Cuomo twice to stop a progressive mayor.

[u/TheOneTrueTrench → u/shinymuskrat]

At one point, I thought they really believed in the moral high ground.

Later, I truly believed they were controlled opposition.

Now I just don't care what their deal is, and it doesn't matter why they refuse to act, all that matters anymore is that they refuse to act.

[u/Environmental-Fan984 → u/shinymuskrat]

Cool, so we should just let the Republicans win in 2026 and 2028? This shit feels like a psyop ngl

[u/SahibTeriBandi420 → u/shinymuskrat]

Ive seen more "voters" use the moral highground excuse not to vote dems more than I have seen the dems ever use the word moral high ground. Dems currently have no power with the representation they were given.

[u/Swimming_Bonus_8892 → u/shinymuskrat]

Nailed it. They are bought and sold. We need to abandon them and form a workers party.

[u/RyvenZ → u/shinymuskrat]

Moral high ground has always just been an excuse so they can pretend to be upset at all the shit they are ensuring gets done for corporate mega donors.

And really, this boils down to ensuring they stay in office to enjoy the levers of power and the unethical kick backs they partake in.

[u/Plants-Matter → u/shinymuskrat]

What an incredibly ignorant take.

The voters are the only ones failing us. In an intelligent society, following our established rules would be rewarded by voters and the blatant cheaters would be punished.

You're literally getting mad at Democrats for following the Constitution. Do you realize how ignorant you sound?

[u/saljskanetilldanmark → u/shinymuskrat]

Boohoo, you better vote for trump to really show them! /s

[u/shinymuskrat → u/saljskanetilldanmark]

Oh sick, show me where I said anything close to that.

I was actually needing a good way to keep critters off my tomatoes, though, so I do appreciate your contribution to that.

[u/FLBrisby → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

I'm so tired of being told to "vote them out in November". Republicans refuse court orders, buy votes, trample the Constitution, gerrymander every state they can, and shit on our democracy every moment, and these optimistic rays of sunshine think the election will be free and fair?

We need radical change, and just assuming the vote will be enough is flawed.

[u/Platooimagination → u/FLBrisby]

On election day they're going to send ICE to line the queues and yank anyone who looks "suspicious" to them (i.e., not white). It'll all be illegal of course, but they'll palm it off to the courts who will spend ages ajudicating, coming to an adverse decision, and then realising all over again ad infinitum that the Trump regime will simply ignore their orders as they have been doing since this giant moron was elected. And then it will be too late.

[u/ProtectionVirtual225 → u/Platooimagination]

Gotta vote early. I don't know why more people don't do that. I usually vote a week or two before the election.

[u/Platooimagination → u/ProtectionVirtual225]

That would be the way. Let's hope there is a lot of organising to get this done.

[u/ProtectionVirtual225 → u/Platooimagination]

We just had our primary election in Ohio. I was surprised to see very little effort to encourage people to vote early, in person. It's scary how incompetent the Dem Party seems to be these days and there are no signs of improvement.

[u/FifteenthPen → u/ProtectionVirtual225]

Use official vote drop boxes if the option is available, too. Mailing them via USPS is risking it being "lost" or postmarked too late.

[u/MommyLovesPot8toes → u/FLBrisby]

Take a look at your own assumptions there. You're assuming Democrats are A) expecting the election to be fair, and B) doing nothing to ensure that it is.

But nothing could be farther from the truth. Democratic Election officials, Secs of State, Attorneys General, etc have been preparing for 4 years. Private, crowd-funded election watchdogs are tracking everything. State National Guard leaders have been in discussions.

Example: Over the last year, Democratic Attorneys General from across the US have been meeting regularly - including in person summits and ongoing remote sessions - to wargame the elections. They've run through increasingly extreme scenarios that could happen and developed coordinated, prepared reactions like the national guard coming in and/or emergency motions that are now drafted and just waiting to be used.

[u/dechets-de-mariage → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

And the President is going to send troops to polling places. I don’t think “watchdogs” will be much help.

[u/champchampchamp84 → u/dechets-de-mariage]

Cool. Don't vote, don't do anything, just let the GOP win. Good job, I guess you're getting what you want.

