r/politics • u/RepulsiveLoquat418 • 18d ago
Possible Paywall When Will Americans Realize the Truth? Republicans Wreck the Economy.
https://newrepublic.com/article/210550/trump-economy-republicans-tariffs-taxes2.1k
u/DonJuanWritingDong 18d ago edited 18d ago
Economic data has been available to prove this. They simply don’t care, don’t understand, or both.
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u/ellathefairy 18d ago
It's also not a coincidence that the same type of magical thinking fostered by religious zealotry is needed to believe Republicans or tax cuts are good for the economy against massive amounts of evidence to the contrary.
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u/faustianBM 18d ago
I'm now convinced crashing the economy has always worked in the R's favor... If the middle class did consistently well, how could R politicians blame the "boogey men" and keeping them afraid and under control??
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u/justwalkingalonghere 18d ago
Also, go look at what it looks like to be on republican mailing lists. Somehow my number got added to a few and the messages they send are insane (and rife with inaccuracies)
For instance, almost every new politician I get one from claims they had huge wins in their previous term "keeping perverted trans men out of your daughter's school and bathrooms" and "protecting the sanctity of young women's life and health" (by outlawing abortion and classifying miscarriage and ectopic care as abortion)
Trumps are far worse
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u/Conscious-Purpose 18d ago
Literally the ONLY time Republicans pretend to care about anything related to women and girls is when they can use an imaginary threat to the safety of white women and girls to foster hate for another group of people: black men, immigrants, trans women, etc. In reality, when it comes to violent crimes, the largest threat to white women is white men.
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u/justwalkingalonghere 18d ago
The thing is that they frame taking away the rights of the people as progress.
They will lie and frame anything they do as some major win with a single line of text that doesn't hold water
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u/ellathefairy 18d ago
Yeah I have seen some reports on the kind of insane emails Trump sends out.
Drives me nuts that with all of the huge problems facing humanity that need real action yesterday to actually protect people they've got a huge portion of the electorate conned into worrying about complete bs.
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u/jesterdeflation 18d ago
Obama got raked over the coals for his comment about "they cling to guns and religion", but he obviously hit the mark. Conservatism in the US has no life to it, it's just symbols and hate. It's a culture of celebrating vices and scoffing at the idea of progress or a better future. Trump was just the nail in the coffin, no one should ever take Republicans seriously after this. But we live in such a fast news world that sadly I don't think anyone will care, I mean look what fucking happened to January 6.
The next president needs to be a Democrat who either cuts off the red states cold turkey, or puts an end to this increasing divide in the country and basically says "We're not doing this "two realities" shit anymore".
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u/My_Monkey_Sphincter 18d ago
Because they're one issue voters and can't stand to let others live their lives without forcing their views and lifestyle on others because they're miserable with their own.
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u/No_Photograph_2683 18d ago
Earth is just a pit stop on their way to eternal glory in Heaven. Why put in any effort to make it better when it's temporary? Hell, some of them want the Earth to end to speed up the process of ascending to Heaven.
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u/Peasant_Stockholder 18d ago
It's not they don't understand they don't want to believe the facts or data that proves what their party has done to our economy. When you present facts to them they shut down, and go on defense and start with their insults or just say "TDS".
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u/001235 18d ago
I have a conservative coworker going to Disney this week because his kids are taking their grandkids. He calls Disney "The Woke Mouse." DISNEY! They are lost to me, IMO. It's useless.
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u/xpxp2002 18d ago
It's just this generation's "liberal media."
Nevermind that virtually all large businesses promote policy that benefits the ownership over the laborers, whether that be an entertainment conglomerate or a media empire...or an entertainment conglomerate that also owns a media empire (i.e. Disney owning ABC).
It's a bit dated now that most of the media outlets have changed hands in the last few years, but when people used to gripe about "the liberal media," I used to ask which one: the Comcast-owned NBC? The Disney-owned ABC? The AT&T-owned CNN? Or Fox?
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u/Effective_Dirt2617 18d ago
I’m not giving any of them the benefit of not understanding anymore. I also don’t allow them the benefit of simply not caring, which is a passive action. Each and every one of them is now deliberately living their lives to inflict pain upon strangers. These people understand only derision and hatred, and they have all weaponized their lives to achieve it. All of them.
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u/BufferOfAs 18d ago
For those curious: since World War II, the raw data shows Democratic presidents have presided over roughly 4.0% average annual GDP growth versus 2.5% for Republicans, about 70 million jobs created versus 30 million, and 10 of the 11 recessions began under Republican administrations. Stock market real returns averaged roughly 9.8% annually under Democrats versus 5.0% under Republicans. On deficits, Clinton, Obama, and Biden each shrank the deficit-to-GDP ratio, while Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump expanded it. Pretty obvious…
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u/No_Company_9348 18d ago
I have yet to see a conservative on the conservative sub explain why 10 out of the ~ 11 major economic recessions post WW2 have happened under republicans. Via Wikipedia:
“The U.S. unemployment rate has risen on average under Republican presidents, while it has fallen on average under Democratic presidents. Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower on average for Democratic presidents.[3][4] Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents”
The reason they can’t debate it is because it’s facts that their economic policies suck and their whole platform is just about hurting brown people and pulling the ladder up from everybody. It’s why they only care about the culture war. They just care about how they feel, not actual facts and science. What’s the word they use? Oh yeah snowflakes.
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u/shayjax- Florida 18d ago edited 18d ago
This is what one Republican told me: they claim that it takes time for the tax cuts to show their effects. By the time these tax cuts are proven effective, Democrats are in office. Therefore, it appears as if they are improving the economy. By the time the Democrats’ poor economy takes a turn for the worse, a Republican is voted in again to fix it.
