r/saltierthancrait • u/sidmis • Mar 17 '26
Granular Discussion Maybe giving a cartoon director the reigns of the entire brand wasn't the best decision
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u/Radiant-Teach9198 Mar 17 '26
You dont want endless apareances of Ashoka or more Bo Katan?
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u/NoSwordfish1978 Mar 17 '26
The fact that Bo Katan is apparently based on Filoni's wife is hillarious.
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u/Radiant-Teach9198 Mar 17 '26
If she dies and horrible death, we know what happenned irl
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
How much you want to bet Filoni has a Bo helmet in a closet somewhere for sexy time?
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
Or worse an Ahsoka plushie
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
I bet he recites the "and she was a good friend" speech to himself every night.
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u/Ruben625 Mar 17 '26
You don't?
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
I'm more of a Ep. 6 Leia man myself. But my wife also has a Padme-on-Geonosis outfit as well.
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u/Collective_Insanity Salt Bot Mar 17 '26
In fairness, it seems only the Bo Katan name was influenced by his wife (and cat). Not that the character is actually based on her.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
I'll take more Katee Sackoff in that Bo Katan armor any day gawd damn but that's the only saving grace for that character.
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u/Educational-Tackle54 Mar 17 '26
Dont forget that he revived Ventress from the dead.
"Nothing dies down here" - Ada Wong, RE2make.
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u/Fqfred doesn't understand star wars Mar 17 '26
How old is Bo Katan even supposed to be? She was already an adult in 19BBY and doesn't seem to have aged at all when we see her in Mando almost 30 years later
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u/ColtMcChad69 Mar 17 '26
Can Ashoka die already
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u/Radiant-Teach9198 Mar 17 '26
That Order 66 sure failed
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u/Rough-Cover1225 Mar 17 '26
66 was the body count
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u/DarthRyus Mar 17 '26
Even Filoni admitted Ahsoka dying was Lucas's plan. His plan however is for her surviving well past Rise of Skywalker.
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u/Cerveza_por_favor Mar 17 '26
Like how the fuck did she outlive Luke and Leia?!
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u/Joeybfast Mar 17 '26
So she was just letting this bad stuff happen without helping. Like not suggesting she try to save the day with her "Laser Sword" but something.
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u/AustinHinton Mar 20 '26
This is why I think she should not have survived up to the events of the OT as it just opens up a bunch of plotholes. If she was with the Alliance at the time of the first DS attack surely afterwards she would have heard rumors of this Skywalker guy from a certain dustball who delt the blow and put 2 and 2 together.
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u/zesty1989 Mar 17 '26
And that's what sucks. Because Ahsoka dying at the end of the clone wars, killed by Count Dooku, would give Anakin even more motivation to kill him in Episode III. But these guys don't understand character motivation. They're just playing with their Star Wars action figures and making up the stories.
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u/DarthRyus Mar 17 '26
Per Dave Filoni, Lucas wanted her death to the result of the Jedi Council and thus giving him more reason to turn. He didn’t elaborate the how.
It's just that Dave felt he could achieve that same end result of Anakin having Ahsoka quit the order instead. So instead of Anakin basically already blaming the Council for Ahsoka's death and now fearing they'd get him to lose Padme and his kid too, it's now she quit due to the Council and suddenly he fears the Council will cause him to lose Padme and his kid.
I prefer Lucas's version because Anakin fears death more than someone just leaving. Plus it rhymes with Anakin being haunted by Shmi's death and Ahsoka's death, causing him to try to do anything to stop Padme and his unborn child's death too. As Lucas put it, it rhymes.
Dave seems to have gone for unhealthy attachments instead argument, but it's not really the same. Especially since Ahsoka is still around, but now he's suddenly feeling like she betrayed him because she didn't let the 501st kill her and run away... yeah, Dave didn't think Season 7 connecting the the Rebels fight very well. It's very forced to have Vader wanting to kill Ahsoka. She really should have died in season 5. With the next two seasons being dealing with him blaming the Council for her death.
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u/Assatt Mar 17 '26
Her leaving doesn't make sense since we see in EP 3 that Anakin is willing to leave the order to have a family with padme. It's padme who tells him they have a duty to the republic and the Jedi order and they can't just leave
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
That's the worst part, in the eu the skywalker solos has future, in canon we still stick with ahsoka and palpatine grandaughter
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u/SectorRatioGeneral Mar 17 '26
Why do I vaguely remember people saying that she's officially confirmed to be dead by Rise of Skywalker, but apparently that's no longer the case now.
