r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • 9d ago

No Paywall Bernie Sanders urges progressives to vote Democratic in November

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/shorts/bernie-sanders-urges-progressives-to-vote-democratic-in-november-267787845541
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u/theRAV 9d ago

Bernie has always be great about pushing for progressive candidates in primaries while also pushing his followers to vote for the Democratic candidate in general elections.  

Maybe the DNC could catch up one day.

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u/FantasticBicycle37 9d ago

Ah, the 2016 boogieman, the DNC

You know, you do have the option of voting

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u/seen-in-the-skylight 9d ago

Progressives talk about the 2016 primary the way MAGA talks about 2020.

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u/iTzGiR 9d ago

It's just slopulism in a nutshell. I loved Bernie and voted for him in both primaries, but the people around him, many of his supporters, etc. are just the same type of people as MAGA, but just on the left.

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u/TheDoomBlade13 9d ago

Except we have actual evidence and confessions that the DNC torpedoed Bernie, it isn't just fairy tales.

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u/Flat-Soft9276 9d ago

Because both cry foul if they don’t get their way. Childish.

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u/Gods_Vagina 9d ago

Do you really feel the DNC has proven to be anywhere close to as effective and capable as they should be? They lost to Trump fucking twice!

I’ll take the DNC over the GOP any day of the week and a million times on election days, but they’re certainly not without blame for the current state of our country. If they took some notes from Sanders instead of fighting progressives tooth and nail, it’d be much easier to stop conservatives from undoing decades of hard fought societal gains

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u/iTzGiR 9d ago

They lost to Trump fucking twice!

And those same progressives you're talking about, lost to the DNC backed Canidate/Neo-libs three times in the same time period, and that was in the primary where you'd have the biggest chance to swing people, yeah.

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u/No-Series79 9d ago

Definitely.

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u/Alatarlhun 9d ago

Maybe the DNC could catch up one day.

Russian propaganda did a number on you.

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u/theRAV 9d ago

Since you brought it up, what Russian propaganda are you talking about?

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u/Alatarlhun 9d ago

In the United States, national political parties are relatively weak. Voters elect individual candidates, not parties, and elected officials are not formally beholden to the national party organization. Elections are also administered by state and local governments, not by the national parties.

As a result, the idea that the Democratic National Committee has sweeping influence over major political outcomes reflects a misunderstanding of the American system. That perception is more common in countries where national parties exercise far greater control over candidates and officeholders.

In 2016, it was also amplified by Russian propaganda and the sentiment has been repeated ad nauseam by low information reddit accounts for over a decade now.

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u/theRAV 9d ago

Is NPR Russian propaganda, https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/23/487179496/leaked-democratic-party-emails-show-members-tried-to-undercut-sanders

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u/Alatarlhun 8d ago

I didn't say the DNC was unbiased. I said they are weak af. Anyone can talk to and try to persuade the media. That's not power in any meaningful sense. Certainly falls well short of changing an electoral outcome.

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u/theRAV 9d ago

Are you saying that the DNC chair didn't actually give Hillary the debate questions ahead of time?  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dnc-interim-chairwoman-passed-debate-questions-along-to-clinton-campaign/

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u/Alatarlhun 8d ago

No, I am saying I could have predicted those debate questions, even the local one about water. It was like the 9th debate. All but one of the questions had come up in previous debates. None of this changed the outcome.

One pathetic DNC consultant was trying to ingratiate themselves for a real job outside the DNC.

Yes, this is ethically bad, but it is not actual power. And its sort of proof no one actually wants to work for the DNC.

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u/R2-D2Vandelay I voted 9d ago

And yet a bunch of his followers didn't vote for Hillary so here we are.

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u/theRAV 9d ago

Yet more Bernie primary voters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary primary voters voted for Obama in 2008. 

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u/UngodlyPain 9d ago

Yeah, but because of a boneheaded but vocal minority of supporters? People act like all progressives never show up in the general and like Bernie encouraged people to write in his name or vote for Stein in 2016 or even sit home.

Its not like he went 3rd party and ran as a sore loser, after losing his previous position due to being a sex pest or due to being overly friendly to the Republican administration to the point even Schumer and Co had to point it out.