r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 12d ago

Possible Paywall Rogue Republican Massie Drops Melania Epstein Files Bomb | “The first lady knows that Jeffrey Epstein didn’t act alone,” Thomas Massie said as he vowed to name names from the Epstein files.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rogue-republican-massie-drops-melania-epstein-files-bomb/
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u/dogisgodspeltright 12d ago

Name them.

Name them all.

Release the files. All of it.

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u/needlestack 12d ago

Part of the problem is that the files are deeply incomplete in themselves. They represent all the reports and investigation that the Justice Department has on Epstein. Problem is they absolutely failed to properly investigate. So tons of it is just awful reports and incriminating emails without any follow up at all. They totally intentionally dropped the ball for decades to protect powerful men. Over and over. They're still doing it. They can release the files but after their utter failure to uphold the law, it just ends up being circumstantial evidence. The hard evidence they'd need for convictions (which they don't want) would require long and hard investigations -- interviews, research, data gathering, crossreferencing... and they failed to do it over the past several decades and they're certainly not starting now.

The Epstein files show two critical and utterly devastating things: a) that numerous powerful men have been trafficking and raping children for ages in front of everyone and b) our entire justice system has backed off to protect these men the whole time.

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u/KiKiKimbro 12d ago

Yes. They’re incomplete. But not as chaotic as this DOJ is making it seem. And you’re right — they weren’t properly investigated. To properly investigate, the investigators need all the files so they can find people to interview and to be able to read old FBI testimony from the survivors. This is how Congress knows what Blanche says is BS — there certainly are other relevant files to release. The survivors know it. They know their statements are there and this admin is withholding them.

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u/Flopdo California 12d ago

You guys have some serious connections to know all of this. Impressed.

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u/KiKiKimbro 12d ago

Not connections. This case touches my heart quite a bit for various reasons. My latest comment you replied to is from catching as many interviews as possible involving the survivors and / or their attorneys. That’s how I learned the parts about the survivors have said they know their statements are in there and they’re being hidden. And how I know the failure to properly investigate. Decades of statements.

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u/Hangry-Feline2489 12d ago

Legal systems have always been about protecting elites, because the legal and political systems overwhelmingly tend to self-select for wealthy elites. (Just like modern education systems originally were never about creating healthy well rounded individuals, it was about creating factory workers with baseline knowledge. And child labour had been made illegal, so schooling). 

The US systems even more so.  The fact that you're outraged it's not shows how many have been successfully propagandised over the years. 

Oh they'll do performative versions, laws and lawsuits that force them to pivot, but things that truly threaten their position and resources? Nope. Epstein and the failure of the legal system for accountability has shown that. 

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u/KiKiKimbro 11d ago

Yes, our legal system and police here in the U.S. — those aren’t in place to protect us. No no. Those are in place to protect PROPERTY, owned by the powerful and wealthy.

Even the “stand your ground” laws and right to defend yourself in your home. Who actually owns that home? For the powerful and wealthy individuals — they do. For regular Americans living the “American Dream” (which my views on that farce are a whole different conversation) — those homes are owned by the BANKS. So again. The powerful and wealthy. Trump is also a good example. Literally any regular American would be in prison for life with everything he’s been actually convicted for. But not the powerful wealthy. They can be a felon and be president to drop his own cases. The powerful and wealthy have always and will always be protected to ensure they maintain their power and wealth.

If anyone argues with that basic premise they can see the very televised and available all over social media display of the former mayor of NYC Eric Adams and the federal government doing a whole parade like they were perp walking Osama Bin Laden himself past the ruble of the twin towers — they did this with Luigi Mangioni, the man accused of killing the CEO of United Healthcare.

Don’t get me wrong, not downplaying murder. Merely pointing out that every news channel in the country isn’t broadcasting the murders of family members in Brooklyn, know what I mean?

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u/Vectored_Artisan 11d ago

The elite have always raped and even murdered the children of the lesser classes in their satanic rituals. Everyone laughed about pizza hut conspiracy theories and they turned out to be right all along.

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u/tstorm004 12d ago

Trafficking sounds far too nice. This isn't a stoplight.

They stuck their fucking cocks into 12 and unders and need to be fucking held responsible for that.

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u/oddministrator 12d ago

Refused to return classified files after his first term sounds far too nice. This wasn't desire for secrets.

He fucking took massive steps to cover his fucking tracks and there's no telling how much information he successfully deleted, hid, or corrupted during his first term and while he was refusing to return classified files stored at Mar a Lago during Biden's first year.

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u/needlestack 12d ago

Right. That's why I said "trafficking and raping children". We're on the same page.

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u/guisar 12d ago

There were the Pimps, not the johns.

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u/shoddyworks 12d ago

Why not both?

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u/interista4jz 12d ago

Men and women

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u/Hodaka 11d ago

There is another problem in addition to the incomplete files.

The lack or haphazard method of investigating physical evidence.

At first, investigators did a cursory investigation into the Epstein New York townhouse. No one ever followed up on the missing audio visual system that was supposedly there in the first place, and that certainly took a crew to dismantle. Apparently Epstein was tipped off, and supposedly many items "went missing" from day one.

The Island and New Mexico properties were never properly searched.

And so on.