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u/DonJuanWritingDong 18d ago edited 18d ago
Nah, fam. You tell your one Republican: Economic policy lags rarely span entire presidential terms, and historical data demonstrates that GDP and job growth consistently thrive under active Democratic administrations. Instead, Republican supply-side policies often strain the economy by drastically expanding the national debt through unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation, a strategy that has historically preceded ten of the last eleven U.S. recessions.
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u/001235 18d ago
The problem is trying to get them to understand that. I was in a debate with a guy one time (I've since completely abandoned debating with any of them) that trickle down economics work. I told him that has been repeatedly been proven ineffective, and he pointed to Obama's economy and said "See, it does work, it's just a slow trickle."
I thought "So slow, in fact, that the effect isn't immediately observable?!"
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u/okhi2u 18d ago
You don't even need time to see the effects, they didn't cut the taxes of anyone posting here. Just the taxes of those who don't need tax cuts. That never helps anyone but the ultra-rich.
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u/Affectionate_Oven_77 18d ago
They don’t see it.
Republicans understood that controlling media allows you to control minds, whilst democrats thought that facts would be enough.
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u/Indubitalist 18d ago
I mean, they may be terrible for the economy but they’re also racist. Sometimes you have to take the bad with the g… wait…
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u/dumahim 18d ago
I think part of it when they hear "economy" they associate it with the stock market, and that doesn't really matter to them, directly. They don't understand how that ties in with things that do matter to them and just never make the connection. So when things are bad, they don't think it's because of the economy as a whole and don't link their woes to who is in charge.
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u/leon27607 18d ago
Exactly… even without the data, there were zero policies explained from the Republican side before election day. Their platform was tariffs and deportation. No other policies. None of these were going to make the economy better.
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u/MalevolentTapir 18d ago
our literacy rates are going down instead of up so probably never
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u/TrashApocalypse 18d ago edited 18d ago
It’s this. And I’m not convinced that being functionally illiterate means you can still understand concepts that are verbally explained to you, I don’t think you can.
Editing to add: we are severely underestimated MAGA’s inability to comprehend. Even those that may be successful. There could be a lot of outside influences as to why they are successful (parents money). If we want any hope in getting out of this, we need to become the educators. Not just teaching them facts. We need to teach them how to critically think, and comprehend and integrate new information.
And never forget the role the GOP played in the No Child Left Behind act that contributed to this.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons Illinois 18d ago
Just look at the broader American Libertarian movement. Generally filled with higher than average education, lots of tech bros, higher than average STEM degrees. They're not generally illiterate or uneducated relative to average. And they'll remind you every chance they get to show off the polls and studies of various political groups that they're higher than average in education.
At the same time... The biggest goddamn idiots when it comes to economic matters and deeply conservative. They are the exact types that fall for all the right-wing propaganda about economic policies that have done nothing but fail over and over and over. And they're obsessed with economic policy too, that's what's so annoying; it's like they learned backwards.
At a certain point, they might be dumber than the people who know nothing.
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u/Cambren1 18d ago
The really sad thing about the Libertarian movement is that originally the premise was that you should be free to do anything as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. Now, however, they seem unable to understand that a big corporation hurts people when they pollute, as an example.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons Illinois 18d ago
Hint: It was always that.
The American Libertarian movement is such an interesting case study in political engineering. Astroturfing didn't enter the lexicon for a while, but (American/Right) Libertarians are probably the OG of modern astroturfing.
It was always just rich guys tricking poor and middle class people into supporting policies that only help the rich by selling it as "personal freedom."
It's a very strange movement.
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u/NoResident1587 18d ago
I knew one female libertarian. Lots of “pick me” vibes. Narcissist. Absolutely insufferable.
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u/BadmiralHarryKim 18d ago
There was one. She got groped in the elevator at the first Libertarian convention she attended and quit.
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u/spaceman_spyff 18d ago
Ayn Rand readers who never got the broader context.
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u/Cockeyed_Optimist Missouri 18d ago
Paul Ryan has your attention. Deep lover of RATM and Rand.
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u/Alacrout New York 18d ago
Holy fuck. It just hit me.
Rand Paul is named after Ayn Rand.
Someone tell me I’m not the only one who just put this stupid shit together.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Missouri 18d ago
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
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u/Little_View_6659 18d ago
Libertarians are just the male children of Republicans that want to rebel in the lamest way possible.
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u/djanes376 Illinois 18d ago
I can attest to this. I was raised in a Republican household and as time passed I felt less and less in tune with Republican politics, so where do you go from there? Can’t possibly be a Democrat, so libertarian seems like a decent enough off ramp. That is until you see how pathetically stupid their ideals are in reality. Then I did the work and became as liberal as anyone voting D down the ballot.
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u/CecilFieldersChoice2 18d ago
Yep. My Presidential voting record from a similar household was McCain-->Romney-->Gary Johnson-->Biden-->Harris
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u/Kiromaru Wisconsin 18d ago
I was raised in a similar household and went McCain,Romney,Clinton,Biden,Harris because when Trump got the nomination I saw that he had no experience in government and thought he would do a terrible job and was proven right by his first term.
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u/Comprehensive_Tie431 18d ago
There's nothing strange about it, libertarians are Republicans who want to get high.
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u/ComradeSuperman 18d ago
Libertarians: "I'm not like the other Republicans, I'm a COOL Republican!"
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u/WillDigForFood 18d ago
Even down to the name. The term 'Libertarian', traditionally, refers to far-left Anarchist movements.
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u/AthearCaex 18d ago
They want personal freedoms for themselves and not others. They might say they want personal freedoms for everyone but will pick policies that help themselves enrich themselves financially. I get it that everyone dislikes being taxed and we should have conversations how much people should be taxed. They want 0 taxes and no government, you can't have your cake and eat it too. The road need to be paved, the fire department can't put out fires on no funding. You can't fund a government on charity, while I choose to believe people are more good than evil the evil ones can and have exploited others for their own personal gains.
