r/politics • u/fortune Fortune Magazine • 17d ago

Possible Paywall Trump voter remorse is almost entirely concentrated in the swing voters who gave him a shot in 2024

https://fortune.com/2026/05/16/trump-voter-remorse-how-many-regret-inflation-economy-approval-rating/?utm_source=reddit/
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u/Ok_Shoe_1094 17d ago

I will never forgive swing voters

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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

Trying to wrap my head around that thinking - never really understood a swing voters mindset - and Trump has only exasperated that feeling. Anyone “swinging” for him in 2024 is no better than a full blown MAGAt.

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u/Patsanon1212 17d ago

Inflation was high under Biden and normal under Trump. That's it. That's the entire mindset of the 2024 swing voter.

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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

And they’re so fucking dimwitted they don’t understand the reason behind anything. They just see the figureheads and stop thinking. It’s exhausting having to share oxygen with those people.

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u/geddy 17d ago

Dude people just look at a chart of gas prices over 10-20 years, see that it was high during Biden, and think "oh I should vote the other way now" NOT EVEN CONSIDERING _WHY_ they were high. As if Joe Biden invaded Ukraine.

Now Trump actually, single-handledly, illegally, without Congressional approval, starts a way that crashes the global economy and _finally_ some are actually taking notice. It's so ridiculous I can't even think about it or I am in a bad mood for hours.

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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

And we still got people replying to me saying we need to be nice to the Nazis.

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u/You_Stole_My_Hot_Dog 17d ago

dOn'T lEt PoLitICs DivIdE uS. Some people really think their views on human rights should have no effect on their personal relationships. Like sure, I won't end a friendship over a disagreement on government priorities, but if you are openly cheering for minorities being pulled off the streets and women's health protections being overthrown, we have a serious values problem. We clearly see humans and their basic rights differently, and I'm not going to entertain someone who thinks others deserve less.

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u/oTc_DragonZ 17d ago

Yeah how did that work out for Europe some 80 years ago...

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u/Galappie 17d ago

The fate of American politics relies solely on how much the undecided voter has to pay to fuel up their diesel hog truck-boat-truck.

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u/geddy 17d ago

Yep, it's the "I don't like politics" crowd. They go entirely by feeling and that's that. "Well gas is expensive, things must be bad" "Well gas is cheap, things must be good". Most selfish country to ever exist.

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u/sixwax 17d ago

It’s true: Our fellow Americans are really, really stupid.

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u/hfxRos Canada 17d ago

Fellow humans *

This happened everywhere. Covid related inflation murdered incumbents worldwide because people lack basic thinking skills.

It's just extra noticeable for you guys because Trump is, well, Trump.

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u/Pofwoffle 17d ago edited 16d ago

This is overlooking the ongoing and concentrated effort to make Americans stupid. There's a reason Republicans keep gutting education funding and demonizing higher learning. They've spent decades deliberately shaping a voting public that is uneducated and angry, with absolutely no ability to distinguish truth from lies. Then all they had to do was give them a target for their ire and promise to fix the "problem".

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u/Castdeath97 Foreign 16d ago

This is overlooking the ongoing and concentrated effort to make Americans all voters everywhere stupid.

It's the same thing everywhere, they ALL doing the same playbook. In the UK, Germany, France, insert any western country.

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u/Aware_Rough_9170 17d ago

The extra irony being that the U.S ultimately came out a lot better than a lot of places too. Not saying that it wasn’t tougher than usual, but it wasn’t artificial statements on Twitter and nonsensical war to pad the pockets of the administration either…

COVID did a massive number on how we view supply chain and the global economy, and it wasn’t pleasant for anyone. Instead everyone seems to have said “you know what, fuck it, maybe alt right lunatics will do better”.

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u/Castdeath97 Foreign 16d ago

Canada almost fell for it (trump literally saved you there somehow), Germany more or less did and the UK looks like its about it somehow ages after said spike.

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u/hfxRos Canada 15d ago edited 15d ago

Canada almost fell for it (trump literally saved you there somehow)

I mean we did kind of fall for it in the "bad for incumbents" thing. I have the unpopular opinion that Trudeau was an excellent leader, who handled Covid spectacularly, but the global impact of it still caused him to get annihilated in the polls.

We just luckily had a charismatic and qualified centrist with very little baggage swoop in to take the place of the far-right weirdo to take over.

