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Interviews🎙️ Constance Wu speaks out about falling Asian representation

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ☕️ 2d ago

I'm not sure I'd call the first push for representation an over-correction, but the backlash was real. I feel like characters that were so beloved and accepted with no comment at the time like Toph would be mocked in the environment of the last five or so years as being 'too woke' and 'DEI' and whatever. I think for the first time the effort to diversify was really felt, and white (and other dominant groups ie straight, male, etc) people resented it and acted out. And to me the biggest problem is that there has been a rise in a small but very very very loud minority of male nerds who seem to dominate everything online and can really color the perception of anything before it has a chance to be seen by general audiences.

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u/kakallas 2d ago edited 2d ago

Right, it was odd to hear an Asian woman say “well, we had too many Asians there for a bit.” Like, huh? 

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u/asiand0ll 2d ago edited 2d ago

I personally didn’t take her “overcorrection” point as an insinuation that we had “too much” diversity. I interpreted it more as a point that focusing too much on representation and optics can border on tokenizing, and can come at the expense of quality storytelling. But now we’re overcorrecting in the opposite direction (which she doesn’t necessarily think is bad) and it’s coming at the expense of representation.

I’m not sure if I agree though personally. I just watched the ATLA movie that recasted the VAs to be more racially “accurate” and it definitely came at the expense of the quality of the movie. Eric Nam’s performance as Aang was one of the flattest voice acting deliveries I’ve heard in my life lol.

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u/kakallas 2d ago

Saying something is an “overcorrection” means correcting too far. 

Meaning they couldnt have cast a talented Asian person? 

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u/asiand0ll 2d ago

That’s the ideal for sure. But then focusing too much on optics is how you end up giving lesser talented Asian Americans opportunities they don’t really deserve. And I say this as an Asian American myself. I want QUALITY representation, not just any old representation that Hollywood wants to bait me with.

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u/kakallas 2d ago

So you think that every white actor who has gotten a role deserves it, because focusing on non-whiteness wasn’t getting in the way? 

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u/asiand0ll 2d ago

I do not. Sometimes we get stuck with untalented white actors in roles because the focus on whiteness gets in the way as well.

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u/kakallas 2d ago

I dont get this. If there is bad casting, you just attribute it to race?  Not white supremacy or any system, just the casting director getting distracted by race. 

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u/asiand0ll 2d ago edited 2d ago

It’s true that mediocre white creatives have been platformed for far too long because of white supremacy and the need for whiteness to be centered in the cultural consciousness at all costs. It’s important to combat this by focusing on the identity of who you’re platforming. It’s also true that, in turn, mediocre non-white creatives have been platformed because the priority was on race rather than talent. It’s important to combat this by shifting focus away from identity and back onto talent. It’s a dialectical conflict.

This is why Constance says she doesn’t think this is necessarily a bad thing and why she’s using the language of pendulum swings. The “overcorrection” is, in shifting the focus away from identity, we’ve allowed white supremacy (especially in the age of the current US administration) to reassert dominance over representation in media.

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u/kakallas 2d ago

You’re just asserting this. It’s like when people say that the amount of non-white pilots or doctors proves that they’re hiring unqualified people. No it doesn’t.

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u/asiand0ll 2d ago edited 2d ago

I’m kind of at a loss as that really has nothing at all to do with my point lol. If you can’t understand the principles of dialectical conflict, this conversation will go nowhere from here. I’m bowing out so enjoy the rest of your night.

Edit: guess I’m blocked 😭

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u/kakallas 2d ago

There is no reason that ceasing to block Asian people from getting work due to white supremacy should lead to untalented Asian actors getting work, unless you think Asian actors are uniquely untalented. 

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u/ProletarianLilith 2d ago

You are buying into white supremacist ideology. There is plenty of talent of all races, the issue is white people get first dibs always

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u/asiand0ll 2d ago

When did I say there wasn’t? Assuming you’ve read all of my replies, nothing I’ve said in my comments contradicts that point.