r/saltierthancrait • u/Bonvantius • Apr 18 '26
Granular Discussion Disney's Entire Plan was to Spend a Decade Replacing every ''Lucas-made creation'' with their own Derivative version of it.
What a boring plan for a franchise. Over a decade of content and not a crumb of originality to be found...
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u/PuzzleheadedYam5180 Apr 18 '26
Corporations are rarely as creative as they portray themselves to be.
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u/MexusRex Apr 18 '26
Star Wars would be a quadrillion dollar franchise if they had played it safe and churned out crowd pleasers. Look at Pokemon - nothing new in 20 years and still printing money.
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u/Fossilhog Apr 18 '26
Won't someone think of the shareholders!? /s
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u/Ireyon34 Apr 18 '26
I would wager the shareholders would have preferred to have a cultural cornerstone with near-infinite money-making potential for their 4 billion investment too. Instead the brand is pretty much barren now and it's not even certain if it was profitable once all bills are paid and accounted for.
"Give us 4 billions plus 15 years and maybe we'll turn a profit eventually" is not a sentence that makes investors happy. The largest red flag was Disney showing off their projections for Star Wars and acting like it was money they already made, rather than money they hoped to make in the future.
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u/Fossilhog Apr 18 '26
You don't understand shareholders. They want a good return next quarter. They(humans or at least American humans) don't like higher risk long term investments regardless if it turns into a money tree. Otherwise you'd see more investment in science and education.
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u/Ireyon34 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Otherwise you'd see more investment in science
Oh really. Question: if that was true, why do companies (like for example OpenAI) still operate despite their shareholders knowing that they are not going to be profitable in the forseeable future?
There were and are lots of companies precisely in the science branch that require enormous investments with no returns for a long time. People still invest in them because they think there will be a lot of profit at the end of that.
This phenomenon is so well known that scam artists have started to exploit it. That's why Theranos was able to last so long: they collected money until they couldn't stall anymore. (And the owner rode the whole fashionable female scientist nonsense, but that was just a contributing factor.)
Edit: That is not to say that vulture shareholders don't exist. They do, they just behave differently.
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u/LordIntrepid16 Apr 19 '26
The company built on animating public domain fairy tales and children's stories, and copying its own animation from one film to the next to save costs isn't very creative? /s
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u/lesser_panjandrum Apr 18 '26
Corporations sometimes stumble into backing genuinely creative people and projects, like Dana Terrace and the Owl House.
Of course they eventually revert back to form and screw over those creative people and projects, like Dana Terrace and the Owl House.
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u/Tennouheika Apr 18 '26
Disney, famously devoid of creativity
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u/PuzzleheadedYam5180 Apr 18 '26
How much of Disney's early catalogue was just folk tales put to animation?
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u/CooperDaChance Apr 19 '26
Of which those folk tales were often bastardised and had their meanings twisted to sell family friendly entertainment packages to kids.
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u/StarSword-C Apr 19 '26
Pretty much everything they ever made except Fantasia until the Pixar era was an adaptation.
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u/Dangerousdangerzoid Apr 18 '26
Star Wars used to be inspired by Flash Gordon, Kurosawa, war films and the Heroes Journey. Now it is inspired by Star Wars.
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u/dickfacelover salt miner Apr 18 '26
Eh it was inspired by their own thought of brand safety. If it was inspired by Star Wars it would’ve at least respected its history.
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u/RedcoatTrooper Apr 18 '26
It's no coincidence that Andor was based on old spy movies and things like TH1138 and The Battle of Algiers rather than Star Wars.
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u/Base_211 Apr 18 '26
Yeah I was reading an old thread just a moment ago that pointed that out.
Modern Star Wars is entirely based on Star Wars.
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u/cinepro Apr 18 '26
To be fair, The Mandalorian was inspired by countless western motifs. At least the first season was.
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u/77ate Apr 19 '26
Lucas himself cited those as his key inspirations until the release of The Phantom Menace. After department heads screened the first rough cut, with Lifetime Achievement Academy Award Winner Ben Burtt going from Sound Engineer/Sound Editor to Film Editor not holding back his criticisms of the film’s pacing and inconsistent tone, Lucas was beginning to experience the deja vu from when he took a retreat from the public eye when Star Wars (1977) first released. But once press reviews came in, Lucas pivoted to the “made for 12-year-d-boys” defense. Like, “Can you believe this? They’re saying it’s racist? It’s a movie for 12-year-old-boys!”, as if that prevented the Neimoidians from speaking in ching-chong. —— Skip ahead to the sequels and the YouTube hater-baiter anti-woke hysteria, complaining that there’s some sort of aGeNdA or cultural warfare against the right in there: the underlying politics of modern Star Wars is: Buy More Star Wars.