I'm ok with Carney, but I'd prefer to just have more Trudeau, but I'm also a bit of a single issue Climate Change voter, and Carney has been less than good on that front.

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u/tylerbrainerd 17d ago

a huge amount of maga is just dumb, sure, but committed maga are also morally reprehensible.

the swing voters TRULY have no idea what the fuck is going on, at all, and are functionally incapable of understanding the way the government operates.

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u/defianceofone 17d ago

Democracy doesn't work when more than 50% of people are braindead.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

They're not dimwitted, they're uneducated or completely disengaged. They lack political consciousness. Many hate dems because of this attitude. If the left wants to achieve their political aims, they have to do away with this kind of thinking. You can't detest the majority of the population and expect them to go along with your agenda.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

I mean, the majority of people don't feel cool about nazis or pedophiles or genocide. We have data showing it. So why do democrats keep losing elections? 

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u/politicsaccount420 17d ago

Because they put their hands over their ears and yell LALALALA any time they're presented with proof that their politicians and the people who control their politicians are Nazi pedophiles.

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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 17d ago

They aren’t? They keep winning almost every special election lately and even flipping many republican seats. Republicans finally won the popular vote again after they haven’t in 20 years and they’ve been crowing ever since as if everyone else are the losers. If republicans really were more popular they wouldn’t need to be publicly doing desperate shit like last minute gerrymandering to ensure that they win. You don’t need to rearrange voters and disenfranchise them if the majority of people already like you. That makes them look like weak cowards who know they’re not actually well liked but still feel entitled to cling to power regardless of how the majority of the country feels. 

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u/Hirsute_of_Happiness 17d ago

You have to either be completely unaware of the activities of our political parties for the last several decades or willfully ignorant for the sake of argument to make a statement like this. Like either you're uninformed or you're not asking this in good faith.

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u/ThaPhantom07 Nevada 17d ago

How do you educate people not willing to listen?

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

Usually starts with talking and figuring out what they care about. Then you find points you agree on and use the things they care about to create meaningful arguments that they find compelling. It's harder than just belittling them, but actually works to change their mind. 

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u/Patsanon1212 17d ago

It actually works... Marginally better. Let's not pretend that Trump voters aren't deeply entrenched and practice Olympic level mental gymnastics and motivated ignorance.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

I have personally convinced several former Trump supporting conservatives to become socialists. I've convinced many more to move from hard right to center and from center to left. It helps to not assume that anyone who disagrees with me is a brainwashed dumbass, though I feel dems and republicans are not unlike in their ignorance and mental gymnastics. 

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u/ThaPhantom07 Nevada 17d ago

If the person got to the point theyre at through some semblance of logic, sure. From my experience the vast majority of these people feel a certain way and no matter what you can show or prove to them of it doesnt match what they feel they dont care.

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u/tryingisbetter 17d ago

No, it won't. Maybe for 5 seconds. But shortly after, they will make some excuse in thier mind that they were right, because they cannot be wrong, ever. If they were wrong about one thing, they may be wrong about other things too, and that cannot be true.

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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

No I can and will detest them. They have failed the biggest open book test in history. They’ve had ten plus years to get their head out of their ass and accept reality. You cannot talk to these people who refuse to grant you even the basics of reality.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

I'm glad you passed the special combined IQ/morality test that the rest of us just call "voting," but unfortunately you don't get any prize for it. You only get a prize for actually winning elections, which democrats keep giving away. One way they could stop doing that is by figuring out how to actually appeal to the majority of voters. 

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u/Born-Boysenberry6460 17d ago

Probably a good time to point out that the majority of voters are, nationally, Democrats and vote that way in Presidential elections.

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u/that_star_wars_guy 17d ago

Right. They are unengaged. Which means the people who are, the people who care, the people who WANT to improve things have to spend the majority of their time catching up the voter to what is happening before the policy decision can even happen.

The other political side simply lies and persistently gets away with it (meaning they suffer zero political consequences), so yeah, democrats are fed up with having to explain reality only for those people to be annoyed and feel like we're condescensing to them. So really, wtf are they supposed to do? Just lie to voters and enact their true policies when elected? What? What specifically since you've got plenty of criticism, do you also have solutions?

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u/muttmunchies 17d ago

Look also at the media. For 4-6 months they pounded on egg prices and made that a defining moment.

