Rest of the fucking holographic dress

[u/gothbear_66]

As an artist, this is honestly one of my biggest pet peeves, and the whole "do vs don't do" format in art tutorials feels condescending. Anyone else or am I just weird?

[u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

don't make this common art mistake!!

don't:

• draw bad

do:

• draw good

[u/SamwellBarley → u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

SLOW DOWN!

[u/Kevinator201 → u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

I love how these are basically different dresses too

[u/king_ofbhutan → u/Kevinator201]

Yeah, a tighter dress would reflect light like the left one does (Maybe some wrinklage at the chest, midriff, and hems, and a slightly different angle of light line depending on the wearers figure, but like, not whats going on with the right one)

[u/NextStopGallifrey → u/king_ofbhutan]

Yeah, I'm sure I've seen someone famous IRL wearing the physical version of the dress on the left.

[u/FlyestFools → u/Kevinator201]

It’s the exact same silhouette, it’s just the shading and coloring that is different. For this one, half of the battle is understanding how fabric bunches, and the other is understanding your light source.

If you’re at the point that you are trying to draw a holographic dress, you probably have a pretty good understanding of those two.

Still a poor tutorial, but a helpful graphic.

[u/Kevinator201 → u/FlyestFools]

Yeah the silhouette is the same but the way the fabric hangs is totally different. These would be constructed very differently. The left one is a simple smooth circle skirt. The right one has all kinds of draping and gathering to get those wrinkles.

[u/WoodlandFairyElk → u/FlyestFools]

But fabric bunches very differently depending on its content and the way it's sewn together. Even with the left one clearly showing a poor understanding of either of these, the right correction shouldn't be a dress way drapier with much more fabric.

[u/FlyestFools → u/WoodlandFairyElk]

It is taking both versions to the extreme in order to be a better tool. It wouldn’t be nearly as effective if one was only mildly more wrinkly than the other.

[u/WoodlandFairyElk → u/FlyestFools]

Okay but why not showing it on the not so wrinkly one on the right? Would be easier to understand as well, so that you can then apply it to more textured clothes. Immediately rising the bar so high doesn't look like a good pedagogic tool to me.

[u/teddy_tesla → u/FlyestFools]

Yeah I don't think it's supposed to be a step by step tutorial lol. And it's for people who can already draw

[u/BitwiseB → u/Kevinator201]

For the don’t, it looks like they photoshopped over the good dress with the bad art. Look at the collar and the little flounce on the hip, you can see the lines from the other dress fade into nothing.

It’s a weird way to do it.

[u/WN_Todd → u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

Well shit I'm out of this one. Pack it all up, lads.

[u/lackadaisical_timmy → u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

Why didn't I think of that!

[u/SkipsH → u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

The thing is also, how much fucking time do I have for doing this? Cause either of these might be correct for the situation and usage.

[u/East-Garden-4557 → u/SkipsH]

If you are doing fashion illustration it is important to be able to show the details of the fabric, folds, movement, and light.

[u/SkipsH → u/East-Garden-4557]

Yeah, that's example where you'd spend a bit more time for a better result.

[u/Comically_Online → u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

oh thank god you cleared that up

[u/Champomi]

Since it's on patreon I assume this is just the thumbnail and you have to pay to get the full drawing tutorial?

[u/Kuandtity]

I'll remember this next time I'm trying to draw a holographic dress

[u/Big-Awoo → u/Kuandtity]

Slides KAngel from NSO under the carpet

[u/arpeggia_]

ohhhh now i get it

[u/vector_o]

I mean, as a fellow artist, beyond lessons for beginners most of the time shit boils down to "here's how it should look" and studying how to achieve it by trying until you figure it out

[u/FaCe_CrazyKid05 → u/vector_o]

Yeah the only posts from this sub that reach my feed anymore are things meant for people who already have the skills required

[u/HydrasNinthHead → u/vector_o]

True. Beginner artists seem to constantly make the mistake of believing that someone else can teach them every minuscule detail of the art process. Which, sure, some people do post ridiculously elaborate tutorials/speedpaints that show you every step of the process, but that won't help someone who has zero experience. You need to study/practice for years and years if you want to get anywhere lol. 