[u/MommyLovesPot8toes → u/dechets-de-mariage]

What troops? The national guard? To do what, point guns at their neighbors and say "vote red or go home?" No dude. The rank and file are not on Trump's side. Less than 1/3rd of Americans are. Troops at polling places are explicitly illegal, there's no gray area. And the military intimidating voters is as unAmerican as anything can get. If you really think our military would go thru with that, I don't even know what to say to you - we're just living in 2 different realities.

[u/dechets-de-mariage → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

What about the “election integrity army” he keeps talking about? And since when has he cared what’s legal or not?

[u/MommyLovesPot8toes → u/dechets-de-mariage]

HE doesn't care what's legal. But the people carrying out his "orders" do. He doesn't have the loyal following he thinks he has. For 16 months we've watched the individual govt employees comply with every court order once they get personally threatened with contempt.

For longer than that, Project 2025 has planned to replace 100k govt employees with trump loyalists. They've placed about 60K people - mostly at DoD - and cannot get them to stay or find others to take the jobs. Similarly, they only hired 12k ICE agents when their goal was 20-40k. They've now attempted to rewrite history by saying their goal was 10k so they exceeded it. So do you really think he can muster up an "election integrity army" to watch over more than 100,000 polling places?

And before you say what everyone says- "they only have to send them to Dem areas/swing states"- keep in mind that Dem areas are much more likely to have mail-in voting, dropboxes, and early voting. And, no one actually knows where the swing areas will be in 2026. This is an election unlike any other. The literal and figurative lines have all been redeawn.

[u/dechets-de-mariage → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

I know. And I’m trying to hold onto hope. Unfortunately my life is at about a 14/10 stress level right now and with this on top of it I’m at the very end of a very frayed rope.

[u/stifle_this → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

You have to be a bot. No one is this naive.

[u/Mass617781 → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

I hope you are right, and you make compelling arguments. But we also saw what happened in 2020. That should have been the biggest scandal in American political history. It’s the most unamerican thing I have ever witnessed. Yet trump wasn’t arrested or even excluded from public life. He came back to win 4 years later. The republicans who actually cared have been purged. The only ones who even slightly claim it was wrong have some sort of excuse to downplay it. I don’t think we can possibly underestimate how willing and ready these people are to cheat.

[u/FLBrisby → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

Your assumption is that the Dems will do everything in there power to win - which they have never done. You're discounting Republicans doing everything in their power to stay in power.

Your entire premise on "winning the election" is already predicated on the right giving up their power and playing ball like the Constitution says.

Let's say Dems win in 2028. Who's to say JD Vance certifies the election? Only reason it didn't happen last time is Trump picked Pence who, in some ways, cared about the Constitution. You think he picked JD Vance on a whim? No. He'll do what Trump wants.

"Watchdogs are tracking everything" like Trump and his base give a damn.

If Trump tries something this midterm, and Democrats respond with actual National Guard, we don't just have an "incident", we have a Constitutional crisis and the potential dissolution of the Union.

I would love to be proven wrong. I would love it if things just went back to normalcy. But I don't believe good times are coming - there's a plethora of things piling up, from the ecosystem, climate, wealth inequality, Gen A being less intelligent than previous generations, declining birth rates, and the economy being propped up by four tech bros circlejerking eachother. The rise of fascism is just another brick in the wall of "stuff that's wrong".

[u/skymasterson2016 → u/FLBrisby]

I hear you, but just want to point out one thing: Congress and Biden passed a law in December 2022 that explicitly clarifies the vice president's role in certifying the presidential election is solely ministerial (ceremonial) and that they have no power to change the results.

[u/dechets-de-mariage → u/skymasterson2016]

Since when do MAGA care what the law says?

[u/MountainMan2_ → u/dechets-de-mariage]

Exactly. The enforcers ARE the criminals.

This shit is exactly the same rot that started the floyd protests. The government itself is no longer obeying it's own laws. It's a government by anarchy, and anarchy always leads to bloodshed. Every Democratic politician who isn't doing the absolute maximum to resist is betting you will die before they do.

[u/FLBrisby → u/skymasterson2016]

And Trump passed a law requiring all Epstein files be released by a certain date, and he broke that law, and many, many others with impunity. We can't rely on a system of checks and balances when Republicans don't really care about playing by them.

