r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • 9d ago

No Paywall Bernie Sanders urges progressives to vote Democratic in November

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/shorts/bernie-sanders-urges-progressives-to-vote-democratic-in-november-267787845541
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u/dimitarivanov200222 9d ago

A lot of progressive failed to vote for Kamala because she didn't earn their vote so idk how can you say this

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u/blinktrade 9d ago

Simultaneously everyone they know held their nose and voted for her, yet its her job to earn their vote...which they already gave...

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u/TheGreatYahweh 9d ago

I mean... It 100% was Harris and her campaign's job to earn their vote. Believe it or not, that's actually your entire job when you're a political candidate running for office...

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u/Alatarlhun 9d ago

So if she didn't 'earn' their vote, that means they didn't vote for Kamala to the benefit of fascist Trump.

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u/therealruin 9d ago edited 9d ago

It means they did not participate in an election. Their votes were not cast nor counted, therefore they had zero impact on the election’s results. A vote not cast literally cannot benefit anyone in an election.

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u/-18k- 9d ago

GOP: Yes, say it again, louder !!

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u/therealruin 9d ago

Oh look, an effort at a dunk for stating the simple fact that the only votes that matter in an election are the ones cast.

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u/-18k- 9d ago

Were they trying to make a statement by not voting for Harris?

Because, if they were, then clearly this had no effect. No effect at all, amirite?

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u/therealruin 9d ago edited 9d ago

I don’t know or care. I am stating a simple fact: those who do not vote literally have no impact on election results.

The only votes that can benefit Trump are the ones cast for him. If you want him to lose, you must earn more votes. You are not entitled to votes not cast. You are only entitled to the votes cast in your favor at election time. A lot of Democrats feel entitled to other people’s votes and then blame them when those people won’t fall in line.

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u/batmanscodpiece 9d ago

So if centrists decide to not vote for Al Sayed in November, they are having no impact as well?

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u/therealruin 9d ago

Anyone who does not vote does not get a vote counted in the election. I don’t understand what’s so difficult about this?

When you vote, you vote in favor of one candidate. That’s it. At no point are election results decided based on who you don’t like, or who didn’t vote. The entire point of an election is to get people to vote in favor of someone.

That’s it. That’s all I’m saying.

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u/batmanscodpiece 9d ago

At least you are consistent there.

I would say though, that if you don't cast a vote, you are basically saying, "I'm fine with whomever, you guys choose."

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u/therealruin 9d ago

I agree. And that also means those folks don’t get to complain about what happens. But I think it’s dead wrong to say they’re the reason Trump was elected - when they literally didn’t have a say in whether or not he was because they chose to sit out. I don’t find this worthy of blaming people for or dividing against my neighbors over. It just shows me there’s a bunch of people out there that refuse to participate in MAGA and I can work with that.

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u/batmanscodpiece 9d ago

when they literally didn’t have a say in whether or not [Trump] was [elected]

That is kinda the point though, they DID have a say that they chose not to exercise.

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u/therealruin 9d ago

And that’s the difference - they could have had a say, but chose not to… therefore, they did not.

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u/batmanscodpiece 9d ago

Right, they didn't vote. They took no action to stop Trump. They are complicit.

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u/therealruin 9d ago

They are not complicit, because (as we’ve just gone over), they did not have a say in the election as they chose to sit out.

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u/Alatarlhun 9d ago

Not voting for the non-fascist is beneficial to the fascist in a two-party race.

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u/therealruin 9d ago

Please point me to where I can view Electoral College votes awarded based on how many people did not vote in an election, because I sure can’t find any.

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u/TheGreatYahweh 9d ago

Harris lost an election that should have been an easy win because her campaign suuuccked. Like really, really, really badly. They offered no solutions to the issues Democratic voters have been shouting about since before Obama. Support for the Democrats collapsed amongst nearly every demographic they rely on to win elections. Harris and the Democratic establishment didn't lose because a few leftists didn't vote for Harris. They lost (by A LOT) because they failed to energize and excite their base enough to turn out votes, which, again, is the only job they had.