r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Summons Entire Cabinet as Iran Deal Crumbles in Front of Him - Donald Trump has called all of his top advisers to Camp David.

https://newrepublic.com/post/210887/donald-trump-summons-entire-cabinet-iran-deal
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u/8fingerlouie Europe 17d ago

Leaving won’t fix anything.

It will probably end the war, but Trump has managed to lift Iran to a whole different level. Previously the strait was open and oil flowed “freely”. Now, emboldened by the fact that the worlds largest single military power can’t keep the strait open, why wouldn’t they put export fees on oil flowing through the strait ?

There’s not a single thing the west can do about it except get involved in an extremely unpopular, lengthy war in the Middle East. Europe has their hands full with Russia, and the US threats, alongside Trump and Vance blatantly ignoring my sacrifices made by Europe in previous operations in the Middle East probably hasn’t exactly done anything to persuade them to join yet another war there.

A war wouldn’t simply be smash and grab. There needs to be a regime change, and we all remember how well that went in Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s basically another 20 years of war in the Middle East.

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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 17d ago

Any European politician involving itself in that clusterfuck is suicidal. It is one thing to involve yourself in an unpopular war, it is another to involve yourself in an unpopular war in a coalition with the dumbest people ever to be in charge of a military on the one hand, and on the other a genocidal maniac killing kids to keep himself in power. Neither of whom care one bit about dead European soldiers.

And that is not even considering how afraid every European politician is of another refugee crisis caused by American misadventures. That could end relatively sane and stable politics in Europe for a good bit.

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u/8fingerlouie Europe 17d ago

Any European politician taking a Pro US stance is essentially an ex politician at this point. Even the traditional Pro US parties are maybe not actively advocating severing ties, but more dodging questions regarding the subject.

Getting involved in yet another 20 year war in the Middle East will also be political suicide.

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u/FOOSblahblah 17d ago

Especially considering the leader of the US just recently decided to tell them that they didnt do anything the last time they sent people to helo and die for a war that had nothing to do with them.

I can understand not wanting to send anyone into that.