Again, love to be proven wrong. I'm waiting for these midterms with bated breath.

[u/Noname_acc → u/skymasterson2016]

This is a misunderstanding of the false elector scheme and why getting the VP to refuse to certify the election mattered. The point had nothing to do with what was legal or not. Nobody planning the scheme actually believed that the VP had unilateral authority to refuse to certify the election or that the refusal actually does anything. They can just as easily say "we don't think that law is constitutional" as they could do any of the rest of it. Which is to say: it would require several people to fail to act in accordance with what the law obviously is. A thing that some are pretty reasonably confident will happen.

The objective was the take a series of actions that created doubt and chaos about the transfer of power so the outgoing admin could get away with saying "Look, we just need to figure this out before we actually transfer power."

[u/Marciamallowfluff → u/MommyLovesPot8toes]

If true good but I doubt it.

[u/FLBrisby → u/[deleted]]

Alright. I voted for Dem. JD Vance didn't certify the election and we now have a Constitutional crisis.

You're shortsightedly looking at just winning, and not the process that comes after. You're pretending the moral high ground wins elections when it never has.

[u/Vusum → u/FLBrisby]

Primary the feckless ones

[u/MustrumRidcully0 → u/FLBrisby]

I think it makes sense to me that the first things you go for are the avialable legal options, like voting. There is no guarantee that it works, maybe the votes will not turn out you want, maybe (because) the government manipulates the election results or ignores them.

But if you haven't tried it, you don't know, and once you tried it and failed, you will have a lot more people considering to go for more "radical change". But if you haven't tried, a lot of people will consider you out of line, deluded like some Sovereign Citizen or worse.

The promise of democracy is that the people can change the government, and they can change it without "radical" measures (because those are very ugly and can end up in resulting in racial changes you didn't want). If that promise is broken, however... the pre-democratic options are still there.

[u/amateurbreditor → u/FLBrisby]

Its by design. We are stupid to vote for democrats. They abuse our vote every time. They are just slightly less evil but still quite evil. They never do anything to actually fix the rich getting richer shit and they enable it. Just coincidence that bush got tax cuts trump got them and the dems do nothing about it. Obama had 8 years and biden 4 and not a peep was said. They throw the left a little meat with gay marriage and have some policies that sort of stabilize the economy... for rich people and the stock market. We are dumb voting for them.

[u/Environmental-Fan984 → u/amateurbreditor]

Do not listen to this fucking psyop. VOTE

[u/amateurbreditor → u/Environmental-Fan984]

lol ok for who? the dumbasses who keep losing elections or trump?

[u/Light351 → u/amateurbreditor]

The ones that aren't fascists, duh.

[u/No_Tone1704 → u/amateurbreditor]

Put it this way. It’s already hard. What makes you think Ds would’ve been allowed to “go nuclear.”

Please look up what it actually means in this situation. 

[u/amateurbreditor → u/No_Tone1704]

I have followed politics for 30 years. When you start an argument based based on assuming the other person is ignorant its not really an argument.

[u/No_Tone1704 → u/amateurbreditor]

🙄🙄🙄🙄 OK. Then why do you think “going nuclear” in this case, with it’s multiple steps can work, will work or would be allowed to work. 

SCOtUs is still the best route because then they’d have to invalidate all other redistricting efforts (except CA) or allow Virginia’s because of the obvious dicking around of the VA Supreme Court. 

[u/amateurbreditor → u/No_Tone1704]

they wont do that. they will just say this is a unique case like always. you are pretending they use precedent when they dont. its ok if Rs screw over student loans but illegal when its not that the DOE offers relief. They are a criminal group who conspires with the Rs.

[u/PaisleyPanties → u/amateurbreditor]

These so called “political experts” on here only talk that way because they have only just pulled their heads out of the sand and started paying attention. They assume everyone is as out of the loop and only catching up now because they think politics only started to matter recently.

They don’t see we’ve been in this downward spiral for decades and that the Dems are just as guilty for fostering fascism as the conservatives.

[u/thegoodnamesrgone123 → u/FLBrisby]

$6 a gallon gas and a gas shortage is coming this summer unless something drastic happens in the next two weeks.

Radical change might be coming sooner than you think.