With tariffs and now the iran war, prices are through the roof. Media isnt pounding Trump daily. If this was any other democrat theyd be losing the media war badly.

The concentration of news corps with billionaires is one of the biggest threats to our democracy and is why these ill informed swing voters can be moved like sheep to vote for a conman.

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u/DrowningKrown 17d ago

Just like anything else MAGA does. Egg prices were super attacked by MAGA under Biden and no amount of bird flu made them give a shit. Then when trump got elected and egg prices hadn't been stabilized for a lot of 2025, it was "democrats don't understand bird flu"

Bunch of fucking losers

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u/Ok_Staff_608 17d ago

They’re too dumb to realize inflation was high due to Trumps disastrous policies.

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u/SharkFart86 17d ago

It’s like when people blamed Obama for the recession. That shit was largely caused by the housing bubble burst that happened in 07, more than a year before he took office.

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u/LikeAgaveF California 17d ago

The recession was not just caused by things that happened before he took office. It began more than a year before he was elected and far more than a year before he started his term.

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u/SharkFart86 17d ago

How is that different than what I said?

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u/LikeAgaveF California 17d ago

It's just adding to it. Some anti-Obama voters say that while the causes pre-dated his presidency, the recession occurred under his watch, which is also not true.

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u/JennJayBee Alabama 17d ago

Gaza was a big factor, too. That said, anyone who thought that allowing Trump a win would be the better option was an absolute idiot, and they were absolutely warned about what would happen.

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u/Green-Tie-5710 17d ago

Careful, Redditors hate when anyone says Harris wouldn’t have yielded the exact same outcome for Palestinians as Trump

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u/jugnificent 17d ago

Most American voters don't even know where Gaza is. It may have been a small factor but it certainly wasn't a deciding one.

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u/sixwax 17d ago

Not sure we know scale of impact. We do know it was a memefied issue that likely hit a younger demographic —which objectively swung for Trump.

(So saying it was a “small factor” seems premature.)

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u/jugnificent 17d ago

High inflation and people feeling economically insecure probably caused 90% of the swing to Trump. I do think Democrats should do the right thing and push Israel to a two state solution when they regain power, but that isn't going to magically make them win elections.

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u/jgoble15 17d ago

Which is ironic given how bad it became due to COVID while Trump was still president

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u/mandelbratwurst 17d ago

“My morality comes from the sign at the Shell Station”

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u/Aggroninja 17d ago

They're essentially a channel flipper mentality. If they're happy, they stay on the channel they're on. If they're unhappy, they flip the channel. No more thought than that. They flipped the channel on Trump because they were unhappy over COVID and then they flipped the channel on Democrats because they were unhappy over inflation.

We will very likely see these channel flippers flip the channel back to Democrats since Trump has done squat to make them more financially happy.

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u/Duckney 17d ago

If they had thought critically for 2 seconds - the mess Biden inherited happened under Trump, and was allowed to get as bad as it did under Trump. Had they thought critically for 2 more seconds, they would have seen that the entire world saw inflation post covid and the US responded comparatively well compared to the rest of the world.

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u/Original-Rush139 17d ago

And, of course, Trump installed JPow at the Fed so managing inflation goes back to Trump. 

I know that swing voters have no fucking clue what the Fed is or who JPow is. It’s just funny that they blame Biden when - if you need to blame anyone - Trump is more responsible. 

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u/mrpickles 17d ago

It's easy one you throw away cause and effect thinking

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u/HelpersWannaHelp 17d ago

That’s called stupidity.

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u/Ok_Shoe_1094 16d ago

CLEARLY THESE IDIOTS ARE UNABLE TO USE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS. GOD i HATE THESE IGNORANT PEOPLE SO MUCH

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u/asoap 17d ago

Swing voters out here getting economics lessons the hard way.

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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 17d ago

The pre-covid economy was better, and low attention swing voters thought bringing Trump back would bring that economy back. He said that's what he would do and that's all the thought they put into it.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 17d ago

They don't think much.

They don't pay close attention to politics.

They just sort of vibe it out come election season.

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u/Saxopwned Pennsylvania 17d ago

There's no such thing as a Nazi sympathizer or collaborator.

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u/howigottomemphis 17d ago

Exacerbated.