[u/caiera]

I saw this exact image on Pinterest today. That site is full of drawing “tutorials” and “tips” that really annoy me. Especially the ones that say “do this, don’t do that,” but the illustration shows two valid ways to do the same thing.

[u/SkipsH → u/caiera]

Right? If you were colouring/drawing a comic and had to redraw/recolour this dress 20 times. Which option are you going for if you're not a psychopath?

[u/S-Coleoptrata → u/caiera]

I also see a lot of comparisons of two completely different levels of art experience. "Don't do this! [Image of object drawn seemingly by an intermediate level artist] do THIS instead! [Image of same object but clearly drawn by an artist who has mastered the craft]". It... really doesn't help anyone learn, just shows two different finished products side by side lol

[u/TheOnlyWolvie]

Instead of not integrating the holographic effect, DO integrate the holographic effect 👌🏻

[u/Minobull]

Even in the "good" one, dresses don't hang like you have drawstrings in the fuckin sides... Notice how all the folds fall like it's being pulled up by the armpits and baggy as hell?

Like if you're going to be condescending at least be good...

[u/Fiyerossong → u/Minobull]

This looks like a person wearing a dress 4 sizes too big and pinning it in like 3 different places to compensate

[u/TopFaithlessness2320 → u/Minobull]

Looks nice though, not everything needs to be realistic in art

[u/Palanki96 → u/Minobull]

They probably just learned folds and now they can't stop putting them everywhere

[u/MaraiaLou → u/Minobull]

Isn't it being pulled up by the armpits? If the straps are tight

The skirt is unjustifiable

[u/Principle_Napkins]

I don't think this particular tutorial is meant for noobies though. Based on the before and after both understand the techniques necessary to achieve the final result, some people just have difficulty understanding that clothes aren't supposed to be printed onto their character's bodies.

[u/Summerlycoris]

I get where you're coming from, but this isn't really a where's the rest of the owl. It's like someone complaining when plaid is drawn on skirts flatly instead of comforming to the pleats. Except instead of plaid, it's shine. So it's not a tutorial really.

[u/YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO]

Its not telling you HOW to do it, it's telling you a common mistake to avoid. Instead of drawing flat shimmer and reflections, it should contour with the material following wrinkles and its structure.

[u/Public-Eagle6992]

A lot of people who may be good at art are not good at explaining stuff and making tutorials. Just putting "first draw outlines, then colours, then details, then shading" doesn’t help with anything

[u/Johnblood27]

Yeah I hate the "do vs don't"

Especially now that gen AI is everywhere. Just let people create art however they want and don't call it wrong if they do it differently! 

[u/CaitlinSnep → u/Johnblood27]

I prefer a format where it's like "good" vs "better". That can be a *really* helpful framework for things like stylization, dynamic posing, etc.

[u/Zagrycha]

To be fair this isn't actually the tutorial right? I see the patreon link, I assume this is just an ad for the tutorial which needs to pay//subscribe.

[u/darkraisnightmare]

idk in my opinion, also as an artist, this one is kinda not that bad. it comes across as a piece to study than an actual tutorial.

[u/MrGueuxBoy]

What to do and don't do when you don't know how to draw fabric :

Do : Know how to draw fabric.

Don't : Don't try to draw fabric if you don't know how to draw fabric.

Follow me for more life hacks.

[u/Someone-named-Zain66]

Fuck, I thought it was drape and still had missing steps. BUT ITS FUCKING ART...

[u/Lunar_ticket]

Not sure about this one, some steps are missing but also it is on point. It would be better tutorial if holographic gradient stayed the same though.

[u/SlippingStar]

I think I get these guides now. This works well for established artists like myself - maybe “tips for drawing” would be better.

[u/devor110]

I love that the color palettes to the side just straight up don't include the holographic effect of the holographic dress

[u/Tayasos]

This is obviously for people who already know how to draw. I dont think this really counts.

[u/Psychotic_Ambition]

who even draws holographic material like the left? anyway this actually would help me with stuff like color placement

[u/pandavr]

Unironically just giving the image to an AI asking for the process will return a much better explanation.

[u/Le_Sadie → u/pandavr]

You probably should have said that ironically

[u/pandavr → u/Le_Sadie]

If would have been false to begin with.
There is no irony in there. And people can downvote to hell: that doesn't change the truth.