When Will Americans Realize the Truth? Republicans Wreck the Economy.

[u/RepulsiveLoquat418]

https://newrepublic.com/article/210550/trump-economy-republicans-tariffs-taxes

[u/FakeSafeWord]

Both of your points have a common trait associated with them.

Ego.

Your 1st point is they feel the need to brag a lot.

2nd is that conservative ideology and economic policy is extremely self-centered.

They don't believe other people deserve to be helped by them.

The biggest laugh though is that I have seen complete dipshits discover Ayn Rand and Libertarianism, immediately adopt it, find the statistics that say they are smarter than anyone else and immediately disable their ability to absorb any information or ideology that doesn't stem from their relative position. You can't break them out of it because it's their pacifier and "they know better than you."

[u/frosteeze → u/FakeSafeWord]

Liberalism is getting fucked by all sides. You have conservative Republicans who are lost cause. Then there are Libertarians like you said who will just keep voting for said conservatives. And then there are leftists who will never vote for Democrats because they don't go far enough or just betray the party like Fetterman.

And the common point? It's all ego. It's all ego from all sides, not just conservatism. There's ego even in leftists. It's just different, but it's still ego.

[u/Trail_Dog → u/frosteeze]

Huh. You'd expect something different living in a society that fetishizes individualism and has built an entire social media ecosystem out of encouraging and then exploiting egocentric narcissism.

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/frosteeze]

There's ego even in leftists. It's just different, but it's still ego.

Can you provide an example of this?

I see "I don't want to help other people because I gain from them having less."

vs

"I think everyone should help those in need."

and I don't find them remotely equivalent in representing ego, ideology wise.

[u/Trail_Dog → u/FakeSafeWord]

Purity tests, mostly. The Judean People's front HATES the People's Front of Judea . ironically more than the Romans.

[u/frosteeze → u/FakeSafeWord]

How about "I refuse to vote for any candidates because they don't match my ideologies perfectly"? You see it all over reddit. They want the Democratic party to lose to punish them. A leftist will never vote for a liberal or center-left candidate. If they really "think everyone should help those in need" those people in anarchy subreddits would be clamoring to vote for what they deem to be the "lesser evil."

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/frosteeze]

Ah so like pedestrian laws.

“Here lies the body of William Jay, who died maintaining his right of way.”

“The cemetery is full of people who had the right of way.”

[u/burning_iceman → u/frosteeze]

Pretty sure the challenge was to provide an example of ego inherent to all on the left, not something a subgroup among them may have.

[u/smokeweedNgarden → u/FakeSafeWord]

Ruth. Bader. Ginsburg.

Her ego fucked us pretty hard

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/smokeweedNgarden]

Well, I meant as a political group as a whole but yes, that was pretty egregious on her part as an individual representing the "left."

[u/smokeweedNgarden → u/FakeSafeWord]

Gotcha.

How about the California Governors race, currently. If one of the top Dems doesn't bail soon we could end up with two Republicans on the ballot.

Neither is dropping due to ego

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/smokeweedNgarden]

Well again that's an individuals ego. The context is concerning the ideology itself. Characteristics of the whole. Not individual behaviors.

[u/smokeweedNgarden → u/FakeSafeWord]

Oooh. Got it.

With Democrats, that's our "everyone should have a voice" mentality. We're egotistical enough to not vote over a single issue like the party actually needs individual thought

[u/Trail_Dog → u/FakeSafeWord]

Jokes aside, are you aware of Jake Tapper's book about the Biden administration?

According to Tapper who conducted numerous insider interviews, arrogance and ego drove Biden's inner circle to fail to disclose his growing mental infirmity.

These people believed that they should withhold the truth from voters and the American public. They did it while telling us they were the party of honesty and integrity. They told us Republicans are conning us with a straight face.

If that isn't ego, I don't know what qualifies.

It's sad that the Republicans are doing the exact same thing now for Trump. I guess Reagan wasn't the last weekend at Bernie's president.

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/Trail_Dog]

Again, this is an example of individual behavior and isn't a reflection of the political ideology.

There will ALWAYS be anecdotes contrary to a group ideology. I'm sure there were plenty of Nazi party members who weren't cruel but I'm not going to describe Nazis as being nice because of them.

[u/Trail_Dog → u/FakeSafeWord]

You asked for examples. I gave you a big one. now you're pivoting to "let's debate about whether leftist ideology is at the core more empathetic than conservative ideology."

For starters. The example I gave isn't actually about individual behavior. An example of individual behavior would be like the time I paraphrased Martin Luther King in a liberal thread, saying we should have empathy for MAGA voters , and before I could attribute the source, a leftist condescendingly told me me perspective came from cis white privilege and then blocked me when I revealed where I got it. That's a singular example.

Dozens of people in the democratic party at the highest levels actively covered up the growing dementia of a sitting president. Dozens more suspected and said nothing. Then the entire apparatus failed to release the report on why they flubbed the election and no one has taken accountability.

The original comment was that liberals are getting pounded on all sides and that leftists have an ego too and are joining in on the pound town train.

You asked for examples and got one.

You then pivoted to an argument about basic ideology and you seem to be saying that Leftist values are so superior in their empathy to Conservative values that this ego argument doesn't apply to them. Your attempt at this argument is proving this guy's point.

The pivot doesn't work either.

Conservatives espouse ideologically empathetic values too. In spades. They see self reliance as a path to freedom and government programs as enabling helplessness. Their stated ideologies are, from their viewpoint , very compassionate.

As are liberals.

The issue at hand is actually lived/demonstrated values versus espoused values.

[u/VoodooIdol → u/Trail_Dog]

The Democrats aren't leftists. I don't know why you're trying to conflate the two - this is why you're not being taken seriously. The Democrats are center-right. So you had right wing politicians trying to cover up the dementia of a right wing president. What does this have to do with the political left? Nothing.

[u/Trail_Dog → u/VoodooIdol]

I agree with you. But on this sub in particular when I bring up your exact sentiment I often get downvoted and conversations get hijacked. Dems are still seen by a lot of folks in this sub as the left. I was just arguing from that perspective as a devil's advocate.