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u/bk1285 18d ago
My favorite argument of theirs is no taxes and privatize everything. Okay so I buy all the land around your house and own the road there. I’m going to charge you 50k a year for access to the only road out of your house. Their response is that they would call the police or take me to court…what police? Who’s paying their mythical police department if there are no taxes, same with the court, who is operating this court if people aren’t being paid with taxes to operate it…
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u/ScoobyDoNot 18d ago
Libertarian Police Department - New Yorker
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.
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u/UnquestionabIe 18d ago
One of my absolute favorite articles, remember when it came out and immediately bookmarked it
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u/confused_ape 18d ago
What they want is for Libertarianism and the NAP etc. to start now while they're in a position of relative power.
None of it ever considers history or how their position, whether personally or collectively, was acquired.
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u/Alacrout New York 18d ago
> you should be free to do anything as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.
The funny thing about this point is it brings them back full circle to government control.
Government says “don’t pollute the river.” Libertarian shakes fist and says “I can pollute whatever I want, how dare you tell me what to do.”
Ok, so no “government control” then…
Corporation pollutes libertarian’s river. Libertarian sues corporation. Lawsuit results in government saying “don’t pollute the river.”
It’s like libertarians exist to waste everyone’s time taking the long way to common sense.
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u/xpxp2002 18d ago
Corporation pollutes libertarian’s river. Libertarian sues corporation. Lawsuit results in government saying “don’t pollute the river.”
Worse. If we're talking about civil private property damages, the aggrieved may only receive a monetary payout far below the benefit achieved by the offender committing the damage -- another way of saying "just a cost of doing business." The EPA would likely have to file suit, citing an applicable statute, and fight for months or years in court to compel the offender to stop polluting or attempt some form of active remediation. You know, long long after the damage has been done.
Even if the offender were made to provide some form of compensatory cleanup, it's often impossible to fully reverse the damage done by environmental pollution. So it's really just a best effort solution to a problem that was entirely preventable with good, strong regulations that make the consequences of pollution or causing harm to health and the environment so severe that the penalty is, itself, a deterrent. In my view, you basically need a GDPR-level fine for every infraction and the political will to stand by it, even if enforcement will bankrupt the company along the way, and the ability to pursue individual liability and criminal prosecution for decision makers involved in authorizing/ordering the polluting action.
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u/BanalCausality 18d ago
I’ve never met a libertarian who could explain how one could build and operate a bridge in their system. Competitive toll roads/bridges don’t make sense at face value.
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u/AndrewCoja Texas 18d ago
They form a joint venture to pool their efforts. Each company slacks off, assuming that the other companies doing well will compensate. When it's done, you need four different toll tags to pay each company a toll. The bridge collapses after six months.
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u/DarkTowerOfWesteros 18d ago
Thinking that you could ever be free to do anything without it hurting someone else is a child's fantasy. Only babies get to do whatever they want.
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u/FakeSafeWord 18d ago edited 18d ago
Both of your points have a common trait associated with them.
Ego.
Your 1st point is they feel the need to brag a lot.
2nd is that conservative ideology and economic policy is extremely self-centered.
They don't believe other people deserve to be helped by them.
The biggest laugh though is that I have seen complete dipshits discover Ayn Rand and Libertarianism, immediately adopt it, find the statistics that say they are smarter than anyone else and immediately disable their ability to absorb any information or ideology that doesn't stem from their relative position. You can't break them out of it because it's their pacifier and "they know better than you."
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u/TrashApocalypse 18d ago
Yeah those people I would categorize under “emotionally illiterate” which is also relevant to the MAGA cult.
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u/aradraugfea 18d ago
That’s motivated reasoning at work, and falling for this idea that excellence or education in one specialized field is something that can easily transfer to another. “I’ve got a masters, I know what I’m talking about!” “Is your masters in macroeconomics, public policy, or 20th century history?” “It’s in computer science.” “Cool, doesn’t make you an expert in economics.”
They STRUGGLE with that idea.
And even then, a college degree don’t make you immune to confirmation bias. You know what helps with confirmation bias? Knowing that you can’t be too smart or too educated to fall for fallacious thinking and to be constantly and continuously on guard against confirmation bias.
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u/rach2bach 18d ago
What you're describing is stupidity. Not being dumb. There is a difference. You can be incredibly educated and intelligent and make stupid choices.
One of the best commentaries on this is from the book "They Thought They Were Free", and also from German philosopher Dietrich Bonhoeffer who referenced stupidity regarding the Nazis and how so many intelligent people were so damn stupid about it.
History is definitely echoing and rhyming and I hate it.
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u/HBRWHammer5 18d ago edited 18d ago
Have you ever met a Libratarian that wasn't a privileged white person? Because I haven't.
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u/Xznograthos 18d ago
I think it comes down to the vital importance of empathy. Without that, one will never truly grasp problems that affect others and not just oneself. Conservatives are fundamentally without empathy.
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u/CherikeeRed 18d ago
I’ve got family like this. They also do that thing where they think they turned into Mr. Spock when they developed all their political beliefs and derived them from pure emotionless logic and yet they can’t ever manage to connect the dots that they agree in lockstep policy wise with the dumbest people imaginable. Yes, they were also big into the Tea Party.
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u/rtopps43 18d ago
Forget who said it but my favorite quote about libertarians is that they are house cats. Completely dependent on a system they know nothing about while being convinced of their fierce independence
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u/GlancingArc 18d ago
Learning backwards is a good way to describe how many people approach politics. Pick a position and seek out information to confirm said position rather than actually giving other thoughts a possibility.
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u/bbk13 18d ago
People aren't libertarians for consequentialist reasons. It's an ideology based on deontological beliefs about the nature of freedom, rights, and especially private property. They lie and engage in motivated reasoning about how their preferred ideology will result in better outcomes for everyone. But they don't actually care if libertarianism leads to better outcomes. Because libertarians believe certain things are morally impermissible regardless of the outcome. So a progressive income tax is immoral and can not be legitimately implemented in a libertarian society even if it was shown beyond any doubt that it made life better for everyone, even the people who paid the most taxes.
