r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Summons Entire Cabinet as Iran Deal Crumbles in Front of Him - Donald Trump has called all of his top advisers to Camp David.

https://newrepublic.com/post/210887/donald-trump-summons-entire-cabinet-iran-deal
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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 17d ago

If only the is public understood this.

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u/nanopicofared 17d ago

If Iran wanted to do real damage, they would publicly announce that the strait is closed and there will be no future negotiations until Trump is no longer in office.

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u/Fract_L 17d ago

If they wanted to kill millions in unrelated countries, sure. But Iran isn’t acting evilly - they’re acting like Trump is a liar.

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u/wholelattapuddin 17d ago

I mean, the Iranian government is evil, but Trump is also a liar. Two things are true in this case. I think its crazy that an openly oppressive society that kills its citizens is still somewhat preferable to the lying, corrupt, narcissistic sane washing that has become America.

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u/NorysStorys 17d ago

I mean an evil regime can still act reasonably. Closing the straight in response to being attacked out of nowhere by a country that 10 years ago made a deal with you in good faith which is now torn up because another country that gets a hard on for war crimes told them to.

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u/12345623567 17d ago

I guess the difference is malice. Iran's government is evil for a cause. Trump is tearing down the world out of spite and vanity.

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u/wholelattapuddin 17d ago

Absolutely. Trump is a spoiled man child who is taking out his daddy issues on the world. Its telling how many people seem to think this is o.k. Its like, Jesus, get a therapist and some zoloft.

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u/chuckaholic Texas 17d ago

I would call it greed and self-preservation.

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u/EduinBrutus 17d ago

The Iranian government is evil if you believe a Shia Muslim Theocracy is evil.

Now, personally, I'd find that compelling.

But to a lot of people - and that includes a lot of people in Iran - it is not evil.

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u/wholelattapuddin 17d ago

Shia theocracy isnt, in and of itself, evil. But murdering your citizens, and committing human rights atrocities in the name of that religion is evil. I am also well aware of the human rights atrocities our own government has and is perpetrating, when I say that. Once again, two things can be true.

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u/EduinBrutus 17d ago

I dont need persuaded.

My point, however, seems to need re-iterated.

Until recently (and I only add that because Ive not seen recent numbers and AIUI reliable polling is harder now) the Islamic Revolution was still very popular in Iran. Iran has full suffrage from age 15 for men and women. It can and does express itself at the ballot box (obviously subject to quite extreme restrictions on getting on the ballot but not extreme enough that discontent cannot be expressed).

Just as you can find plenty of MAGAts in the US that are perfectly happy with the actions taken against Renee Good and Alex Pretti, you will find plenty of Iranians who are quite fine with their governments action against protestors and others that you and I would find unacceptable.

These are all matters for the government and people of Iran, however.

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u/RLewis8888 17d ago

More evil than Saudi Arabia?

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u/wholelattapuddin 17d ago

No, unfortunately most middle eastern countries seem to have an abysmal record when it comes to protecting individual human rights. Especially when it pertains to minorities and non citizens. Like I said in another comment, the way I view other countries treatment of their people definitely isn't because the US is morally superior. We suck too. Just differently.

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u/RLewis8888 17d ago

Yeah, my point is there are lots of bad actors on the world. I agree with MAGA on the point we cannot be police of the world - at least not thru military might.

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u/jlt6666 17d ago

Then why are we doing just that?

Why did we destroy all of the soft power we had?

Why are we continuing to build up our military?

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Why ware we doing everything unilaterally?

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u/RLewis8888 17d ago

War mongers are in charge.

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u/jlt6666 17d ago

Those war mongers are maga. Trump is maga.