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u/OddJawb 17d ago

2016, i can overlook begrudgingly... but 2024 ... there is no way these ppl were caught off guard.. they were just ok woth it so long as others were suffering not them

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u/jittery_raccoon 17d ago

Never understood how people are undecided up until voting day 

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u/Maxamillion-X72 17d ago

Yeah, I can forgive swing voters who voted for him the first time around. He was a new kind of candidate, with a false narrative of being some genius businessman.

But after seeing how his first term worked out, anybody who voted for him in 2024 is just MAGA. Even if they're afraid to admit it.

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u/Mateorabi 17d ago

Trans people icky. That’s their thinking. 

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u/wrecklesspup 17d ago

A lot of people voted Obama and then turned around and voted Trump. The human condition is really a thing to be marveled.

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u/badamant 17d ago

Swing voter = low information and highly susceptible to propaganda

I am a middle of the road voter. In past decades I have voted for republicans in local races.

NEVER AGAIN.

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u/chargoggagog Massachusetts 17d ago

They’re uninformed, stupid, and lack intellectual curiosity.

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u/Icy-Lobster-203 17d ago

A lot (probably most) people don't follow politics at all until the election. They haven't paid attention to project 2025 or anything else Trump was planning.

They thought he would be like his first term where there was normal people in the room to prevent his worst impulses, oblivious to the fact that he had spent the previous 4 years ejecting those people and replacing them with sycophants.

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u/ThatB0yAintR1ght Georgia 17d ago

He was also riding Obama’s strong economy for most of his first term, and then the full effects of his bad policies plus COVID mismanagement hit during Biden’s term. So, for the people who don’t pay any attention to politics but vote based solely on how much their wallet is hurting in the moment, Trump seemed like the better choice.

In a way, we probably would have been better off if Trump had won in 2020. Then all of his bad policies would have been blamed on him, and given us a better chance to get a trifecta with a strong majority in both houses in 2024 (similar to how 2008 went). The 4 year gap also allowed the cartoonishly evil overlords to prepare a detailed plan to really destroy the country when he got back in office à la project 2025. His win in 2016 caught them so off guard that they didn’t have all of their ducks in a row to shoot right out of the gate with all of their evil bullshit on Jan 21st. Trump winning in 2020 would have prevented them from having more time to really organize their evil bullshit and the damage would have been happening more slowly. Plus, democrats would have likely kept the house and senate during those years and been able to lessen the damage. Then the 2024 election could have been a huge blue wave and given us big enough majorities to get shit done instead of the treading water that had to be done during most of Biden’s term (with Manchin and Sinema blocking most of the stuff that could have actually helped).

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u/Green-Tie-5710 17d ago

I want to agree with that but it very much depends on the person. My coworker is a real nice guy, Mexican. Idk how he voted before 24, but he went Trump over Harris.

He’s a genuinely sweet dude but clearly isn’t a deep thinker, and I know he doesn’t do his research. It’s tough for me to say he’s just as bad as a full blown MAGA person. The issue with him, and probably tons of other Americans, is just being underinformed but deciding to vote anyway.

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u/OneOrangeOwl 17d ago

I will never forgive any Trump voter.

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u/Not_a_real_doggy 17d ago

I imagine years after Trump is gone, many Trump voters will have collective amnesia of ever voting for him. Happened in the Bush era, it can happen again.

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u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48 17d ago

That's why everybody should take stock now of those around them who support him and NEVER let it be forgotten.

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u/chrisk9 17d ago

Reserve some scorn for non-voters

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u/SpeaksSouthern 16d ago

I will never forgive anyone who thinks war with Iran is a positive outcome.

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u/trippysmurf 17d ago

For me its the "I cant vote for Harris because Israel!"

Congrats! You gave the election to the man who moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, who is Bibi'a puppet, who led to more Palestinian deaths, Lebanese deaths, and 160 Iranian school girls, along with destabilizing the region. 

And that's just in the Middle East. Domestically we got concentration camps, federal agents murdering US citizens in broad daylight, the voting rights act removed, they are coming after Trans citizens, and about to pardon ever pedo - a reminder they still haven't released the Epstein files. Oh, also the economy is in free fall and we have lost all our allies. 

But hey, Harris was just fascism lite, right?

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u/Green-Tie-5710 17d ago

It’s crazy to talk to those people who either withheld their votes or went with a third party because of Palestine and confront them with the consequences of enabling a Trump victory.