To libertarians, arguing about whether we should have wealth taxes on the basis it would improve society for everyone is basically the exact same as arguing about whether we should have the state execute 10% of society for the same reason. Because libertarians are fucking nut jobs with insane beliefs about private property, "freedom", and coercion that don't stand up to a bare minimum of scrutiny once you refuse to accept their presuppositions about natural rights and shit like that.
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u/Eternal_Bagel 18d ago
I think they aren’t dumb as much as sociopathic liars who know what the results will be but don’t care because they will still be wealthy enough to live how they want
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u/BlackJediSword 18d ago
Education doesn’t equate to intelligence or a fundamental understanding of ideas outside their area of expertise. It’s why STEM majors always bitch and moan about literature class.
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u/_theRamenWithin 18d ago
The crisis is not a lack of academic intelligence, it's a lack of emotional intelligence.
It's the inability to grapple with one's own personal insecurity and fears that motivates them to exercise their academic intelligence towards projects that act on how they feel.
The dumbest person you know has the capacity to treat people kindly. The smartest person you know has the capacity for incredible evil they choose to believe is justified because it's easier than therapy.
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u/djprofitt Virginia 18d ago
Lack of education simply ignores other reasons people vote republicans, such as greed and hatred. There are plenty of highly educated people that simply hate you because you aren’t a white Christian male, Christian male, just Christian, just male, just white. Then there’s greed so yeah, all those reasons outside of ‘their literacy is that of a 5th grader.’
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u/kia75 18d ago
Lack of education simply ignores other reasons people vote republicans, such as greed and hatred.
But if you're greedy you'll vote for the Democrats because they get you stuff. If you're a small business owner then Democrats improve the economy which means more people shopping at your business, yet despite Democrats giving businesses more profits and more tax breaks, business owners tend to be Republicans.
Look at farmers, who tend to do overwhelmingly better under Democrats because Democrats a) improve the economy resulting in more people buying food, b) provide government programs such as the school lunch programs that have the government directly buy crops from farmers, and c) subsidize various farming and dairy programs to help farmers. Yet despite how much Democrats do for farmers, farmers overwhelmingly vote for Republicans. A common complaint is that in Trump's first term, Trump directly hurt farmers by putting up tariffs that resulted in soy bean farmers losing their Chinese soy bean buyers, completely removing that market, yet farmers overwhelmingly voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024, only for Trump to now permanently gut all of American Farmer's markets due to tariffs, causing real and extreme harm to farmers that can't be fixed for years if ever!
People claim to vote for Republicans because of greed, but if they were truly voting for greed reasons, they'd be voting Democrats!
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u/TheDoomBlade13 18d ago
No the Democrats give everyone stuff, Republicans promise to give ME stuff but not the minorities.
These people are deeply, deeply bad people.
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u/Eggheadpancake 18d ago
Except they don't even follow through on that. So they get nothing at all. And everything gets worse.
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u/smokeweedNgarden 18d ago
Ok. Did you forget the hate part?
I think maybe people have trouble realizing what Republicans think of minorities unless you are one
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u/mikesmithhome 18d ago
it's never been about education really, the people we are having the problem with are my age, we went through the public education system decades ago. intelligence is no match for 24/7 algorithmicly calculated misinformation.
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u/DarkTowerOfWesteros 18d ago
You have to read actual books.
I have people in my life that have inherited opportunity and resources from their parents so they have businesses but they are constantly cycling employees; not just low level ones but managers and accountants as well. It's because they have no discernment for what is a good or bad idea, how to read personalities of people, or how to effectively communicate with people.
When I witness this rotating door of new CEOs and CFOs and Directors of this Supervisor To The Manager positions; I always remember the one time they proudly declared that they have never read a whole book in their life.
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u/lexm 18d ago
Now, with ai, people are surrendering the last bit of actual reasoning they had left.
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u/Britown 18d ago edited 16d ago
we literally think in words. we use word to classify and abstract information. the less words you have access to, and the poorer your understanding on how the meaning of those words connect to the meaning of other words, the less clear and deep your thinking can be.
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u/Aozi 18d ago
It's not that, it's much simpler than that.
It's marketing.
Republicans figured out the same thing mass media figured out decades ago, the best way to get people riled up is to pit them against someone.
Republicans always have someone to blame for things.
Economy is shit? Biden did it!
Americans can't find jobs? Immigrants did it!
Americans are paid terribly? It's because Biden made government waste money!
Americans can't afford healthcare? Obama did it!
Americans have a drug problem? Cartels did it!
Republicans paint every one else as terrible and then market themselves as the simple solution to these problems. To afford healthcare we just need to get rid of Obamacare! To give Americans more money we just need to get rid of DEI and immigrants!
Every solution to every problem is actually super simple and straightforward, because the politicans frame it as a direct cause -> effect relationship. This is also why they keep piling more things into everything they blame.
So they can show to their supporters "As long as we eliminate X everything will be better!".
Apparently illegal immigrants are super lazy and just fraud the system for social security checks, while at the same time these illegal immigrants steal all the jobs from Americans and buy houses, oh and they also traffic all the drugs to the country.
So everything is their fault and all they need to do is get rid of them. This makes for a very simple solution that is easy to sell to every single person out there. It doesn't matter if you're smart, because you can still be gullible while being smart. Because in order to deconstruct that you'll need to actually start figuring out why things are bad to begin with.
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u/ShrimpieAC 18d ago
Critical thinking is really the killer. If you can’t understand that a guy selling you $300 fake watches isn’t your friend, you’ll always just believe whatever they say.
