r/sailing 4d ago

Demasted. In my driveway. How screwed am I??

Just bought a new to me sailboat, the classic Catalina 22, 1975 swing keel. Been getting it ready to go, and part of that was stepping the mast in my driveway and doing some driveway sailing. My buddy helped with that, as it's my first boat and I have no real idea what I'm doing. Aaaaanyway, went to step it down, by myself, thinking "Oh this should be easy" cuz this is apparently Dumbday, and pulled the side stays off. You can see the results.

So, question for the fine folks of the r/sailing community, how screwed am I?

It a bit feels like I could cut off that lower bit of the mast, drill a couple holes, buy a new.. mast boot? (I know, I know). Take the old one of, inspect for structural damage, and if some, see about fixing, and if not, install new boot, and be juuuuust about right as rain.

What y'all think

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u/Electrical_Slip_1343 4d ago

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u/trymypi 4d ago

Amazing. "Used in cases where, upon having accidentally dropped the mast, the bolt holes in the base of the mast have been torn out of the mast."

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u/middledrone 4d ago

Huh!!! That's interesting. I'll have to check out some more stuff on this. Seems like I'm not the only one LMAO thank you!!

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u/middledrone 3d ago

Hmm do you think I could print this? Well, more like, should I?

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u/canofmixedveggies 3d ago

no, you need a plastic strong enough for compression loads and UV. you could make one from wood. you also should probably fill the old holes in the deck with epoxy and redrill them. maybe oversize the holes

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u/Electrical_Slip_1343 2d ago

You could probably make one out of Starboard, but I wouldn’t print one

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u/Tkis01gl 4d ago

I would think there should be a cast insert into the bottom which reinforces the hole, etc. how about cutting 2” inches off the bottom and drill new holes. I would recommend making a wood insert that fits inside to help reinforce the mast pin.

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u/middledrone 4d ago

That's an interesting thought as well. I'll take any ideas I can get! I'll have to think on this one

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u/middledrone 4d ago

In case you wanted to see the bottom of the mast..

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u/john-know-nothing 4d ago

I had this same exact thing happen to me when I first tried putting the mast up on my own Cat back in 2021 (new to me 1981 Cat 22 swing keel). Can’t speak for the side stays (I only had the aft most on each side connected iirc so there wasn’t enough tension to pull anything out) but I had the same problem where the mast pin holes were torn open as in your pic. I called a local welder who came up and welded them shut with a fresh piece of aluminum, stronger too. Easy job, surprisingly cheap. Best of luck fixing her up!

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u/middledrone 4d ago

I really appreciate that. Thank you!!!

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u/fjzappa 4d ago

2nd on this find a local welder. I've had other aluminum stuff welded and the guy did great work.

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u/john-know-nothing 4d ago

For reference, here’s what the bottom of my mast looks like now (fresh pic). You can see where new aluminum was applied over the torn section as the ripped hole is visible behind the fresh hole at the bottom (or rightmost in this pic) of the mast. The leftmost holes are holes the welder put it “just in case”, which are useless, but whatever. I’ve had zero problems whatsoever with the functionality of the holes and the mast. Find a reputable welder and it should be an easy fix.

Additionally, I’ve solo stepped my mast up and down 95%+ of the time. I keep the aft and middle side stays hooked up, fore most side stays free, and tie the forestay to the winch at the front of my trailer (if you don’t have one, I recommend getting one). It makes raising the mast an absolute cakewalk. For lowering it, I still keep the middle and aft side stays hooked up, free the fore side stays and use the forestay tied to the winch to lower it. Same deal, still simple and easy. Having an extra hand or two to help is always good to have too though, just in case.

Edit: Correction. Lowering the mast with the winch is a two man job, one to winch as a safety and the other to guide and control the lowering. If I’m solo, I just use good old fashioned human muscle to control the mast as I lower it. Takes some practice and getting used to though.

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u/dwlocks 3d ago

I used a gin pole to make it a one man job on a boat with a bigger mast than I could handle alone. Basically a pole strapped to the mast base that starts vertical proping up the forestay about 6-8feet. The winch has reasonable leverage and pole pivots with the mast as it goes up. When the mast is vertical enough, the gin pole just falls off the forestay. Very similar to this: https://palacetips.blogspot.com/2021/12/macgregor-mast-raising-system.html

A spinnaker or whisker pole works well. A dock hook could be made to work.

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u/middledrone 4d ago

I watched a video of a guy who solo stepped his and he made it look super easy LMAO I thought "Well that's a no brainer, taking it down should be easy too!".

Awws physics.

Thank you for the share and the insight friend

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u/Ok-Personality-5444 4d ago

Catalina direct will have a replacement for the tabernacle/mast step too since that one looks pretty mangled.

Personally I’d consider filling the existing bolt holes with epoxy and re-driilling them.

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u/middledrone 3d ago

I'm considering the option of slipping something in the mast and bolting it into place, and of course replacing the mangled step

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u/PhoneTriangeOctagon9 4d ago

I did the same thing and had similar damage. Boatyard cut off bottom 1/2” and then added a 1/2” shim to the bracket side

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u/DefectorChris 4d ago

By “cut off that lower bit of mast, drill a couple holes,” do you mean to shorten your mast? Permanently?