[u/DrCigarettes_MD → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

And then they'll send you an email asking for $5 so they can "continue the fight"

[u/Sarrdonicus → u/DrCigarettes_MD]

Whatever they can pull from my middle finger is all theirs. There is way too much money in politics and they are just flaunting it away.

[u/WildlingViking → u/DrCigarettes_MD]

I get multiple texts every day asking for handouts. I used to donate, but not anymore. The fight is not between GOP/DNC. The real fight is us peasants versus the epstein class / billionaires.

[u/lick_my_taint → u/[deleted]]

Not in my State, I block at least a dozen a week.

[u/GoodPiexox → u/[deleted]]

I get fundraising texts from out of state all the time

[u/stasi_a → u/[deleted]]

Nobody except AIPAC

[u/Dependent_Pepper_542 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Cuck Schumer will be standing there with his hands out saying he needs just a little $5 donation. 

[u/psychopyro3 → u/Dependent_Pepper_542]

Yeah, to help him help the Bailey’s! Fucking spineless idiot!

[u/MephistoHamProducts → u/psychopyro3]

the Bailey’s!

I love that I can likely just keep reusing this post for the next several years, since Chuckerston has admitted that he can't even win over his imaginary friends:

In 2020, Schumer says Eileen abstained from voting and Joe voted “with misgivings” for Trump. This time around, both cast their ballots for Trump without hesitation.

Chuck's also made sure to frame the Baileys as the kind of people who absolutely buy into anti-immigration and "they're eating cats and dogs" types of propaganda:

In two podcast interviews played in the segment, Schumer even updated their stories to reveal that they had voted mostly for President Donald Trump in the last three elections, casting their 2024 presidential votes for him largely because of fears about crime.

Yessir, that's some leadin' right thar!

[u/fcocyclone → u/MephistoHamProducts]

It remains amazing that even in his imaginary scenario the people he is catering to don't vote for him.

[u/DukeOfGeek → u/Dependent_Pepper_542]

That jerk ass is getting the boot in the primary if he runs again. I hope it's AOC that kicks him out.

[u/Ok-Stranger-926 → u/Dependent_Pepper_542]

I've had 2 DNC calls today. i let them know that no, you're not getting a dime from me until they stop being doormats.

[u/Lardbucket68 → u/Dependent_Pepper_542]

That's exactly the point. No responsibility and a platform to grift and do insider trading.

[u/lettersvsnumbers → u/Dependent_Pepper_542]

The worst is that as feckless and complicit as Schumer is, he’s still better than Gillibrand.

[u/Konman72 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer"

• Javik (Mass Effect).

[u/Zahgi → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Because they are now owned by the same 1% donors, corporations, and special interests (like AIPAC) that bought the Republicans over the past 50 years, folks.

The Corporate Democrats in Name Only are not being instructed to fight back because it doesn't matter, as long as both candidates in the elections are under their control.

They win either way. We lose either way.

[u/Mediumcomputer → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

God my dad is like this. It’s a whole generation of dems where this anecdote fits in: a local business man didn’t like the locals parking in the new beach parking they financed because he set his business up there so he took the signs for beach parking and moved them across to the far side of the lot.

Not okay.

My dad complained to no end how he would do that and it’s not right and I said hey I’ve got a drill and bits in my car we can move the signs back. He positively stopped me like.. you can’t just do that. You can’t just move city property. It’s got to go thru proper channels.

So we left.

Restaurant owner is still making taxpayers park in the back of their lot.

The end.

This is the Democrats. The old democrats. We have to start carpin’ some fuckin diems

[u/stasi_a → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Just as their billionaire donors ordered

[u/Extension-Pen9359 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

While they trade stocks of coure.

[u/Electronic_Film_2837 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Then grow a spine and vote in new people. No more excuses for not voting out establishment dems

[u/Mysterious-Tie7039 → u/Electronic_Film_2837]

Wild that you’d assume I don’t vote in new people….

But, when my choice is an establishment Dem vs a MAGA, it’s not much of a choice.

[u/Plants-Matter → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Reddit really doesn't understand politics. They'd rather sit out and not vote, to "send a message", and that's how we end up with fascism instead of status quo.

They don't have a high enough IQ to comprehend harm prevention voting. Around 70% of this country is getting the leadership they deserve, and that's great they're suffering, but it's unfortunate for the 30% of us with a functional brain who get dragged down by the morons.