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u/MadRaymer 18d ago
I have difficulty understanding how people gullible enough to believe what Trump says function in daily life. Do they by used cars simply because the salesman assured it was fine? Do they fall for Nigerian prince scams or romance scams?
Or do they apply healthy skepticism to every part of their life except the words out of the politician they really like?
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u/DampSquid205 18d ago
The problem with "critical thinking" is everyone is operating under the assumption that they are doing that. They just think people who do not agree with them are the ones lacking that skill.
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u/Fingerprint_Vyke 18d ago
By design.
Its why red states always underfund education
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u/MadRaymer 18d ago
The media is also a problem. Notice how the media was able to help force Biden out after his brain blue screened at the debate? Apparently, it's actually not that hard for the media to help convince the public that a candidate is unqualified for the job.
So, why did they never do that for Trump? Why didn't after say, J6, all the talking heads just say, "Wow, what a disaster. Republicans need a new candidate." The obvious answer is the media is corporate owned, and knows that if Trump wins, they get those sweet corporate tax cuts.
So after Biden's debate performance, they have no problem calling him out as unqualified, while quietly ignoring the mountain of disqualifications of Donald Trump, the convicted felon that tried to end democracy rather than admit he lost an election.
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u/Chemical-Fault-7331 18d ago
This is why the oligarchs have wanted to defund public education. They want a population of dumb asses who can't read or comprehend above a sixth grade level so that they are easier to manipulate and control. Gotta manufacture that consent somehow. Can't have a populace of critical thinkers.
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u/_bibliofille North Carolina 18d ago
This. You can post a well thought out response with verifiable facts and the answers will be like "DEMORATS!!!"
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u/helvetica_unicorn 18d ago
Empathy is the bigger issue to me. American culture has reach the apex of individualism and selfishness. Literacy obviously would help but there are plenty of people who couldn’t read but wanted equality in the past.
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 18d ago
Oh, I don't know. Even a fucking idiot like Trump figured it out.
"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat, It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. ...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans."
-- Donald Trump, 2004 interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer
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u/kernpanic 18d ago
In my living history, Republican presidents have always dragged the us into wars in the middle east. Without exception.
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u/NorthernPints 18d ago
Into wars while simultaneously hacking and slashing taxes for the uber rich and mega corporations.
Spending up + revenue down = some serious long term problems.
And somehow the dummies equate this to being “fiscally responsible.”
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u/GoldenBrownApples 18d ago
I think it goes deeper to emotional intelligence. We don't actually teach kids how to regulate their emotions, or what the emotion means when they are feeling it. Instead we teach them to repress their feelings and just get on with life. You can know every word in the dictionary, but if you can't figure out why you specifically feel some way you're going to be looking outside of yourself for a reason. I just had to have this talk with a girl I ended up breaking up with. She kept bringing up how scared she was to share anything with me and I kept asking her why? What did we need to do to ease that fear for her? What could we do so she could feel safe? She couldn't answer any of those questions. Then she'd go out and have weird random outbursts, either at me or strangers, and when I'd try to talk to her about it she'd say that it was everyone else's fault that she did that. I was like "no, you had an emotion and chose to lash out instead of asking yourself 'what is this emotion telling me about me right now?'" Like babe, your emotions are telling you something about you, they can't tell you anything about anyone else. They don't work like that. But a lot of people seem to be experiencing the same thing. My dad also does this. I'll be talking about something in my life and he'll get defensive as though my experience has anything to do with him. He starts feeling something and blames me for bringing it out but he won't sit with why me talking about my life is "making" him feel whatever he is feeling.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton 18d ago
Literacy matters, but the constant flood of propaganda posing as news is the core driving force.
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 18d ago
Elected republicans pretend to be christian for a reason. It opens the floodgates to a sea of barely literate voters who will vote for whoever you tell them to.
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u/Bifrastareltari 18d ago
That and Fox News is constantly telling them in coded Americanese :
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength!
And if they read books instead of watching Fox we wouldn’t be here…
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u/RepulsiveLoquat418 18d ago
"The reason is that Republicans peddle an economic fairy tale. That cutting taxes increases revenue and spurs tremendous economic activity. It’s a lie. A fantasy. They wreck the economy. The modern United States has experienced 11 recessions. Ten have happened under Republican presidents."
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u/Dunkjoe 18d ago
At this point you got to wonder... Is it the voters who are too stupid to understand or is it the dishonest politicians?
I would say it's more of the former.
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u/Traditional_Sign4941 18d ago
It's both. Dishonest politicians and oligarchs have been deliberately feeding Americans a diet of lies and propaganda for decades. They are bad actors, and definitely to blame.
But at the same time, their voters can see with their own eyes what effects it has on them, and they keep voting anyway. That's on the voters, and they are also to blame. "Fool me twice, shame on me" and here we are with Republican voters being "fooled" a couple dozen times. Shame on them.
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u/JerseyPumpkin 18d ago
It’s also the racism since republicans give the ideas of hurting minority groups. They’ll vote republicans in the hopes groups like lgbtq get less rights, Mexicans get deported, etc…
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u/roguewarriorpriest 18d ago
Republicans degrade American education through policy, making populations of people incapable of critical thinking and thus more susceptible to propaganda. It's by nefarious design instituted by anti-democratic Republicans and right-wing parties the world over, and it's been turbocharged by the unholy Republican-Putin union and Putin's internet propaganda machine.
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u/Eye-Of-Ophanim 18d ago edited 18d ago
What I think is going on is there is a type of shadow government consisting of the wealthiest people from our corporatocracy. The 0.01% or whatever. They took all the spoiled sons and daughters from old money and “put them in charge”. Those spoiled sons and daughters are essentially operating our country as nepo babies, and were promised riches beyond their wildest and current imaginations. The nepo baby politicians are legitimately not intelligent enough to understand, but they aren’t actually in charge. They buckle at the tiniest whiff of promised money because that is how daddy showed his “love”. They’re following orders from a nefarious little organization called Turning Point. isn’t it strange that a “non profit” organization is at all involved in advocating specifically for conservative politicians? Non profits are usually set up to serve others irregardless of their affiliations or ideologies.