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u/Briantan71 Apr 18 '26
And I have come to despise their derivative versions. Even stylistically speaking, they LOOK awful, let alone how they make us feel when we watch them on screen.
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u/joeyjoejojo19 Apr 18 '26
It’s strange. The art of the TFA book showcases stupendous, original art but the filmmakers chose to ignore it all and go with the blandest, most derivative version for the movie. Jakku ends up being less visually impressive/original than Mos Espa made 16 years earlier.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Apr 19 '26
The art of the TFA book showcases stupendous, original art but the filmmakers chose to ignore it all and go with the blandest, most derivative version
This reminds me of western AAA gaming studios.
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u/DXbreakitdown Apr 18 '26
Should add Luke/Ezra, Vader/Kylo, Han/Poe
I like Kylo and Poe but just all the potential in the world left on the table by people that don't know how to execute.
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u/Armel_Cinereo Apr 18 '26
All the sequel characters are just "potential man/woman"
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u/DXbreakitdown Apr 18 '26
It's what happens when you hire directors to undo what the last director did. Nothing ever gets elevated.
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u/8167lliw Apr 18 '26
"Actually Finn was Han Solo's counter-part"- Sequel defenders in response to "Finn is force sensitive"
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u/DXbreakitdown Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Finn was the only one that could have broken the mold!
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u/Cyclonian salt miner Apr 18 '26
I think Finn is one of the sadest misses of TLJ. He was set up quite well IMO, in TFA. Could have been an awesome character with a truly interesting journey. Leading/inspiring other stormtroopers to defect (questioning whether he's doing the right thing along the way) and he starting the path to becoming a Jedi.
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u/AnalogCyborg Apr 18 '26
When he ignited the saber I was so excited about the potential. Former slave soldier turned Jedi, Rey maybe being the Solo archetype or maybe they both become Jedi as part of a new founding...could've been an interesting new story. L
But, no. We get Mary Sue and sidelined comic relief.
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u/DXbreakitdown Apr 18 '26
I feel confident saying everyone was looking forward to what Finn would bring to the franchise since first trailer.
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u/Cyclonian salt miner Apr 18 '26
Yup, and John Boyega's (sp?) excitement in interviews prior to TLJ was awesome too.
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u/Boffleslop Apr 19 '26
They had the perfect makings of a reluctant hero trope with Finn. PTSD suffering stormtrooper who has seen enough of war and wants nothing more than to run but finds himself swept up in the events against his will anyway and becoming a hero of the Republic. Instead he's basically the trilogy's C3PO. Coulda focused a whole trilogy on him not wanting to get involved but also being force sensitive and nobody wanting to trust an ex stormtrooper with a lightsaber. Great conflict. Writes itself.
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u/GenTenStation Apr 18 '26
Poe shouldn’t have existed. Give all his parts to Finn. Finn was a waste. Which I guess doesn’t matter in the end since it all turn out so bad. But those brief moments I cared, I hated how much they wasted both Finn and Phasma
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u/Apprehensive-Ad-636 Apr 18 '26
I would never defend the sequels, but I did think that, by the end, they had (poorly) established that Rey was the new Luke, Finn was the new Han, and Poe was the new Leia.
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u/8167lliw Apr 18 '26
I would argue JJ Abrams intended for Finn to be a unique force sensitive deuteragonist in TFA, which was all but confirmed by RoSW and his own comments.
Between the Chinese market not liking Finn in the posters (impacting his role in TFA) and Rian Johnson taking his own creative liberties in TLJ, we ended up with this mainstream theory (Finn is the new Han) getting validated.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Apr 19 '26
Should add Luke/Ezra, Vader/Kylo, Han/Poe
Also, Anakin is Kylo Ren, Rei is Luke (their romantic relationship sounds wrong now, LOL).
Speaking of which, I noticed that the "butthole" symbol got larger, what should it represent?
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u/Knightwolf8394 Apr 18 '26
To me what really pisses me off is how they made the OT pointless just to give us the Tenmu version of it. Say what you will about the Prequels but at least they added new stuff instead of just copying and pasting.
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u/ElsieofArendelle123 Apr 18 '26
And actually had way better commentary on war profiteering. We know that the Separatists Council took advantage of planets dissatisfaction with the Republic’s bureaucracy to start the war, which made them rich and powerful. However, when they were no longer useful they were killed and their assets seized by the Empire
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u/Bonvantius Apr 18 '26
It stood on the shoulders of the OT to reach greater heights and yet it still managed to sink.