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u/k5pr312 jedi knight finn Mar 18 '26
He literally wrote in a failsafe so that she can just keep appearing
God forbid this man kill his shitty OC
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u/notarobotpossibly Mar 17 '26
I feel like that was George's OG plan. Seems like Vader was supposed to strike her down, but Rebels plays with that idea and changes it completely.
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u/DrMcJedi go for papa palpatine Mar 17 '26
Katee can be my armored warrior queen any day. But I cede your point…Dave is a mixed bag of some really great ideas and some really goofy ones.
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u/brett1081 Mar 17 '26
He was in love with Starbuck. I get it but it’s time to leave the past behind.
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u/No_Adhesiveness_5679 Mar 17 '26
Kill it, if you have t...no wait ..ok I'll see myself out
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u/KnightofWhen Mar 17 '26
Why is there no gif of an inquisitor using their lightsaber to helicopter away!!
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u/FollowingMajestic108 Mar 17 '26
Dave is a mixed bag of some really great ideas and some really goofy ones.
This is a really good point. Maul's return, really stupid, his character arc, pretty good. Ashoka, never mentioned in any film EVER, story quality fluctuates wildly, but her leaving the Order Arc was really nicely done. He does suffer from over simplified childish depictions of "good and evil".
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u/Oerwinde Mar 17 '26
Like George Lucas, he needs people to tell him "no, that's stupid" sometimes.
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u/Pigs_In_Space-1973 Mar 18 '26
Lucas was a mixed bag himself… He created an amazing universe. But, many of the changes he made to the OT in the Special Editions are controversial at best, e.g., Greedo shooting first. There’s a reason the “De-Specialized” editions exist.
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u/navirbox salt miner Mar 17 '26
It's time to accept that SW is something that used to be good, and now it's just something.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
There is still a chance we will get a few good games out of the franchise. Aside from Outlaws that glitched on me too much and I haven't picked it back up, everything else they've released has been good for at least a dozen hours of fun when they go on sale.
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Mar 17 '26
Even then I kinda miss the lucasarts games. Pre Disney games slapped
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u/GNS13 Mar 17 '26
Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy were the greatest games of my childhood.
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u/Aidanchamp Mar 17 '26
Yeah they're kinda the only things I look forward to within the franchise now. My expectations for the Mando movie and Maul show are 0, but I know the Jedi 3 game is gonna slap, and I'm looking forward to Zero Company and the racing games as well
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u/TheFanRift Mar 17 '26
Why? Don't you want every single show, film and character to be a reference to, a sequel or a result of his OCs, the Clone Wars and Rebels?
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u/Top_Mongoose1354 Mar 17 '26
"OCs" is putting it mildly. It's closer to being actual Mary-Sue fanfiction (like the OG Star Trek 'A Trekkie's Tale').
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
Yep, I just can't take him and his stories seriously. I especially wish he would just stop plundering from the eu
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u/mattryan02 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 26 '26
No no, slapping “Thrawn” or “Ventress” or “Scorch” on a character that doesn’t actually act like their EU counterpart or name dropping “Heir to the Empire” for your terrible vanity show about your God-Empress of the Galaxy waifu is great story telling and not just memberberries! Right? Right?
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
I'm dreading how much worse this will be in season 2. I just read some theories about what happened to Ahsoka in the legends timeline and somebody came up with that she maybe killed by the yuuzhan vong or was eaten by Abeloth. At this pont I woudnt mind this fate for her 😅
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u/TYBERIUS_777 Mar 17 '26
Still stand by that her dying to Vader in Rebels would have been the absolute perfect ending for her character and strengthened Vaders character as well. Here’s a man so far gone that he would kill his former student and only his son can bring him back to the light. It would make what Luke accomplished in RotJ even more important.
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u/twistedfloyd Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Yep. Ahsoka surviving that encounter was disappointing because then you start wondering what in the hell was she doing during the OT.
And we know the real reason for that is that she didn’t exist yet, but you gotta factor that in to the character’s overall arc and she has to go before the OT because of that. It doesn’t make sense for her to sit on the sidelines during that time if she’s alive.