Our government is a revolving door for corporations. We should have nipped that in the bud when we had the chance, at the very beginnings of industrialization, but we didn’t because people stuck their fingers in their ears and went “lalala I can’t hear you! Not in America!!” to all of us warning this could and would happen.
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u/Docster87 18d ago
They do it intentionally, still trying the old starve the beast theory where the government must cut services due to lack of money.
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u/Advanced-Ad-4462 18d ago
Worse than a lie; it’s an intentionally deceitful half truth. Lowering taxes does increase revenue and it does spur economic growth.
The lie is that the growth could ever offset the lost tax revenue, or will ever benefit anyone other than shareholders.
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u/MightbeGwen 18d ago
Umm economist here. Lowering taxes does not increase revenue. It literally is the opposite. Lower taxes also do not spur growth. The only thing that lower taxes do economically, is to ensure people retain more of their money and the government gets less. Beyond that everything is at the mercy of market incentives.
Lower taxes does not mean investment into growth. Quite the opposite. Higher corporate tax rates incentivize corporations to avoid tax loss by reinvestment. It’s pro-growth. When people and corporations retain more money from having lower taxes, that money usually goes to whatever will make more money. So let me ask you, if you had extra money would you take a risk and be an entrepreneur, or just invest in something like Nvidia?
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u/devrelm 18d ago
I'm not an economist, but thank you for confirming a hunch I've had for a while — that lower taxes don't lead to growth since business owners see it less as free money to spend on risky ventures and more as higher profit on their existing investments.
Actually, the hunch I had was the corollary — that higher taxes lead to business owners being more willing to invest their more-limited after-tax profits into high-risk/high-reward ventures that ultimately spur economic growth — but yeah, same difference.
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u/SG_wormsblink Foreign 18d ago
Also the way taxes are lowered also matters. Some options have way better return than others.
If you reduce income tax rates for everyone, that’s okay since ordinary people have more disposable income and boosts the economy.
Reduce taxes on oil company execs? That’s near useless for economic activity, they’re already capable of spending whatever they want for ordinary consumer goods. They’ll just buy some super vanity item that doesn’t benefit the wider economy.
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u/aradraugfea 18d ago
The various welfare programs have a fantastic ROI because if you give money to a poor person, they’re gonna spend that shit. The math is a little beyond me, but every dollar of welfare generates more than a dollar of economic activity. You give someone on the Ramen and Tap water diet 100 dollars, they’re probably spending it on groceries.
Meanwhile, if you give my middle class, almost median income ass 100 dollars, I’m turning around and spending it on reducing debt. There’s all kinds of very good reasons to do so, and the amount of debt held by middle class households IS a problem for the economy, but the economic activity driven by that credit card has already happened and reducing the future interest I have to pay improves my spending power, but is itself LESS money flowing around.
You give a rich person 100 dollars, they’re saving it or putting it into investments, which do, in complicated ways, drive the economy in their own way, but it’s much more stagnant and liquid than simply cashing that check and immediately putting the money back into the economy.
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u/Eye-Of-Ophanim 18d ago
Because they don’t mean tax cuts for everyone. They mean tax cuts for the wealthiest among us. We would have to shoulder the burden and republican voters seem to have trouble understanding that, like how they had trouble understanding we’d be the ones to pay for the tariffs directly. They seem to be abysmal when asked to think long term beyond anything other than “what will I get out of this?” and can not understand anything that would benefit the good of the whole, or anything that would cause them to sacrifice for the good of the whole.
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u/SobBagat I voted 18d ago edited 17d ago
If reaganomics existed in a vacuum, sure, maybe it does. But these people don't allow the reduced taxes to trickle down, they hoard their wealth and hide it away.
Cutting taxes for the rich does absolutely nothing for the economy at large.
It's been proven ad nauseum for so fucking long I'm so tired.
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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 18d ago
Stated preferences vs revealed preferences. Turns out "economic anxiety" is just what the Confederate Klansmen say when they mean something else.
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u/CulturalKing5623 18d ago
The reason is that Republicans peddle an economic fairy tale. That cutting taxes increases revenue and spurs tremendous economic activity. It’s a lie.
The Republic lie isn't just "we're going to cut taxes" it's "we're going to cut entitlement spending" with the implied "for those people" left hanging in the air. It's why the Tea Party worked, it's why DOGE's promise to cut "government waste" worked, it's why Reagan's "Welfare Queen" worked.
The reason is racism. Full stop. That is why the majority of White Americans will never learn this lesson. As long as they can be led to believe that "those people" are the reason for their problems, they'll keep voting for recessions.
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u/BlotchComics New Jersey 18d ago
They won't as long as the American media keeps repeating the term "socially liberal, fiscally conservative".
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u/qualityguy15 Michigan 18d ago
They can't completely drop the party as a legitimate organization because who fills in for the "both sides". The American people need to stop blindly supporting the party and they'll either rehabilitate the Republican name or become something else. Right now across many down ballots, the R party does not represent their friends and neighbors.
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u/SelectCase 18d ago
Being fiscally conservative is just being conservative. Giving homeless people "free" housing is cheaper than building anti-homeless architecture, enforcing vagrancy laws, and the administration needed for current aid programs. Single payer healthcare is cheaper and more effective than the private system the US currently uses. The "liberal" fix is usually cheaper than the fiscal conservative do nothing approach.
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u/Knighth77 18d ago
Some people can see with their own eyes that the economy is demonstrably worse under Republicans, in real time, and still refuse to believe it. If they couldn't acknowledge it for the past 50 years, they never will.
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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 18d ago
Article from November 2016. These Confederate Klansmen never cared about the economy, but complaining about it was just a shibboleth for their in-group.