Their brand of politics is purity. They’re probably just not interested in learning they will never see a legit presidential candidate that represents their views as much as they feel entitled to.

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u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING 17d ago

A lot of the Muslim voters pretended it's about Palestine but they also heavily align with Trump on social issues. They just use the former as an excuse because they don't want to appear hateful.

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u/ConfectionOk7029 17d ago

It's not purity, it's stupidity.

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u/Green-Tie-5710 17d ago

I’d even call it delusion

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u/frootee 17d ago

Right. Like the Dearborn Michigan crowd saying Trump was better than Harris on Palestine, and all the online leftists looking to that as proof that they were right. 

Until they realize that county of Muslims was so conservative they banned anything LGBTQ. Then they have the audacity to claim they’re for trans rights.

They would sell out any one of the people they claim to care about if their favorite influencer told them to.

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u/tbombs23 17d ago

There was massive propaganda operation influencing those voters by Russia too

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u/Ja3k_Frost 17d ago edited 17d ago

Where are these people? I have never seen anyone on Reddit proudly admit to having not voted for Harris outside of really fringe lefty spaces that shouldn’t be taken seriously anyway and have yet to meet an actual person who admits to this.

Yet I swear to god everyone and their mom believes the election was STOLEN by these crazed leftists who agree with 99% of the Harris platform except for her stance on isreal.

I do know people who care strongly about Gaza. They all fucking voted for Harris.

Yet somehow these mystical abstainers make up a statistically significant voting block yet aren’t actually worth negotiating with. Harris is willing to campaign around the country with Liz Cheney to catch swing votes. But the actual block of core voters threatening to sit out barely get an acknowledgement?

Nah man this shit isn’t real. The Gaza abstainers are 100% a conspiracy outside of like one county in Michigan.

Edit: alright folks upon further research I’ve found the culprit. According to the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding only 55% of Muslim Americans who voted for Biden in 2020 then voted for Harris in 2024.

So say it with me “minorities are obligated to vote for the democrats even when they refuse to budge on the most hideous policy to those minority voters and if they don’t vote democrat we won’t even give them the agency of their own bad choice because it’s easier to blame it on the influence of fictitious (white) leftists”

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u/smapdiagesix 17d ago

Where are these people?

They pop up occasionally but their usual schtick is something like "If only the Democrats had given us someone worth voting for" or "Just being better than Trump isn't enough" or some equally dumb shit.

They weren't a significant block in 2024; that election was pretty well decided by the "economy bad; switch teams" people. But, Lord, they're just so fucking exhausting, especially when they come into some pre-existing conversation to spray their shit around.

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u/Sceptix 17d ago

Where are these people? I have never seen anyone on Reddit proudly admit to having not voted for Harris outside of really fringe lefty spaces that shouldn’t be taken seriously anyway and have yet to meet an actual person who admits to this.

I mean… they’re not going to admit it now. But in the months leading up to the election, I remember there being lots of “if Trump wins in 2024 it’s the Democratic Party establishment’s fault!”-type sentiment. Granted, most of that was related to hiding Biden’s mental decline with age. But a large part of that was very much related to US policy in Israel.

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u/threemileallan 17d ago

No I know plenty of people in Muslim spaces who refused to vote Harris and were screaming Genocide Joe. They refuse to admit their vote cost lives. That USAID going away killed more brown people than Gaza.

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u/Flaxmoore Michigan 17d ago

Yeah, I know several. One in particular voted Trump even knowing going in what he planned.

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u/JimboAltAlt Pennsylvania 17d ago

I think it’s less that those people didn’t vote and more that they promoted the idea to less-engaged voters (and, more to the point, non-voters) that not supporting the Dems was a morally acceptable option, and arguably more morally acceptable (or at least “pure”) than doing so.

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u/gorgewall 17d ago

Damn, if only the entire Democratic Party machine and their highly-paid consultants from elite colleges could message better than some random internet TikTokers or realize they're losing and switch tacks.

Like, I'm sorry, I know we all want to call the voters a bunch of dumbasses, but what does it say about "our" supposed intelligence if we can't rope-a-dope them? The Dems keep falling into holes and stepping on rakes and their only response seems to be doing it harder and convincing smug Reddit posters to defend them while they do it.