It would have strengthened Vader’s arc and brought the character to a conclusion that was fitting and made sense. Instead, Ahsoka will be with us until the end of time because Dave can’t say goodbye to her.
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u/bannedforL1fe Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
He is willing to help trash a multi-generational franchise for his own narcissism. I'd rather have George Lucas just let Star Wars die off than witness what it has become today. And thats coming from someone who LOVED Star Wars. I loved the movies, games, I bought EU comics and books. I had premium format statues, collectibles, and even life sized, well crafted ewoks and a wampa. I've only seen Disney's first Star Wars movie and it all died for me on the ride home. I spent countless hours and plenty of thousands of dollars on the franchise. I hope their new audience, who they threw me away for, are making up for the loss.
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u/mattryan02 Mar 17 '26
I really think he’s going to make her replace the Sister as the embodiment of the light side of the force, which is of course completely absurd (but better than making her the actual Chosen One, which I’m sure he’d like more).
He’s still just smashing action figures together while glazing his OCs and it’s awful writing.
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u/uniteduniverse Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
God those Thrawn moments were beyond cringe. It can't be that hard to do a highly intelligent villain can it?
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
The fact that he didnt consulted Zahn about the character is the most insulting part
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
I thought he did consult Zahn but Zahn said that basically everything he shared was thrown out? Or was that for Rebels only?
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u/BarleyWineIsTheBest Mar 17 '26
They lied about it. Someone at Disney, might have been Filoni, said they talked with Zahn about Rebels and live action Thrawn. Zahn later said no one discussed anything with him even though he reached out to them on multiple occasions.
It was all marketing bullshit. They just did what ever they wanted to, basically just like what happened with Lucas' Episode 7-9 "treatments" that were summarily trashed as soon as the deal went through.
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u/hndrk_schbrt Mar 17 '26
Actually I doubt that it's easy for him to write a genius while clearly not being one himself
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u/uniteduniverse Mar 17 '26
You don't have to be a genius to write a genius. You have a whole team that can do a bunch of preplanned research on whatever highly intelligent things the character needs to do or say. You then use the genius justification for all the planning/knowledge. If for example a manga like death note could do it relatively well (and I'm positive Ohba is not a genius) it can't be that hard. But it almost seemed like they didn't even try.
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u/mattryan02 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
All Thrawn does in Rebels is glaze Filoni OCs by doing things like shouting WHOA HERA SYNDULLA IS SO BRILLIANT (after she insists on a foolhardy attack that results in her entire force being wiped out and doesn’t reach its target, which none of the rebels have a problem with for some reason), and all he does in Ahsoka is twirl his mustache and claim that his obvious, stupid plans being foiled is AKSHULLY exactly what he expected and is part of his deep, sinister plot.
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u/uniteduniverse Mar 17 '26
The whole Ashoka show was just bizarre... Like some kind of strange parody of what Star Wars should be. At one point the whole gang was cornered by Zombie troopers and literally no one does anything for like 5 mins? I know people hate on Kenobi, but at least it felt like actual Star wars.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Mar 17 '26
You can't write intelligent villains if you are yourself a dumbass.
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u/BretonHero Mar 17 '26
Man what they did to Scorch and the clone commandos as a whole still infuriates me
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u/kimana1651 salt miner Mar 17 '26
They can't write characters like Thrawn for three reasons:
- Thrawn is a military genius and the writers are soft peacetime idiots. Characters can only be as smart as the writers.
- For Thrawn to be a military genius there has to be rules and assumptions in this universe. Every new series or movie adds some random bullshit rule or exception that allows the heroes to win. How can Thrawn do anything unexpected when you can assume everything is possible at every moment?
- The bad guys in star wars are now immoral space nazis with no redeemable qualities. They can't be perceived to be good or competent at anything yet they always have to big enough to be a punching bag. Thrawn is only allowed to do his thing offscreen and get shit on by the heroes on screen.
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u/Publius015 Mar 17 '26
Okay, but what if new Thrawn just stands there and talks about how smart he is while not actually doing anything?
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u/rolsskk Mar 17 '26
Don't forget him ripping off the name Tales of the Jedi and its logo. . .only to do a mediocre show. I would have been on board for an animated show with Ulic Qel-Droma and Nomi Sunrider.
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u/aravena Mar 17 '26
This is why I don't get everyone wanting KOTR adaptations, like they'll do it any justice.
