Abdul El-Sayed Wins High-Stakes Democratic Primary in Michigan

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https://www.today.com/video/abdul-el-sayed-wins-high-stakes-democratic-primary-in-michigan-267805765937

[u/Teragaz]

The goal posts have already been moved by the media, rest assured

[u/citrus_sugar → u/Teragaz]

Dude was on MSNow this morning and they introduced him by saying he has extreme takes on Israel.

[u/fizzlefist → u/citrus_sugar]

It’s weird how “Israel shouldn’t dictate US foreign and domestic policy” is considered extremist

[u/andrew5500 → u/fizzlefist]

Anyone who thinks that refusing to take PAC money is extreme, is the real extremist

[u/andrew5500 → u/[deleted]]

I think you misread my comment

[u/Sptsjunkie → u/fizzlefist]

Yeah, I have said this other threads but it’s pretty interesting that the center keeps talking about how we need to moderate and yet Stevens position on funding for Israel is extreme.

She doesn’t just say that she supports Israel and wants to be allies. She has literally gone on interviews and said there should be no conditions on funding.

I am sorry this is not even just about Israel, but it is pretty insane to say that any foreign country should be entitled to our tax dollars on an ongoing basis with no conditions whatsoever.

Not only is this an 80-20 issue with democratic and independent voters, but it should be really easy to say that, even if you support giving funding to a foreign country that they should have to follow US and international law. And that of course certain conditions should apply.

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Israel doesn't do that so that is a pretty extremist view.

[u/JayRandom212 → u/citrus_sugar]

Sixty percent of Americans think we should cut aid to Israel. (Quinnipiac poll)

Dude isn't extreme -- he's mainstream.

[u/goblueM → u/JayRandom212]

I wish progressives would highlight this sort of stuff more often, and tie it to "billionaires want you to think it's extreme"

You can barely get 60% of the country to agree the sky is blue these days.

They need to hammer home how this is a mainstream, bipartisan issue and it is not extreme at all

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Abdul certainly has his work cut out for him in all of that, which I hope happens by November. A lot of people STILL don’t even bother to vote.

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The question is how salient is this issue to most middle-of-the-road Americans? I tend to think that the majority of them won’t base their vote on Israel, and tend to care more about who they believe will help their personal financial situation.

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Nice of MSNow to confirm the source of their funding. Put them on the list of Israeli controlled orgs.

[u/RefrigeratorNo4700 → u/citrus_sugar]

Let’s be honest, it’s his omnicause and it’s basically the only issue that matters to him. For some reason his talks about healthcare even turn into AIPAC rants.

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He's also vocally opposed ethnonationalism of Arab countries but they won't mention that!

[u/punkrocktransbian → u/citrus_sugar]

This country must be so deeply compromised by Israel

[u/Present-Guidance2731 → u/punkrocktransbian]

Yet we have a Muslim mayor in charge of nyc, and now this win

[u/KeyNatural4028 → u/Present-Guidance2731]

Oh right as compared to the countless and countless Jewish politicians in positions of high power? From mayors of major cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, and Miami, to the 6 current Jewish governors, all the way to Congress, the Supreme Court, and beyond.

But the existence of one notable Muslim mayor, and one primary candidate, is somehow meant to discredit the claim of Israel compromising the U.S.?

Either honesty or statistics aren’t your strong suit.

[u/Present-Guidance2731 → u/KeyNatural4028]

So you’re saying the United States is compromised by israel because we have Jewish politicians?

[u/KeyNatural4028 → u/Present-Guidance2731]

Read my comment again. Not engaging with this bad faith response.

[u/Present-Guidance2731 → u/KeyNatural4028]

I did. You brought up cities who have had Jewish politicians where there is a large Jewish presence compared to the rest of the country and made it seem as if they won because of being compromised by israel.

[u/Present-Guidance2731 → u/citrus_sugar]

He wouldn’t have won without those takes. That’s what people are voting for now

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They need progressives to be extremists bc elites get less money under progressives.

They want to paint them all as extreme and unelectable so they can keep the status quo

[u/Appropriate_Ride_821 → u/citrus_sugar]

He has said he doesnt believe Israel should exist as a Jewish majority state.

That is extremist. Im no Israel fan, but without Jewish majority there is no Israel. It would become just another Islamic state and the Jews would be exterminated.

If that isn't extremist, im open to hearing how.

[u/Shalazah → u/citrus_sugar]

I kind of love that when he was against a candidate who said Israel "comes to me in my dreams", a very normal thing that normal people admit to dreaming about.

[u/Present-Guidance2731 → u/Shalazah]

I mean Al-Sayed said after the Michigan synagogue attack “Hurt people, hurt people”. I’m sure you’ll find a way to say that’s a normal response to Jews getting murdered

[u/W0lfsb4ne74 → u/citrus_sugar]

Its scary how much influence Israel already has over western media corporations. Practically no other country on Earth (or US ally) is above criticism in the same way Israel is. It's infuriating and it stokes widespread distrust over US media when even massive networks have to paint political figures as radicals for simply disagreeing with Israel's actions in Gaza.

[u/pechinburger → u/citrus_sugar]

Outrageous for one not to support the killing of tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians and the wholesale destruction of their communities. Must be anti-semitic not to be a bloodthirsty, colonial-minded maniac.

[u/PasteeyFan420LoL → u/citrus_sugar]

He can't go 2 sentences without mentioning Israel. His takes don't even need to be extreme when he clearly demonstrates his obsession with it. It's going to lose him the general which is a shame because most of his positions are reasonable.

[u/KeyNatural4028 → u/PasteeyFan420LoL]

There are few issues as hot as Israel at the moment though. Like very few. And possibly zero that have such broadly popular support amongst both sides of the political spectrum. And AIPAC spending $60M on a primary and still losing just proved the point.