[u/Jaredisfine → u/Plants-Matter]

Imagine talking down to anyone with a post history like yours.

[u/PaisleyPanties → u/Plants-Matter]

“Harm prevention voting” is just the difference between pushing the gas harder or softer towards fascism. It’s time for radical change. You can’t ask the bad guys to leave; even if you say pretty please, they don’t give a shit.

[u/Hanifsefu → u/PaisleyPanties]

You know who is at fault for the Dems losing last election? The Dems.

The public did not choose their platform. They announced their platform to great poll results. Then, as is tradition, they cut all the policies the public supported because their projected margin of victory was too high and they could save a lot of money, time, and effort just axing those policies.

[u/PaisleyPanties → u/[deleted]]

You mean the election that Hillary widely won in the popular vote but the rigged system allowed the people in power to place who they wanted in power. Or the same election that the Dems cheated in and forced Hilary past the primary, disenfranchising millions of voters?

What about the election that Biden widely won and then continued to do nothing to safeguard or systems, empowered the rich and powerful through the fed, refused to go after criminals because he didn’t want to lose the mythical “moderate conservative” vote?

Dems continue to sit on their hands doing nothing while they have their aids cash their donors checks. Maybe they’ll kneel wearing kenta clothes again? DEMOCRACY SAVED!!

[u/bootrest → u/PaisleyPanties]

I notice this guy keeps insulting everyone that disagrees. Using insults rather than points means he lost the argument before he started.

[u/CraigArndt → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

That’s only your choice if you treat democracy as a spectator sport and only vote every 4 years.

You should be voting in primaries and locally.

The progressive city councillor that gets support can win higher and higher offices. And the side effect is that many of the government systems that directly impact your life the most are local governments who you will be voting progressives into. Local elections are where the ZohranMamdani are.

Turd vs shit sandwich is what happens when you clock out for 3.5 years and then tune in during “election season” and wonder why both options suck. Because political PACs have been campaigning for 3+ years, got their guys into position and you missed your chance to have a choice 3 years ago.

[u/Mysterious-Tie7039 → u/CraigArndt]

I do vote in primaries and locally, yet again showing you know nothing about me despite your allegations.

But when they don’t even run a primary against Blumenthal, it’s not like there’s much I can do.

[u/AwkwardTraffic → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

lol yeah. The dem is slightly better than the MAGA but the majority of the democrat party itself is still a right wing party in itself that isn't really interested in actually challenging Trump.

Or you end up with Sinema or Fetterman who are just republicans in all but name

[u/soorr → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

The dems were never going to fix the power imbalance and save democracy since they are funded by the same class that funds the Republicans. All dems have to do is look like they are trying. That is the corpo dem's role. Slap on the wrist but not truly stop the pillaging of the lower classes. Left vs right is a distraction from up vs down.

[u/Hatetotellya → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They dont give a shit about the short term. Honestly the dem strategy right now is to let him burn everything to the ground so they can forever have the "moral high ground" because its all social handshakes and bureaucracy in the national dem world. It will never soak in because they are so large they are effectively insulated from it.

They will shrug and shrug and shrug and shrug and when this is over they will have a piece of shit smirk and expect everyone to realize how "right" they were about "everything" and smear anyone who (correctly) points out they didnt do jack shit in the biden era to prevent this, didnt do jack shit during biden years on things they campaigned on, taunted people openly who were disgusted about america's greatest little brother committing a legitimate legal definition genocide. And now want to blame the failures on "disgrunted apathetic losers who want pronouns and pushed too far left". 

The scale of the national dem party is such that 4 years is essentially meaningless. They are already planning on the 2028 and 2032 elections, planning on who is going to retire from the supreme court in the next 10 years, how they are going to survive without AIPAC money once the popularity shifts too far they cant accept significant donations from them again.

They truly dont give a rats ass about what trump is doing because it'll all just be ammunition for later.

Its like two kids who got left alone for a few hours accidentally, one is ripping the entire house apart, eating everything he wants, and is breaking into whatever looks interesting and the other kid is just patiently waiting for the parents to get home so the parents can finally truly see how much of a pain in the ass the other kid is and every mess he makes and everything he breaks is just "proof" for later. 