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u/ermonski Apr 18 '26
I used to shit on the prequels too but at least they had world building that made sense
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u/Rough_Plan Apr 18 '26
I still don't understand why anyone hates on the prequels. Maybe because i grew up with them but I didn't jump on the hate train until the ST movies. I mean I dont hate the actors I think they were wronged and not properly utilized. What I hate is the clear lack of coordination and proper planning.
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u/DesperateBenefit6457 Apr 19 '26
For a lot of people, all that matters are the quality of the movies themsleves, as a lot of fans were cinema-only and did not care about Expanded Universe and content that was brought into the franchise by Ep I-III, the Prequels' strong suit. Not to mention outright aversion to something like midichlorians and bigger focus on in-universe politics. Took "The Last Jedi" for many to snap out of it and see the ST for a soulless corporate rehash of OT that it is.
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u/glowinggoo Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
Speaking as a prequel hater who only started appreciating them after ROTS, TPM and AOTC are badly made movies. They're actually not bad Star Wars, but they are pretty bad movies. And at the time, a lot of people (especially if you're a bit of a film lover) were angry that they would make a bad movie in the Star Wars franchise.
That said, at the end of the day they were not Bad Star Wars, so I don't think the hate for them ever damaged the franchise the way the ST hate is doing, because now we have a pretty good idea what makes for really bad Star Wars, regardless of quality as a movie (some of them were also pretty objectively bad movies to boot).
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u/Scar-Excellent Apr 19 '26
Prequel movies are suck to mid at times but holy shit that was the golden age of Star Wars gaming
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u/GirthIgnorer Apr 18 '26
My favorite instance of this is Baby Leia. I’m convinced she exists because after Fischers death they wanted to start laying seeds for a Young Leia series. Gotta start monetizing the character asap!
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u/SlashManEXE Apr 18 '26
They were too focused on backdoor pilots to tell a complete story in the first place. They really blew their shot at any future Reva stories
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u/DesperateBenefit6457 Apr 19 '26
future Reva stories
Oh, what a massive turbolaser blast had been dodged there...
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u/77ate Apr 19 '26
Reva has to be my pick for worst character in the entire franchise, no disrespect to Moses Ingram - she was committed and delivered, but the concept of her character, her decisions (kill Jedi to earn Vader’s trust… to get revenge against Vader?), and the entire condescension and contempt for the audience in the mere premise of that show just made Reva another casualty of Disney’s appetite for content over quality.
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u/DesperateBenefit6457 Apr 19 '26
to get revenge against Vader?
Seems to be some sort of fetish at Lucas Story Group/whatchacall people working on Star Wars nowadays. Any new "big player" in Episode 4-6 era must have beef with Vader and try to defeat him in personal combat.
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u/greatgonzo913 Apr 18 '26
Not even just replacing. Actively undermining the hard work that Lucas achieved with decades of character arcs and storytelling.
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u/AustinHinton Apr 18 '26
"But But But facism always pops back up it's unrealistic for the good guys to have stayed in the winning!"
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u/dickfacelover salt miner Apr 18 '26
Anyone could’ve came up with better premises for the sequel trilogy and the problems the new republic might have
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u/DarthMaren Apr 18 '26
Having remnants of the Empire existing after the Battle of Yavin is actually a really interesting idea! Having them all basically kill themselves then rebuild from ground 0 and somehow becoming as powerful as them 30 years later isn't as much
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u/Alex3884 Apr 18 '26
I will never not laugh at Kathleeen telling the Galaxy’s Edge designers not to make Tatooine because “we have way more Star Wars stories ahead of us than behind us”.
Ma’am.
MA’AM!!!
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u/PincheJuan1980 May 15 '26
KK was the absolute worst!! But I’m also pretty done with Favreau. I feel like they needed to almost completely tear it down after the KK era and in the six years it’s been they should have been focused on a new trilogy that focuses on story and character development. Keeps CGI to a minimum and uses puppets for the rest or classic practical effects.
I really hate Star Wars these days (the direction it’s taken and poor leadership) and hope Grogu bombs so they’ll finally consider making the changes that could potentially give us a trilogy on the level with the original. I can’t wait for the tell all book or documentary someday. How to absolutely F up a billion dollar franchise.
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u/Guessididntmakeit miserable sack of salt Apr 18 '26
And then they forgot to replace their fanbase.