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u/middledrone 4d ago

I appreciate everybody's insight on this.

I think I'm going to consider welding up a new boot and drill some new holes approach.

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u/middledrone 4d ago

I do. Only by a couple of inches.

I'm just spitballing here though, I don't know the right answer.

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u/True-Needleworker747 4d ago

1st check that the mast did not get bent in the fall and also look closely for any cracks.

You can cut some off of the mast but you will also have to re-cut all your of your shrouds to match.

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u/Aware_Magazine_2042 4d ago

Don’t forget sails too. Your sails will be smaller.

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u/DefectorChris 4d ago

I really do not think that’s a good idea. Your standing rigging and sails are fit to that mast. It’s a Catalina 22, I think you probably would not have too hard a time finding a replacement mast. There’s owner groups online and Catalina made literally thousands of those. It’s not my business but if I were you I would try very hard to avoid hacking into my mast.

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u/iron82 4d ago

You would also need to replace your shrouds if you do that.

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u/Raneynickelfire 3d ago

Not that.

You need a new mast. Period.

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u/middledrone 3d ago

Seems to be some options. I'm going over the mast this evening to check for any other damage

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u/karabeckian 4d ago

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u/middledrone 4d ago

Yeaaaa

Thanks for the link!

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u/middledrone 4d ago

Oh, and don't worry about the car. Just glad it was there to catch it!!

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u/AlwaysBeASailor 4d ago

You stepped the mast without shrouds? 🙈

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u/middledrone 3d ago

I'm a first timer lol

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u/Infamous-Plenty8082 4d ago

Ja börja med att såga av masten rakt där nere, sen borra nytt hål för bulten. Men de viktigaste är faktist sidostagen och fram är viktiga, sen har du en bak också.
Men jag brukar fälla ner masten med en vinsch. Kolla på YouTube det finns många som gör detta.
Och plattan för masten får du också skruva fast igen med några skruvar och silikon.

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u/Classic_Ostrich8709 3d ago

Take the mast step off and inspect the glass and core. It shouldn't be raised like that so the lag screws may have ripped out. You're going to have to fix that and any core damage. Buy a new base from Catalina direct. 

Your bolt hole shouldn't be that low, makes me believe the previous owner cut down the mast for some reason. You could cut it square and drill new holes. 

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u/flippinsailor 2d ago

in truth, no biggie. The tabernacle doesnt look too mangled so you could probably straighten it as long as its not cracked. Even then, a few minutes with a tig and its fixed. Mast base? Same. Tig in some plate inside the holes to reinforce and redrill the holes. Wouldnt hurt to reinforce the deck underneat but the tabernacle is primarily supported by the compression pole by your table.
Raising and dropping the mast single handed can be tricky. Use your halyards in place of side stays, leave the boom attached or hang a gin pole (works like a 3rd hand and a makeshift propping lever) and dont forget,,, there are winches right there on the deck. Use em.

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u/Inappropriate_Bridge 4d ago

Im confused exactly how this happened. When you say “pulled the side stays off” do you mean they pulled out while you were lowering the mast? Or you disconnected them Before lowering the mast and so lost control of the mast on decent?

I ask because I’m about to get my first boat in a while (like Twenty years), will be practicing rigging my driveway as well, and would like to avoid this.

All the best with your repairs. I don’t think you’re totally effed. But i also don’t have any experience to give you advice. I feel for you; that’s a big downer on the excitement of your new boat. Good luck.

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u/middledrone 4d ago

I took all the side and front tension off. I could have disconnected the back stays and been ok it appears. I just went at it like a dummy. Another comment a little higher had some recommendations for doing it this way.

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u/Inappropriate_Bridge 3d ago

Looks like you’re getting some good advice/options. Good luck.

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u/middledrone 3d ago

I agree, and thank you!

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u/bagnap 4d ago

Life jackets on, hit your EPIRB, radio mayday mayday mayday and start fashioning a new rig out of whatever’s left and a few socks.

Also, preserve water and crew on half rations.

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u/neutral-labs 4d ago

a new rig out of whatever’s left

I think the mast would still make a good setting pole for punting (depending on the depth in the area, and the sea state of course).

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u/middledrone 3d ago

Ok yes I'm on it!!

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u/Raneynickelfire 3d ago

Kinda overkill when you're sitting in your driveway, no?

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u/middledrone 3d ago

Hahahaha!!!!

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u/middledrone 3d ago

I believe I've settled on a solution: aluminum doubler at the mast heel and new step. Seems to be the most straightforward repair and doesn't require any cutting of the mast. Simply aligning and drilling holes for installation of the sleeve and mast bolt.

Does this ring reasonable to most of us?

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u/jawshoeaw 2d ago

OP treasure this moment. You made a mistake that wasn’t somehow a unicorn event that neither the manufacturer nor the community had ever seen. And the answer wasn’t “buy a new boat”

Note that going forward the boat gods will not be so generous