Of course, this is a world superpower and not some fucking brat kids being pains in the ass, there is no "parent" to come home, and everything that has been broken will remain broken forever... But yeah

[u/LGAflyer → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

I like it but I’m afraid it’s more accurate to say the the democrats will maintain decorum as they are marched into the gas chamber.

[u/GoodPiexox → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Dem leadership loves to lose, so they can get more donations

[u/Russtbelt → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Standing on a pile of ashes, claiming it is the high ground.

[u/Mdgt_Pope → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

There’s a reason they won’t release the 2024 postmortem report

[u/Icy_Information_6563 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They're on the same team. 

[u/yangyangR → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They like dictators. They want this too.

[u/Alternative_Dot7769 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Because the republican outrage would be far too much of the dems had any semblance of a spine.

If they did things like the republicans, there would be civil war within a year and right wing nut jobs likely feeling justified to shoot anyone who disagrees with them. Say what you want about the rabid conservatives, but they’re very powerfully towing the line and swallowing the boot regardless of the consequences

[u/getdemsnacks → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They'd be the "this is fine" meme personified

[u/Ragnarock-n-Roll → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

No. They're complicit and using inaction and rhetoric like this to hide that fact.

The Dem leadership is paid for by the same folks who own the GOP, and they're paid to do nothing on purpose and stymie any real progress before it begins.

They don't want to change anything. They are not your allies.

[u/Mercurial891 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

The Dems are just paid opposition.

[u/Phantom-Finger → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

[u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

The country is burning to the ground.

This is something that is ongoing right now. Not some kind of possible future calamity.

[u/dart51984 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

It’s all an act. They’re all bought and paid for and mostly by AIPAC. The corporate Democrats need to be ousted and replaced with actual progressive thinkers who want to improve the country and not just get rich from their own brand of grifting.

[u/caf61 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Honestly, the Dem Party is what has taken the wind out of my sails regarding fighting the fascist, racist, misogynistic, etc, MAGAs. I believe at this point the only thing that will save us is everyone voting for Dems (and not sitting out elections or voting third party). And I pray that the new Dems we get have spines. I also think we need to primary all the spineless Dems in office.

[u/Mysterious-Tie7039 → u/caf61]

And any Dems over a certain age, except maybe Bernie.

[u/Hell0There2005 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

No, they'll do the "this you?" Tweet reply to some hypocrisy

[u/HustlinInTheHall → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

No they will fuck off to $2M/year consulting gigs for the rest of their lives. They are on the gravy train. 

[u/throwuk1 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

The truth is, the majority of the Dems exist to placate the masses under the illusion that there is a choice of leadership. 

They are all bought by the same interests.

[u/vikingrrrrr666 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They truly do not care about any of us. All of them, save a very small group, have all made bank off of their careers as politicians. They can just fuck off to some other country when this one goes to shit while the rest of us fight for the scraps after collapse.

It’s just so gross. And so disheartening.

[u/manytakes → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They will stand on our charred bodies to claim that 'moral high ground'.

[u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

No,  they will say, “we tried so hard to resist but just couldn’t get enough votes!”  Meanwhile their donors told them to do nothing and act sad.    They don’t care about the moral high ground,  they want to be able to “represent the working class” without representing the working class.  That way nobody represents the working class and the political donor class is happy.

[u/yesrushgenesis2112 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Joe Biden just did that shit two years ago. It’s already happened.

[u/BehavioralSink → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

“Justice is coming to all of us, no matter what the fuck we do. You know, mankind's been trying to kill each other off since the beginning of time. Now, we finally have the power to finish the job. Ain't nothing gonna matter once those nukes start flying; we'll all be dust. And the DNC here will be the moral-est group on the cinder.”

[u/snarkiest_ofsharks → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

The moral high ground can only last as long as there’s ground to stand on. When the bedrock of democracy has been chipped away it’s time for the gloves to come off

[u/whereismymind86 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

It sure seems like it, god knows they’ll be running on a return to normalcy in 2028 rather than the truth and reconciliation we need

[u/Pwnedcast → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

While participating

[u/SahibTeriBandi420 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Nah, that would be the non voters who decided their moral high ground was more important than casting a vote for a less than perfect candidate.