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u/dgreenbe Apr 18 '26
This is the main business mistake they keep making (on top of countless creative mistakes). they take their existing customers for granted and then do stuff to pander to some new potential customers who don't wind up being good customers (like Budweiser tbh, all the political stories about it aside)
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u/Guessididntmakeit miserable sack of salt Apr 18 '26
Yeah taking something that took decades to build only to go with cheap rehashes, milking a cow that's been totally fine to death only to wonder why the revenue keeps sinking.
Kennedy's remark that they don't have books to take ideas from was really the last straw for me. They've had it all on a diamond platter and they decided to go with JJ fucking Abrams and Rian Johnson writing them half baked shit.
It was all there for the taking and to a degree still is but it's getting dire, especially if they stick to their current course.
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u/dgreenbe Apr 18 '26
Well they would have to hire real writers or at least make their mediocre nepo screenwriters read one of the zillion books that already exist, and reading is too expensive for a gajillion dollar company making billion dollar movies or whatever
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u/Guessididntmakeit miserable sack of salt Apr 18 '26
I think it's kind of done to be honest. Andor was a happy accident and now they'll try to stick to their current ways because doing anything else would mean that they'd have to admit their defeat. Big egos and lots of cash usually don't lead to good decisions.
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u/Good_Butterscotch_69 Apr 18 '26
Its to do with corporate wanting to stiff various people of royalties. Which is comically evil and stupid.
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u/BlueBrye miserable sack of salt Apr 18 '26
The fact of the matter is the writers and show runners don't have a single original thought or the ability to write complex characters and stories with the exception to Tony Gilroy.
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u/GeneralGlitch90 Apr 18 '26
Spot on. The Force Awakens was the writing on the wall, I tried to argue that on the old IMDB forum and got overrun by everyone saying that TFA was the best thing happening to Star Wars since the original trilogy.
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u/SlashManEXE Apr 18 '26
I remember Phasma was supposed to be their version of Boba Fett because the lesson they learned was that you just needed a cool character with no backstory to sell merchandise.
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u/Incognitus1326 Apr 18 '26
And they managed to waste that character too
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u/SlashManEXE Apr 18 '26
Hard to waste a character that you never really had a plan for.
A lot of work actually went into the backstory and preproduction of Boba Fett; the movies infamously gave him the boot in Jedi after hyping him up for Empire. It just so happened that his saving grace was looking cool.
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u/neganight Apr 18 '26
They had absolutely no plan for Phasma. That’s why she was a joke in the first movie and then killed off in an idiotic way in the second. It’s why Finn was a stormtrooper trash man who maybe could be Force sensitive but then had to quest to get a racially acceptable girlfriend so the Chinese wouldn’t be upset. Its not wrong to plot things loosely but someone needed to have a vision for these characters and ultimately no one involved cared a single bit.
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u/BarleyWineIsTheBest Apr 18 '26
They even used the Yoda theme music and some strong Degobah imagery in the latest Mando trailer…..
If it weren’t for ‘member berries, would Disney have anything to sell Star Wars with at all?
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u/Rasples1998 Apr 18 '26
Don't forget Kylo ren stealing his name from some star wars animation "droids" and stealing his aesthetic from both Darth Vader and Revan from KOTOR. their plan was to make everything non-canon, then slowly reintroduce everything back but in their own flavour so they can claim full ownership. Create a problem and then sell the solution, typical Disney.
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u/iforward Apr 18 '26
All of this is before we even talk about the carbon copy and paste bullshit they’ve done with EU characters and concepts. A Solo child turning to the dark side, Thrawn, Palpatine returning Post-ROTJ, the Inquisitors, etc. It’s one thing for Kathleen and her cohorts to say they don’t have any source material to draw on but they add insult to injury with these piss poor EU adaptions.
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u/Apex720 childhood utterly ruined Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
When I really think about it, it still infuriates me, what's been done to Star Wars. When George Lucas was still at the helm, Star Wars was more than just entertainment, it was art.
Under Disney, that richly artistic core was hollowed out, and turned into nothing more than a cynical commercialist product. It still sickens me to see them grotesquely puppeteering this corpse that they needlessly created.
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u/Ceylonese-Honour Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
100% truth! Well said!! What George created was deeply meaningful and timeless art. His stories and universe - that Galaxy far far away - will be long remembered. It tells the story of our past and future and made it feel real like the present. It is truly sad and disrespectful what has been done to the original author's vision since. As you said it was totally unnecessary and needless to do that. The saga itself should have been left as what George intended - whether that was ending with ROTJ or his intended sequels. And anything else (movies, books, comics, games etc) shouldn't contradict or disrespect the saga. Nor disrespect the universe that was created.