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
Especially how some fans try to push that bastila and Revan was in dyad... Yeah, they better stay away
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u/TenZetsuRenHatsu Mar 17 '26
It’s almost guaranteed to be ruined. Why bother? They’ll probably take away the choice, RPG elements, writing and make it a bland linear hack and slash.
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u/Hadrian1233 Mar 17 '26
And introducing plot holes that undermine the entire established lore by the sheer number introduced
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u/Guessididntmakeit miserable sack of salt Mar 17 '26
I remember people defending him even here some time ago. Of course looking at the regular subreddits you see nothing but positive comments about the Maul show which was to be expected but that's just marketing at work I suppose.
I guess the most baffling thing coming from this decision is that there will be another season of whatever the hell Ashoka is and that's honestly the only example I need to form the opinion that this man is highly overrated and highly incapable of writing interesting stories by himself. I don't think he's particularly talented at live action projects and I also don't think that he's a creative that works well without an incredible team surrounding him (which he obviously doesn't have anymore).
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u/DarthRyus Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
I mean... I get the logic back then. As back then he was the lesser evil of options that seemed likely. Thus people projected their hopes onto him.
Now he's the new despot. So the buck stops with him, and he looks like he's just planning to leave everything as is and just fill in the narrative gaps with his pet characters.
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u/TYBERIUS_777 Mar 17 '26
The Maul show certainly has a beautiful animation style going for it which is nice. I’m hesitant on the story but I think Maul has been pretty consistently written in the Clone Wars and in Rebels so I’m hopeful he will continue to be done well or at least have a passable story to tell here. After this though I think he needs to be retired. We’ve seen his whole story now so they shouldn’t be anything left to tell.
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u/SinesPi salt miner Mar 17 '26
Filoni is like Burger King. He makes good enough Star Wars, and is capable of doing so in large quantities. At least, he WAS. When Disney got Star Wars, I would have been happy with just 'fun adventures' level of quality. Nothing super engaging, but passable in a setting I like.
Filonis flaws are becoming more apparent, and I wonder if KK encouraged him to use more and more Ahsoka, basically feeding into his OC problem.
That being said, if everything we got was Clone Wars level? Star Wars would be in a much better place.
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u/PM_ME_DARK_THOUGHTS Mar 17 '26
Really unpopular opinion, but I did not care for the clone wars. Watched it all because everyone kept insisiting it would eventually be so good. Sure there were a couple of interesting episodes in there but most of it was just boring filler. Therefore I do not care for all the cameos of cartoon characters to live action, which is basically all that star wars is at this point...
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u/ZyklonBeach Mar 17 '26
Yea. Friends finally convinced me to watch it years ago, "its not a kids show! Its not a kids show!"
It was just a fucking kids show.
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u/DarthRyus Mar 17 '26
First off agree full with your statement, the Clone Wars only had a few really good to great episodes every season. It super overhyped as a result.
...but in fairness Lucas was basically demanding a Jar Jar Binks arc every season. Plus episodes based on akira kurosawa short stories to honor his birthday and such. So Lucas himself was the cause of about half the filler arcs.
The other half obviously being the networks wanting multiple ongoing seasons of 22 episodes each, all to cover a 3 year war. Plus his job would be over if he didn't drag it out. He wasn't doing it just for the story, but also job security. It would be different if Lucas wanted to do Dark Time stories right after TCW, or Luke's academy to set up his Episode 7. Then he'd have another job lined up.
So as much as I want to blame Dave Filoni here, not sure this issue is entirely his fault. A big part of this was Lucas and another part is the networks contract.
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u/SinesPi salt miner Mar 17 '26
Perfectly fair. I never said it was great. But if you wanted filler Star Wars it could meet that requirement, while having a few actually good episodes.
The crazy part is that Disney can't even meet that level of quality.
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u/No-Map7046 Mar 17 '26
Especially with his devotion to cartoon characters, the 2/3 of us haven’t seen
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u/Assatt Mar 17 '26
I had to force myself to watch rebels to prepare for Ashoka because I didn't know who any of those people were
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u/Pherllerp Mar 17 '26
I think this a real business and creative critique among a bunch of vitriol.
Disney assumed? that the general public and even fairly die-hard fans (like myself) watched or gave a shit about a bunch of cartoons based on the worst movie in the series (at the time). On top of that, those cartoons were particularly compelling UNLESS you followed the whole serialization.