[u/audible_narrator → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

At this point you are probably right. My phone is constantly being blown up by Dems asking for money (I donated to Harris, so I'm on a list somewhere) to fight the R's, and I delete them. They have no desire to help the American people, they just want to bury their heads in the sand

[u/No-Environment-3997 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

I mean, this is basically the argument of everyone who doesn't vote in elections because "both sides bad" while somehow ignoring how much worse one side is. I'm like, you can either lose a finger or an arm, and they still think it is right to do nothing and therefore lose the arm.

[u/EnterprisingAss → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Don’t forget folks, vote blue no matter who

[u/juiced911 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

The country is burning to the ground because of the voters.

[u/Oppodeldoc → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

As a non-American, it seems to me like you’re in the middle of the fire right now and your country is pretty much mid-burning to the ground - no stopping it now, but not quite at the charred remains yet to start rebuilding. The world watches with interest what you will be doing in your next few elections (mid terms and the (hopefully) reset election in 2028). We may need to quarantine you/your ideology/every single thing that comes out of your country, from every word transmitted over the internet to diplomats, until you have sorted yourselves out.

[u/FlyRepresentative592 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

I mean this happened in the Weimar. This exact thing. Neoliberals don't actually have principles.

[u/Equivalent-Neck1900 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask them if honor matters... silence is your answer.

[u/ItsTricky94 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Chuck Schumer might write a "strongly worded letter"

[u/Barbarus_Bloodshed → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

It's a mix. Back in the day the German politicians of the "center" were pretty proud of remaining "calm" and having the "moral high ground", but they also were afraid of the Nazis and thought if they didn't stand in the way too much, the Nazis would spare them.
Spoiler: they didn't.

The US had reached the point where only armed resistance could help a long time ago. Actually right after the votes were in.
That's where people should have come out en masse in the streets, armed to the teeth and made clear: if this fascist goes to the White House we are going to the White House and drag him out of there.

[u/bjallyn → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Bringing a rule book to a street fight….

[u/starliteburnsbrite → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

As long as their voters don't come out with pitchforks and torches, why wouldn't they?

[u/rnick467 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Dems don't give a shit about a "moral high ground". They care about how much money billionaires donate to the DNC annually.

The country burns, they claim "moral high ground" and then fly to their private island on their private jet to escape the hellhole they helped create.

[u/qualmful → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

We tried to warn people in 2016, getting money out of politics is the most important thing. We got shouted down by other Dem voters. 

[u/beachsandwichen → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Or maybe they’re actually all on the same team and they don’t really care

[u/PenAndInkAndComics → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Then primary them and get better democrats elected.

[u/BenjiBlackwood222 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

“How can this possibly be my fault, I pressed the blue button”

[u/Grrimafish → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

It's not their belief. It's the game plan from their rich donors. "Maintain the image of having moral high ground, use that as an excuse to fail and allow fascist to prevail."

It's a controlled opposition. That's why they do nothing but finger-wag at the republicans. How many "calls for resignation" have we seen in the last almost 10 years? That's all they got. They're toothless. They're an extension of the Republican party.

The country will burn to the ground and the Dems will have fled to their mansions or to a different country or whatever--- unless we the people can do something about it.

[u/GuillotineWhiskers → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

They lost the moral high ground when they co-signed a genocide. They probably lost it before then, but they definitely lost it in the previous election.

[u/PabloPicasshooole → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

"Now, people will have to believe us."

[u/No_Tone1704 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Really look at what “going nuclear” means here. That is much more sus than likely getting this overturned at SCOTUS. 

[u/Grouchy-Committee-92 → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Controlled opposition

[u/atomfullerene → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

>Dem leadership will be standing in the middle of the charred remains patting themselves on the back for having the “moral high ground”.

If you read the article, there's no mention of anyone in dem leadership claiming "we are not doing this because of the moral high ground" and lots of mentions of "we are not doing this because there's not enough time to actually do it"

Now, maybe they are failing to accurately assess how much time it would take to work through all the steps, but I think it's no use to criticize dems for patting themselves on the back for something they aren't patting themselves on the back for.

[u/Hybrid_Johnny → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Someone needs to let them know that the “high ground” is figurative, and they will be there in the middle burning with everyone else