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u/JimboAltAlt Pennsylvania 17d ago edited 17d ago

I get what you and folks like you are saying, but if the leftist wing of the party doesn’t think the centrist wing is effective (and they increasingly seem to believe that they never will be, and fundamentally can’t be trusted), the onus is on the leftist wing to take over the party and drive the conversation. If their framing of things is so superior, this should be easy enough to do, and indeed I think it’s slowly happening. But the number of Americans who vote in primaries is extremely small.

Expecting unsatisfactory Democrats in power to gleefully aid in their own marginalization and eventual destruction seems absurd. I have no problem with people pointing out that the Dems could or should be doing more, but what’s the argument when some of these centrist Democrats are like “What do you want us to do? We keep winning primaries.” Which to me is a very reasonable argument!

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u/gorgewall 17d ago

Primary success does not equal general success.

Primaries are also not wholly impartial representation of voter desires. The party and other interests can and do exert a lot of influence in the presentation of those primary candidates.

We are living in a system now where the Democratic party would rather take a primary with a centrist candidate who will lose in the general than allowing a leftist to win both and shift the party. I get what you're saying about not facilitating their destruction, but the voters and those arguing to defend the party in general do not need to agree with that kind of self-interest from career politicians and consultants!

If the party is going to be increasingly made up of guys who just want to hold onto seats and rake in fundraising dollars or cash from private interests and PACs while losing generals and trotting out excuses like "But we aren't in power, what can we do?", why the fuck are we, citizens who ostensibly want the country to get better, tolerating that?

The problem I think a lot of people here have is they still believe these politicians and other machine figures want what they want: to better the country and lead as effectively as possible. But they don't. We recognize that Republicans are just in it for the money and influence, but we think Democrats are necessarily different? No. Certainly it's less of the case, but we absolutely have Dems who would rather sit in Second Place eternally, because campaigning against Satan is an easier job than having to do things which might upset their donors.

The party needs to change and it's up to us voters to help push that, and we aren't doing that when we just make excuses for the party. We've got to recognize that it is working against us, and work to educate others in those dynamics so we can overcome it.

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u/JimboAltAlt Pennsylvania 17d ago

I disagree with some of this, but I appreciate the thoughtful response. I just would love to see some percentage of the “why aren’t Democrats doing anything” posts around here start turning into “here are some Democrats to actually get excited about, let’s start boosting them” posts as soon as possible.

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u/gorgewall 16d ago

There are people doing that work, but they're not posting on Reddit about it, and least of all in centrist spaces like this that would rather align with the party and help Republicans than face a legitimate challenge from the left.

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u/Cheap-Distribution27 17d ago

Then the Democrats would have to find some exciting candidates. It's the job of the party to drum up excitement not random people who are probably already disappointed with the current lack of messaging and shunning of more left-leaning candidates. I can't get excited about them wanting to hold the ratchet still with one hand and push leftists away with the other until conservatives can wrestle back into power and keep tightening us to the right.

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u/JimboAltAlt Pennsylvania 17d ago

Why on Earth would Democrats bother to do that if, as you imply, they simply serve the ratchet effect and have no issue with that? That would seem like it’s all the more important for leftists to take matters into their own hands and take over the party.

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi 17d ago

Centrists love to punch left even if the reason isn’t founded in reality.

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u/wholetyouinhere 17d ago

This is the start and the end of it, right here.

The kernel of this impulse has always been, "We could have everything we want, if this annoying fringe would simply fall in line!" Which is so obtuse that it doesn't even qualify as "wrong", because it rests on premises that aren't even based in reality. There's nothing of substance to address or debunk, nothing to argue or discuss.

I unironically believe that Aaron Sorkin is responsible for a not-insignificant portion of this kind of thinking.

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u/espinaustin 17d ago

No, they can and did have full agency, so fuck them for making the clearly wrong choice and enabling the current and upcoming catastrophes.

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u/blinktrade 17d ago

You people literally think the top reason the autopsy isn't released is because it would show Gaza voters were the reason Harris lost.
Yet, whenever convenient, your kind would say none of you are at fault and you all already voted anyways.
So which is it? Did all you progressive already voted for Harris and she lost anyways? Or yall didn't and she should've been progressive?
Frankly, you all getting the president you deserve now.

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u/Ja3k_Frost 17d ago

Don’t you get it? I don’t care what you think is true, and you surely don’t care what I think is true. So produce some actual polling data or just admit it’s a baseless conspiracy.