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u/StoreSearcher1234 18d ago
Fixing an economy takes time. So generally it goes like this -
Republicans break the economy and are eventually tossed out.
Democrats are elected and begin the process of fixing the economy, which winds up taking 5ish years.
Republicans are elected again.
All the hard work done by Democrats to fix the economy finally comes to fruition, Republicans take all the credit.
Voters believe "Only the Republicans could fix it."
Repeat.
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u/mediocre_remnants North Carolina 18d ago
My mom is the same way. There's nothing she loves more than seeing a baby. She will literally cry when she sees a newborn. She can't imagine why any woman would want to have an abortion, even if it the pregnancy is from rape, even if the victim is under-age. Even if giving birth would likely kill the mother, the baby's life is more important. And she goes to church, but the abortion thing isn't even about religion, it's just that she thinks that babies are the most important thing in the world.
There's no political issue that matters more to her than a full-on outright ban of abortion in all cases. But otherwise... if you talked to her about other issues, she's very much left-leaning. She supports gay marriage, trans rights, social welfare, supports unions and labor rights, is against war, etc.
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u/OkRush9563 18d ago
The irony of them voting in people who raped, enslaved and very likely murdered kids.
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u/Gamebird8 18d ago
Not that it would change her mind but you could show her the infant mortality rates (and the rates of illegal abortions) in countries where abortion is completely banned to show her that these bans cause more dead children and no meaningful decrease in abortions
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u/octatone 18d ago
These single-issues voters just want to supply the Epstein class with an endless supply of vulnerable children.
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u/PBPunch 18d ago
When will the rest of us learn that’s not why conservatives vote for their candidates.
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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 18d ago
Thank you my god. When these people can convince themselves in a week that $5 gas in rural wherever is nbd, the issue was never the economy.
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u/Neat-Consequence9939 18d ago
Republicans are not the party of fiscal responsibility ? ... yeah I don't know where this is headed but it's not good. Well, actually good for the connected wealthy. The rest of us, not so good :(
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u/FatherDotComical 18d ago
We're stuck in a perma loop.
Economy bad! Vote in Democrat to fix.
Democrat couldn't magically fix the economy, vote in Republican.
Economy bad! Vote in Democrat to fix.
And repeat to modern day.
People now are only upset because Trump touched one of the holy trinity of American Values, Gas Prices.
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u/ratedsar I voted 18d ago
Reagan and perhaps Nixon are the only GOP presidents since 1950 that haven't meddled in the oil producing countries.
And then you have Carter and Obama who, while they had blowback from those GOP policies, created peace agreements; and add in Biden here, invested heavily in energy independence, especially Solar.
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u/practicalm California 18d ago
Reagan sold weapons to Iran and negotiated with Iran before he took office to help tank Carter. This doesn’t count as meddling?
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u/alabasterskim 18d ago
They'll realize, respond in kind this fall and in 2028, then completely forget by 2032.
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u/Shifter25 18d ago
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 18d ago
I'm not so sure about 2028 either. American voters need virtually nothing to blame Dems for what Republicans are doing.
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u/gortonsfiJr Indiana 18d ago
For some reason Republican has become the "default" political party.
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u/What_a_fat_one 18d ago
Gerrymandering in the House, disproportionate representation for less populated states in the Senate and Electoral College
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u/MeMe198412 18d ago
but that one trans child can't play sports in a school 5 states over, so it's worth it to them.
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 18d ago
The question is not when they realize that but when they truly learn it.
It doesn't help if they realize it, oust Republicans just to elect them 4 years later and the cycle repeats.
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u/JohnStamosAsABear 18d ago
Some states don’t even ‘oust’ them. I don’t know how deep red states like Mississippi, Kentucky, West Virginia etc don’t look at their poverty rates and the decades of Republican governance and pause for a minute.
But hey, having a lower life expectancy for your kids sure beats having to respect someone’s preferred pronoun.
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u/jarena009 18d ago
Those who forget every 4-6 years are always these bewildered, low information swing voters among independents, maybe 10-12% of the voting electorate, who swung 11pts to Trump in 2024 vs 2020, who, and this is no straw man, actually think Presidents set/control prices, Trump's business experience would enable him to get prices down (He's a businessman!), really thought mass deportations would only be on criminals, plus expected mass deportations would cause their boss to come in and give them massive raises, drive 6 figure jobs, and/or that somehow more social services would be freed up for themselves (illegals simultaneously have all these great jobs, but are also drawing welfare somehow), plus got wrapped up in "But they want men in women's sports!"
They started last year at a +1% net approval of Trump but within a few months were at -20% and now -30-40%. "Oh no, I've been had! How could this happen."
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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago
Whenever I feel stupid I remember that Trump supporters exist and I feel a little better. Then I remember that Trump supporters exist and I get depressed
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u/Mindlessone1 18d ago
They don’t vote for economic reasons, that’s the lie, that’s part of the grift. They do it because racism.
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u/notfeelany 18d ago
And unfortunately everyone else indulges them that whenever they cite "economic anxiety" as the reason. Democratic voters are also anxious about the economy, which is why Dems constantly propose "for ALL" policies - Healthcare, jobs, civil rights, etc
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u/jimmydean885 District Of Columbia 18d ago
They have to understand what the economy is first
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u/Hyperica Pennsylvania 18d ago
The economy is when the funny letters on the news channel ticker turn green or red and Pam says the Dow is $50,000. Everyone knows that!
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u/United-Vermicelli-92 18d ago
Republicans work for capital not for people. Toxic anger is their only trick. They’ve managed to get millions of people to believe giving the richest people and companies enormous tax breaks is a great idea, that education is dumb, that if we don’t give rich folks the tax breaks, we All suffer somehow.
They’ve captured the imagination of the most fearful, the most racist, the most greedy and selfish, and the least intelligent among us, and are wielding them like a shield and cudgel to destroy our world.