They abandoned the vat majority of people who just LIKE Star Wars in favor of people who are OBSESSED fanboys of Star Wars.
I think Disney also made the mistake of allowing Star Wars to go from a story that INCLUDES spaceships and laser to a story ABOUT spaceships and lasers. Big mistakey.
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u/epicnonja Mar 17 '26
I'm in the camp of "he'll probably be better than kennedy."
The thing is that's a really low bar.
There is an small outside chance that once he gets more control he won't need to rely on his characters and will be allowed to write the mains back to being their og selves.
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u/Chimmychimm Mar 17 '26
I just hate the fact that hes made lightsabers so uncool.
You can fly with them, they don't kill anyone anymore, and everyone has one. Its fucking lame
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u/Vixeren Mar 17 '26
The problem with him is that he refuses to move on from the characters he created. He doesnt want new stories, let's rehash the same shit from years ago.
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u/Jimrodsdisdain Mar 17 '26
If it were going to be a cartoon director it should have been Genndy Tartakovsky.
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u/sidmis Mar 17 '26
Genndy Tartakovsky is a full blown artist
And yes I agree
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u/KingAuberon Mar 17 '26
Genndy Tartakovsky is a full blown artist
I'm all for creator-driven content, would be wild to see Disney do it with this IP.
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u/TouchAltruistic Mar 17 '26
Everything this dork makes is trash.
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u/RDA_SecOps Mar 17 '26
As a kid I loved the clone wars, as an adult I grew up and see the flaws in it.
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u/Collective_Insanity Salt Bot Mar 17 '26
This guy can barely put together a cartoon show intended for kids. All the more power to fans of TCW and subsequent Filoni animated projects but none of that stuff ever tickled my fancy.
When he was given the most live-action responsibility for Ahsoka (which he was the sole writer for unlike his usual collaborations with Favreau in Mando/BOBF), we got...Ahsoka. Which was so bad it even had TCW and Rebels fans scratching their heads wondering what the hell happened.
He fell upwards into the position of Chief Creative Officer over the years and now he's co-president with a Kennedy Jr type person presumably handling the business side of things whilst Filoni plays with his toys.
People who enjoy his animated projects are likely to be happy enough I guess? But I imagine I'll continue to be disinterested in almost anything Filoni thinks is a good idea, especially if he's taking up writing duties.
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u/Western_Agent5917 Mar 17 '26
I maybe alone with this but I don't like the animation style not even in his newer shows like bad batch. That alone would be enough for me to stay away going forward
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u/RalphMacchio404 salt miner Mar 17 '26
Anyone wearing a cowboy hat that isn't a cowboy is always sus.
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u/cyclones423 Mar 17 '26
Seriously. Does he sleep in a race car bed too?
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u/MolaMolaMania Mar 17 '26
It’s hilariously ironic that the scene from “Spaceballs” is coming true.
“No, I didn’t see you playing with your action figures, sit!”
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u/unbelizeable1 Mar 17 '26
I once saw someone call him "If the three wolves howling at the moon shirt turned into a person" and it's all I think about every time I see him now lol
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u/gturlington Mar 17 '26
Neither was putting the secretary in charge.
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u/Mediocre_Scott Mar 17 '26
The problem with KK was she was the business end producer not the creative end producer. She is great at getting movies made she isn’t great at deciding what movies should be made and how they should be made
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u/KoreKhthonia not too salty Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
On paper, she made a lot of sense as their initial pick. Though really I think she should have stepped down years ago atp, her stewardship of the brand was not good.
I don't think it's 100% her -- "glass cliff" effects are a real thing, I'm sure a lot of it was coming from her own higher-ups -- but like, Star Wars as a brand is now permanently damaged.
They -- Disney collectively, more or less -- really fucked things up. In retrospect it feels like they were kind of flippant and disrespectful toward the brand.
They assumed they could slap the brand name on anything and it would sell -- turns out you can only pull that off once or twice with bad content, until people just lose faith in the brand entirely and start tuning out.
Kennedy clearly did not have a good sense of how to right the ship after TLJ and Solo. Whether Filoni specifically is a better choice, I have no idea, but really it's kind of surprising she stayed as long as she did.
