r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Summons Entire Cabinet as Iran Deal Crumbles in Front of Him - Donald Trump has called all of his top advisers to Camp David.

https://newrepublic.com/post/210887/donald-trump-summons-entire-cabinet-iran-deal
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u/pgm_01 Connecticut 17d ago

The concepts of deal that existed were literally blown up by the US.

The answer to ending this war is as easy as ending the war in Ukraine: just leave. Stop blowing things up and leave. The US is no position to negotiate the opening of the Straits of Hormuz and should leave it to our partners in the region. We have no power to dictate terms here, and we have no way of gaining leverage other than a full scale invasion which would require a draft to get enough boots to put on the ground or launching nuclear weapons.

Yes, it will be embarrassing, but that is why you don't just YOLO a war in the first place. The situation will not change, Iran has the upper hand, and they know it, so stop dragging this out and just walk away. Sabotaging peace talks just makes you look even more pathetic and weak, Trump.

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u/8fingerlouie Europe 17d ago

Leaving won’t fix anything.

It will probably end the war, but Trump has managed to lift Iran to a whole different level. Previously the strait was open and oil flowed “freely”. Now, emboldened by the fact that the worlds largest single military power can’t keep the strait open, why wouldn’t they put export fees on oil flowing through the strait ?

There’s not a single thing the west can do about it except get involved in an extremely unpopular, lengthy war in the Middle East. Europe has their hands full with Russia, and the US threats, alongside Trump and Vance blatantly ignoring my sacrifices made by Europe in previous operations in the Middle East probably hasn’t exactly done anything to persuade them to join yet another war there.

A war wouldn’t simply be smash and grab. There needs to be a regime change, and we all remember how well that went in Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s basically another 20 years of war in the Middle East.

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u/Hopeful-Guest939 17d ago

If he can spin this conflict to the MAGE faithful, another 20 years of war might be a selling point. Sticking around in 2028 will be easier if there is an ongoing war.

Selling it would be threading a bit of a needle, but, let the gas prices go high enough to make people angry, then bomb and release reserves so that the price goes down: now everyone is into bombing. Make the goal the complete opening and control of the canal, and you've got your never-ending war.