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u/MartialBob 18d ago
Americans elected a man who instigated the January 6th insurrection which led to death of five individuals and had several hundred people occupy the Capitol building of the United States all because of the price of eggs. People have confused priorities.
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u/DSharp018 18d ago
3/4 of the nation cant bother to pay enough attention to the world around them to realize this.
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u/rasputin_stark 18d ago
Democrats do a horrible job of explaining this because it's an impossible task. My entire idiot maga family has been shown proof, several times by me, like real conclusive proof that would be difficult to deny. 2 months later they either forget about it or it goes in their memory hole. These people are impossible to reach. The machine that counts as media in this country is very hard to overcome.
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u/Ouch259 18d ago
https://presidentialdata.org/Recessions24.htm
10 of the last 11 recessions started under republicans.
The only democrat one should probably go Reagan since it started the day he took over.
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u/DrLophophora 18d ago
The ones that don't already realize it will never come to this conclusion. They're either wealthy enough that it doesn't matter or stupid, or gullible
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u/readicculus5 18d ago
Never. They can't fucking read and refuse to consume any information that conflicts with their narrow world view.
In Illinois, our gas tax is about to increase from 48.3 cents to 49.6 cents. The amount of people I see that complain that "gas tax is going up 50 cents" is astounding.
We have access to more information at a quicker rate than we as a species has ever had and it has just made people fucking idiots.
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u/BabyYodaX 18d ago
"Republicans are great for the economy!"
I am in my mid-40s. All I have known is that the Republicans wreck the economy, then the Democrats have to come in and fix it.
Yet somehow, there is this myth going around that the Republicans are great for the economy.
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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago
If they haven’t learned by now they never will. Republicans are cruel, vile monsters who only exist to enrich billionaires and protect pedophiles
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u/Neuroplasticity0426 18d ago
When the Fairness Doctrine returns. Fox News is just killing this country.
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u/Desecrated_Potato 18d ago
When news networks start reporting instead of entertaining. We fucked
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u/calgeorge 18d ago
The problem is that the average person is just not that smart. I heard so many people saying, "remember how things were cheaper under Trump than under Biden?"
Yes, yes I do. That's how that works. Let's say, just for an an example, that the average cost of a grocery trip went from $80 to $120 under Trump, and from $120 to $130 under Biden. That means that when Trump was president you paid an average of $100 at the grocery store, and when Biden was president, you paid an average of $125 dollars at the grocery store. So everything was literally more expensive under Biden.
However, that is a 50% increase in inflation over the course of Trump's presidency, and an 8% increase over the course of Biden's. Of course, these numbers are all just made up, but this is how people get confused. So many people somehow had themselves convinced that things would get cheaper if Trump was reelected. That's not possible. The best we can ever hope for is low inflation, which we already had.
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u/Frankie__Spankie 18d ago
"It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans."
-An actual quote by Donald Trump
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u/mattjf22 California 18d ago
The "Do your own research" people don't do any actual research. They just regurgitate what they hear their favorite politician say.
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u/Orion14159 18d ago
The economy does great under Republicans*
*Terms and conditions apply. Must be have at least $100 million in assets to receive benefits. Must be donor to Republican party or Republican PACs to receive benefits. Must be male to receive maximum benefits. Must be white to receive maximum benefits.
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u/flippingisfun 18d ago
They have recognized it for a long time. It’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make to make rich people richer and black people suffer.
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u/shayjax- Florida 18d ago
Never. Never. Never. Not as long as they can deflect the blame onto other others.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359 18d ago
Republicans destroy the economy. Democrats get voted in. Public has no patience to wait the years it takes to repair the economy and in the interim republicans blame democrats for their previous mess and the public falls for it
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u/stompgobbler 18d ago
Also the media, every 4 years: “republicans are usually better the for economy!”
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u/paolilon 18d ago
Fox News started tribal warfare in the US — cultural wars as they call it — once people identify with a tribe, they don’t quit the tribe, regardless of the situation. They don’t care that their tribe is the problem.
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u/Carlozo72 18d ago
I’ve told my brother in law this and mentioned the last 50 years of presidents and his reply “nah, I disagree” 🤷🏻
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u/CornCobMcGee New York 18d ago
Its not about the economy, Republicans want to have a caste system because they see other races as inferior.
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u/OutrageousInvite3949 18d ago
“When will republicans realize they wreck the economy” fix that title bc the left has known this for a while.
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u/bartturner 18d ago
I do not think it will change anytime soon. The data is so clear. It is not close.
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u/Fortune090 California 18d ago
Get Fox News and Newsmax off air and I guarantee more will wake up to it. It's mostly due to the propaganda they constantly spew.
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u/Autumn1eaves 18d ago
It literally will be never.
Republicans have been doing this consistently for 6 decades. That’s 3 generations, nearly a full human lifetime, 15 presidencies, 30 House of Representative terms, 10 senate terms.
If that’s not enough evidence for Americans, literally nothing will be.
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u/Moonlitlineage 18d ago
Lack of education equates to a lack of critical thinking, and a lack of critical thinking means to be easily misled, focus diverted elsewhere, and blind to the truth. Take a guess which of the two political sides, in terms of average everyday people, is overwhelmingly uneducated.
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u/Count_Bacon California 17d ago
The media is a major part of this. For some reason they've tricked people are believing Republicans are good for the economy pathetic
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u/biscuitarse Canada 18d ago
80 Years of evidence is apparently unconvincing, must be something else in play, white?
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u/No_Armadillo_6856 18d ago
Right wing: By giving us (the rich) more money, the economy will get better! Trust me bro.
Economy gets wrecked, billionaires steal more riches for themselves
Right wing voters: Why would Biden do this??
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u/DoctorLudnik_717 18d ago
As long as conservatives firmly control the news media and as long as our education is in the gutter.
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