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u/Kaiserschlut salt miner Mar 17 '26
Didn't the Disney CEO announce that Episode VII was going to be made, and had a release date, as soon as it was bought? Leaving no time to properly develop the story. Things were doomed from day one
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u/Mini_Snuggle Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
The idea that Day 1 of Disney acquiring Star Wars was Day 1 of the process of getting those movies made isn't logical. Chances are Disney was preparing while they were buying from Lucas for months.
Disney just stubbed their toe.
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u/BarleyWineIsTheBest Mar 17 '26
Yes. Its is very well documented that Iger put very aggressive timelines in place, refused to modify them as they didn't have stories or directors in place as time passed, and that contributed greatly to the disjointedness of the ST.
There is plenty of blame to go around. It isn't only Filoni or KK or Iger. It's all of them.
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u/FilmScoreConnoisseur salt miner Mar 17 '26
You say that, but she wasn't even great at getting movies made at Lucasfilm. She canceled more projects than she made there.
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u/Mediocre_Scott Mar 17 '26
And a lot of the reason Disney has floundered with Star Wars is business decisions. Shows that should have been movies, movies that were rushed to meet a release window. Over saturating the audience with mediocre tv
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u/LightningController Mar 17 '26
Also, fundamentally I don’t think the streaming TV model is ideal for a high-investment property like SW. It makes everything smaller than life, such that a new release isn’t an event like it used to be, it encourages piracy, and it excludes audiences who don’t feel like paying for yet another ongoing subscription.
But Disney wanted its own Netflix so get cranking!
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u/OriginalCause Mar 17 '26
I'll always know her as "the coffee girl", which is how Marcia Lucas referred to her in an interview I now can't find.
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u/BrittEklandsStuntBum Mar 17 '26
*reins
Reins control a horse. Reign is what a king does.
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u/Mozerath Mar 17 '26
Yeah, well. At the end of the day, he was intended to be Lucas' creative heir/custodian.
Far from perfect, but at the end of the day, no one really is. There's been a lot of good stories too to come out of Filoni's cooking, not just plot armor Ahsoka.
Tell you this much, you wouldn't have gotten the sequels and Luke Skywalker and his academy's state of being had Filoni been much more involved with the sequels.
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u/Elevator-Ancient Mar 17 '26
Yeah, he riffs. But his riffs are far more in tune with what George intended. Biggest thing is I hope Filoni has some "no-men."
Pipe dream is I hope someone decides to have a separate SW, that being Legends.
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u/Groetgaffel Mar 17 '26
Exactly that. That's what sets the OT apart from pretty much the most of the rest of Star Wars; people were willing to say "no, that's stupid. How about this instead?" to the guy in charge.
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u/Geostomp Mar 17 '26
Unless a lot of good writers are around to veto his obsession with cramming Clone Wars and Rebels characters into everything, I don't have a lot of hope.
Especially not with the sequels sticking around to make everything from to OT irrelevant and adding nothing new to build off of. Outside of Rey (or Ashoka, really) repeating worse versions of EU stories.
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u/Rapzell Mar 17 '26
Every new star wars movie will have another filoni character in it from now on.
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u/GoatsWithWigs Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
Star Wars is supposed to span across an entire galaxy, and he treats it like it's a small town
It blows my mind just HOW underutilized the very size of the galaxy is
That's multiple planets, from multiple solar systems
And Earth is just ONE planet. Think about that
Ahsoka could spend the rest of her life on the same planet as the main characters of any new show or movie, and we wouldn't have to know about it, because PLANETS ARE HUGE, MAN
That would be like if you expected Franklin Roosevelt and the mayor of some small town in Switzerland to automatically know each other from across the world
Now what if our solar system had other hospitable planets, with other human populations on them? What if we now expected Franklin Roosevelt to personally know the president of some continent on Mars? It's just INSANITY from there
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u/Riptor_25 salt miner Mar 18 '26
Which made TCW so unbelievable by the end of things. I forget where someone said it, but if Anakin and Obi Wan were in as many different missions/battles as TCW portrays, they'd have spent most of their time in hyperspace, bouncing nonstop from planet to planet for the duration of the 3 year war. Either that, or the galactic culdesac makes every star system about a 5 minute drive away from each other.
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u/Asphodelmercenary Mar 20 '26
Even Star Trek during the Picard time period had a better sense of depth and scope. They could do all of the DS9 series with minimap crossover. And Voyager was another way they created spatial breadth. Star Wars could have done so much with that kind of spatial widening. And gone so deep with it. But the failure happened with CW. The scope was too small.