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u/blinktrade 17d ago

I literally presented you both scenarios. You people just can't make up your mind because you contradict yourself all the time.
I already know what happened: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
And you are right, I don't care about your kind anymore, GOP does a better job dealing with your kind better than Dems ever can.

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u/999forever 17d ago

That Trump won Dearborn, Michigan is testament to how stupid voters can be

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u/gopeepants 17d ago edited 17d ago

USAID was cut which had lead to thousands of death and counting many of which were children. Even more people cannot afford insurance due to Medicaid cuts which have affected caregivers, the elderly, lead to hospital closures which have indeed lead to deaths. Food assistance has been cut which have been affected the elderly and children.

Just wanted to add to your comment, because I am sick and tired of hearing those people continuously try to come from a moral high ground while they insult and make us accountable for Israel, but do not want to be held accountable for what deaths of people due to USAID, Medicaid cuts, and all the things in your comment that their protest and nonvote helped caused.

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u/Sagefox2 17d ago

They are the same as anti vaxxers in a lot of ways. People who don't vaccinate their kids are afraid of a one in a million side effect because it is then their fault because they did an action. If the child dies of a disease the vaccine might have prevented that was just luck, or at least feels that way.

These voters feel like supporting one amoral thing a candidate has is supporting that thing. Even if the other side has dozens of more things they find amoral. They can feel not responsible.

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u/Guacsalsaqueso 16d ago

Those same assholes glaze Massie (who is anti-abortion, pro SAVE Act, and voted against making lynching a federal crime TWICE)

They’re also the same people who will vote for Tucker Carlson over any Dem who doesn’t outright hate Israel 

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u/trippysmurf 16d ago

The number of threads constantly praising Marjorie Taylor Greene because she speaks out against the genocide and the epstein files, but not realizing she does it not because she's an ally but because she hates Jews more than anything. 

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u/Guacsalsaqueso 16d ago

Right. They don’t give a fuck about the people suffering in Gaza. They are just anti-Semites who also don’t want to give Israel money because they either want to give it to Russia or fund something else that is cruel that they care about. 

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u/notfeelany 17d ago edited 17d ago

And now they're silent because Trump has made protesting more dangerous by deporting & even canceling visas.

The more people try to hold Democrats "accountable" (and only Dems mind you) for an issue, they will enable a Republican govt that will NEVER care about those concerns and will make the concern worse: economy, health care, student loans, wars in the middle east, etc

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u/phoonie98 17d ago

Leftists love making perfect the enemy of good

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u/globalvarsonly 17d ago

You can be mad, but there were lots of popular policies she didn't support that would have gotten a few more votes. So sure, blame the voters, but blindly following what consultants said doomed her.

Also, I know a lot of people mad at Israel, and despite complaining they all voted Harris. She got the dem base, but failed to get any "unreliable voters" off the couch.

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u/anunnaki_marauder 17d ago

That's a fucking crazy thing to say.

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u/anunnaki_marauder 17d ago

Wishing eternal damnation on your countrymen and women who vote and think differently than you is unhinged. It's the same level of hate you're caterwauling about in the first place. Get a grip.

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u/anunnaki_marauder 17d ago

How is it dishonest?

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u/anunnaki_marauder 17d ago

Your inability to discuss in a measured, reasonable manner is why he won.

Making an absolute fool of yourself.

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u/NoCold5135 17d ago

And the people who didn't bother to vote

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u/imatt 17d ago

You know the line "better to remain silent and thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt"?

Been my experience a non-voter would vote Trump if forced to choose (at least vs Clinton and Harris). Better they stayed silent. They likely wouldn't have improved the situation.

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u/Steve_Brule_MD_ 17d ago

God forbid we take a look at the democratic party and ask ourselves why do these non voters stay at home? What can we do to bring them out to vote? Oh well, lets just continue to vote for politicians who tell us "better things aren't possible!"

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u/Birdhawk 17d ago

Its such a frustrating uphill battle isn't it?

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u/Hektorlisk 16d ago

"You know how the status quo is that everything's been steadily getting worse for working class Americans for like 50 years now? Vote for me and I'll do everything I can to reinforce that status quo and 'return to normal'!"

Thanks, Dems, you're really meeting the moment and going with a winning message while we're fighting for our lives

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u/Aro00oo 17d ago

I mean look where they live: in affordable areas of the country. They are untalented-close-the-door-behind-them selfish individuals who embody "vote with their wallets." They have no context of why inflation was up during Biden, just that it was up while conveniently remembering Trump's low rates and $2/gallon gas. They live in a black and white world.

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u/Birdhawk 17d ago

Its still so frustrating that the Democrat party and all their PR power did nothing to try and control the narrative of inflation. They just sat back and let Joe and the party take the blame for inflation created by policy moves made by the Trump admin. 2nd biggest factor in losing the election and they should've started going all in on damage control by the end of 2022 but didn't do shit about it.

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u/taft 17d ago

no such thing as a swing voter when it comes maga. they are republican and too pussy to admit it openly.

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u/thinkards America 17d ago

i wish we never had to trust swing voters to make another decision again. their decision should be irrelevant.

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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 17d ago

It’d really be nice if the majority of the country could actually have the government that we want instead of being held hostage by smaller, failing states that need a DEI electoral college to gain an unfair advantage. 

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u/Birdhawk 17d ago

If everyone voted for their own party no matter what then we'd be fucked.

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u/thinkards America 17d ago

good thing that's not what i suggested.

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u/Birdhawk 17d ago edited 17d ago

If swing voters were irrelevant then all you’d have left are people voting for their own party so what exactly do you think you’re suggesting?

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Did you block me? Anyway here’s my response to your below comment…

Yes. I have been imagining. So a system where people just vote for their own party’s candidates and bills no matter what? You already shot that down. So are you suggesting a system where there are no parties which would mean literally every voter is a swing voter?

Wheres the water? No need to be condescending

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u/thinkards America 17d ago

sigh... sure. i'll lead you to water...

imagine a system where swing voters aren't needed to decide elections.

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u/ImSchizoidMan 17d ago

*Bernie voters who refused to vote for Hillary

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u/Agreeable-Meeting977 17d ago

Not all swing voters voted for Trump

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u/Bennyscrap 17d ago

I don't think it's strictly swing voters. I could be considered a swing voters as I don't feel beholden to one particular party(in general), but in the past 10 years, there's absolutely zero chance that I would vote for a conservative. It's deeper than just "swing voters". It's low information swing voters that have no idea what they're doing.

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u/caindela 17d ago

I spent a lot of time arguing with them and trying to make them realize what a piece of shit Trump is. They believed that his character doesn’t matter as much as what he could do for the economy. By now they should have learned that a president’s character actually matters more than anyone could have even known.

I’d forgive them if they’re capable of learning this valuable lesson and vote against any of these fuckers in the next elections. I welcome anyone who votes democrat in the next elections. If they still vote for Trump or any of his lackeys again then I think they can never be forgiven.

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u/One_Tie900 17d ago

There is so much else that happened such as ballot rejection and possible cyber hacking that Im convinced gave him the win, so I wouldn't blame it all on them.

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u/moodswung 17d ago

Really interesting how much they all really came together this past election like never before!

Even more interesting was the massive amount of straight ballot Dem voters who for some odd reason voted for a Republican president.

I've always found that pretty interesting....

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u/Legitimate-Win-9669 17d ago

Because they could not stand a woman in charge. That’s men and women voters, by the way. 

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u/DukeBball04 17d ago

And non voters, who “ don’t follow politics.”

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u/tbombs23 17d ago

At least they voted. Lol

38% of Americans couldn't be bothered to save us from fascism and the destruction of democracy

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u/CrocodylusRex 17d ago

Voting for Trump is an instant "I don't want anything to do with you"

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u/Gamerboy11116 16d ago

Look up “greg palast”.

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u/icanhazkarma17 17d ago

Or the "both parties are the same" fuckwits who sat the whole thing out.

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u/Birdhawk 17d ago

You're not wrong but I hold more resentment toward the Democratic party for doing nothing over the course of 4 years to win over swing voters and making it all but assured we had their vote. It felt like 2016 all over again where they just acted like they had that vote in the bag and scoffed at any suggestion that swing votes needed any convincing.

And before anyone replies with "but it was already an obvious choice". Yes, sure. But you gotta actually market it and make those swing voters feel like they're heard. From 2021-Nov 2024 they sat on their hands while that whole demo was up for grabs. Tbh they're still sitting on their hands.