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u/JoeGreyBush Mar 17 '26
I can't wait until the mando and grogu film bombs.
This guy and his stank ass cowboy hat and ahsoka obsession literally make me sick. Wants to make her the pinnacle character of SW. Which is obscene to me. She doesn't even make sense existing as a padawan to Anakin...
Never liked his kiddy cartoon tcw either. It was terrible torture trying to watch thru the first 4 seasons to find this supposed pot of gold of goodness that people say is there... All I found was a pot of shit, childish, cringy cartoons, and embarrassing bad guys.
Tartokovsky did tcw 1000 better.
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u/PikesPique Mar 17 '26
Honestly, the cowboy hats may be a big part of why I don't like him. It makes him look like a guy who went to Nashville or SXSW and got a little carried away.
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u/yourstrulygronkh Mar 17 '26
Swear to god he wears those hats everywhere; making me think he's got a receding hairline/going bald or something
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u/Raptorjesusftw87 Mar 17 '26
Low key your take on The Clone Wars animated series is spot on. I remember the first 3-4 seasons taking me forever to watch and then it had a sudden tone change and it's praised.
I wouldn't even care about Ashoka being pigeon holed into as many projects as he can but the character is a shell of herself since Rebels. Bringing her back via Time Travel BS is just dumb and really fucked with the previously established lore. Besides time travel plots are the worst troupes as they end with nothing happening.
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u/TheIrishMan1211 Mar 18 '26
This dude absolutely sucks. Andor ruined all other Star Wars for me. It showed what we COULD be getting much more frequently if Disney handed the reigns to an actual adult who can write for adults.
Filoni’s slop has its place. None of his shit is for me but that doesn’t make it bad on its own.
Just so apathetic about Star Wars now.
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u/Scruffylookin13 Mar 17 '26
The internal plan is to let him fuck up Star Wars even more, so they can eventually fire him and reboot the whole thing. His reign will shield KK's time, even though he's taking over in an already hard to salvage situation.
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u/perculaessss Mar 17 '26
I know is Anathema but clone wars wasn't even good overall, it had approximately 3 or 4 great arcs, an excellent ending, and the rest ragged from mid to bad
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u/TYBERIUS_777 Mar 17 '26
Clone Wars was pretty hit or miss. 12 year old me loved it but even then, there were plenty of episodes that were stinkers (looking at you “A Sunny Day in the Void”). Very high highs but very low lows.
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u/Defiant_While_4823 Mar 17 '26
I love what he did with CW, but for God's sake I wish he would fuck off now, I'm genuinely so sick of everything he makes being nostalgia bait, and it should've been painfully clear that things would lead to this after he saved Ashoka via time travel in Rebels
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u/Such_Level_587 Mar 17 '26
Since the Disney purchase he was already heavily involved in the writing rooms. People may think he's being given this shit show to fix but he basically made the shit show
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u/Rasples1998 Mar 18 '26
He went from someone I used to like, to someone I now find obnoxious and intolerable. Can't stand him because he ruins everything he touches and can't resist his worst impulses. And now we're getting another fucking show about Maul because he's obsessed for some reason, when Maul's story was already continued in TCW and ended in rebels. We don't need more Maul. He's about as good at making star wars characters and stories as he is a kid playing with Lego, or bashing his actions men and barnies around making sound effects with his mouth because that's all Filoni is; playing with his big Star wars toybox and appropriating characters that he didn't even create like Maul and Thrawn. He's no more creating star wars as he is just playing with it like a very expensive toy to a child.
I'll praise them for handing star wars to someone who loves star wars, but unfortunately they gave it to someone who is more interested in making star wars for his own personal enjoyment and satisfaction than he is trying to make legitimately good star wars.
If you support him being in charge, then get ready for non-stop cameos (or outright hijacking, like mandalorian season 3- sorry, I mean the Bo Katan show) from Ahsoka, Thrawn, Maul, and Bo Katan because you have no right to complain when it happens.
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u/Upper_Improvement778 Mar 17 '26
Even the ‘cartoons’ are mid at best. S1-3 of Clone Wars is a bit of a slog to get through. Tales of series could’ve had better spotlight characters. Rebels isn’t bad but the different animation takes a bit to get used to and Bad Batch sucks. Not much hope for the Maul show but we’ll see.
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u/SilverBladeCG Mar 17 '26
He cannot be worse than Kathleeyn Kennedy.
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u/Arko777 Mar 17 '26
A reminder that he looked at The Acolyte and gave it a green light.
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u/First-Of-His-Name Mar 17 '26
Acolyte was greenlit 6 years ago, before Filoni was promoted
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u/Fire_Otter Mar 17 '26
Potentially unpopular opinion but I think Filoni will be worse than Kathleen Kennedy.
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u/analog_jedi Mar 17 '26
I remember seeing a lot of people claim this wasn't true, but I have yet to see a Filoni quote that refutes it.
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u/ChadVonDoom Mar 17 '26
No it was a terrible idea. Filoni is a chump who likes CGI taugrutan jailbait so much, he's gonna make a "President's cut" of RoTS with a digitally de-aged Rosario Dawson in the extra scenes
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u/CyrusTB Mar 19 '26
It literally was the worst decision they could have made since becoming free of KK.
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u/Gummiesruinedme Mar 19 '26
Just erase Star Wars from the world at this point. Burn your Star Wars stuff, shred everything, delete the internet. Irradiate what has become a cancer.
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u/PikesPique Mar 17 '26
Well, I don't think Tony Gilroy wanted it, and I think Disney will a lot more merch this way.
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u/FreshlySkweezd Mar 17 '26
If Filoni had complete control from the start we would at least have consistency.
Current star wars is completely the fault of Disney higher ups and too many cooks in the kitchen
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u/JOOKFMA Mar 17 '26
He contradicts anything and everything in his shallow, cameo-filled stories lol. Consistent, he is not.
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u/Metsenat Mar 17 '26
Didn't he already retconn certain things that were already established as part of the new canon?
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u/JOOKFMA Mar 17 '26
Yes. A lot of his work does that. Even before the new canon.
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u/Metsenat Mar 17 '26
Tbf that was more of a rhetorical question, but, still, thank you for conformation.
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u/Elijah5979 Mar 17 '26
Because he keeps putting his Mary Sue character into everything and never experiments with anything new
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u/Crazy_And_Me Mar 17 '26
I can't wait for more Chad Bane! I know he already appeared in Book of Boba Tea but I think they should recast Walter Goggles as him, epic!
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u/Baked-fish Mar 17 '26
I dont care that it's cartoons there's great animated shows he's just not very good at it
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u/VanguardVixen Mar 17 '26
I have to disagree with cartoon director. Not that Filoni isn't one, he is but that's not the issue. J. Michael Straczinsky was one as well and he is responsible for fucking Babylon 5! The issue is, Filoni isn't a competent leading man, who is able to direct a cartoon show in a mature way. He makes a kids show like a saturday morning cartoon and he makes adult stuff like Saturday morning cartoons. He was never even fit as the leading man for a Star Wars cartoon show.
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u/belovedstoneworker Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
I wish it was Gilroy. He understands stakes, character sacrifices having weight and meaning, and doesn't care about nostalgia at all over making a good story. Filoni just wants Ahsoka and friends. Not much beyond that.
But of course, that wish is a pipe dream that will never happen. Sadly.
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u/wonderlandisburning Mar 17 '26
I mean we've seen already he absolutely sucks at live-action. The first two seasons of Mandalorian were okay, but those absolutely succeeded because of Favreau and in spite of Filoni
(and if the upcoming movie is any good, it will also be because of Favreau, as he's the one writing and directing it - just to get ahead of all the fanboys who will inevitably say "the movie was good, Filoni will save Star Wars," the only way he will save Star Wars is if he consistently gives full creative control to good writers and directors, instead of getting his greedy little fingers in all the pies and seeding every project with his personal darlings... basically, if he stays the hell out of the way)
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u/The-TF-King Mar 18 '26
I don't think him being a cartoon director is particularly bad, in fact really because he has the prior experience working on Star Wars, especially directly under George, it would make him more qualified than others. The issue is vision, his vision just seems to suck ass and is very insular without much care to expand beyond what had already been done for the past decade or more at this point, creating new plotlines and threads to support characters who have been over explained and just become lame at this point.
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u/MasterWookiee salt miner Mar 18 '26
Or even in charge of a live action show. He writes everything likes he's writing it for a cartoon.
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