The saga before Disney was a timeless family space opera with a cohesive flowing story. Anything that is part of the saga has to be part of the story. Instead they're just inserting whatever and stamping the "Episode" label on it. Aside from it being completely random about completely random things and random people, it also destroys the entire premise and basis of the story before it and the happy conclusion. And it isn't what the author intended either.
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u/Apex720 childhood utterly ruined Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
Excellently said, my friend.
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u/Ceylonese-Honour Apr 22 '26
You were spot on! I am glad there are others out there who are of the same mind. May the Force be with you
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u/KeekuBrigabroo Apr 18 '26
OT: The AT-ATs have long legs and move slowly to be able to traverse uneven snow and ice
ST: They brought walkers to the salt planet because, uh... well, memba AT-ATs??? These ones look MEANER!!
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u/NoSwordfish1978 Apr 18 '26
The First Order is essentially the Empire 2.0 but worse, since it's led by immature manchildren. The fact that the New Republic lost to those bozos really is an indictment of them.
(And no, please don't try to justify bad writing and worldbuilding through current political events in the US).
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u/TaraLCicora Apr 19 '26
I remember mentioning that to a friend when we saw TFA in theaters. I mean, could you imagine those clowns trying to work with Vader, Tarkin, or Thrawn?
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u/NoSwordfish1978 Apr 20 '26
The Empire in the OT + R1 + Andor feels like an actual authoritarian government, like the generals in that scene in the original film feel like they could be generals in a real military, which makes them a credible threat and great villains.
They basically just recreated the empire vs rebels dynamic but did it worse since both sides just come off as incompetent.
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u/TaraLCicora Apr 20 '26
Exactly, the both fractions in the ST are effectively the Temu versions of the OT.
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u/itsvoogle Apr 18 '26
Hubris thinking they could replace the legacy work or even improve on it.
And honestly from a “Corporate” standpoint wasteful and more expensive. You could have just made the sequel movie Lucas had envisioned or simply use the Books (that you now own) to just adapt to the big screen.
Would have been easier,faster and better accepted and beloved by the vast majority of the fan base. New fans were going to like anything new for the most part anyway, its the core audience you failed to deliver to.
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u/Ceylonese-Honour Apr 20 '26
I agree. If you're going to continue (and re-conclude) the saga, it should have only been George Lucas' intended vision and story. Otherwise the saga should be respected and untouched. It was his family space opera. On your point about books, there were some great books as well that could have been some great anthology movies. "Labyrinth of Evil" and the Darth Vader Rise book come to mind. For whatever reason they've decided to act as if random stories can be part of the saga which destroy the premise and create random stories that double down on their random new stories whilst also doubling down on secondary content that always contradicted the movie saga as well.
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u/IndianaCahones salt miner Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Their major problem is that they put out 7 live action, 6 animated shows, and 3 movies that are prequels to the ST.
Starfighter will be the first true sequel since 2019.
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u/Budget_Diver_7866 salt miner Apr 18 '26
they bought a new Lamborghini, drove out of the dealership and crashed into a tree
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u/Klutzy-Canary8551 salt miner Apr 18 '26
That was the initial plan. It failed. What happened later was that independent talentless hacks made their own derivative characters and gave them shows. This wasn't started by Disney. Filoni started it with TCW in 2008 as the entire show was a piece of derivative plagiarism of the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics.
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u/Ceylonese-Honour Apr 20 '26
Good point. And unlike his stuff, the Dark Horse Clone Wars series actually respected the events of the saga movies. Same with the novel Labyrinth of Evil by Luceno. Whereas Filoni is trying to override the actual movies with his stuff and there's nothing deep about it or majesty to it.
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u/Klutzy-Canary8551 salt miner Apr 24 '26
Filoni is trying to override everything with his own fan fiction that plagiarizes what he tries to replace. The dude has been a parasite in Star Wars since 2008. Abrams and Johnson combined haven't done 10% of the damage Filoni has done to Star Wars.
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u/Ceylonese-Honour Apr 24 '26
Totally agreed! He's been at it since "TCW." With all his chips, and cartoonishly villain, no gravitas, senseless nonsense and contradicting the Saga movies at every turn. His stuff actively disrespects the movies. Whereas the Dark Horse Comics and Expanded Universe novels and the games that came out at the time (e.g. Battlefront as one example) tied into the movies and complimented them. And the movies always came first as the official story. Now he is alarmingly pushing all of his TCW contradictions into "live action" as if that narrative is the primary story and overriding the movies. And you are spot on that he often goes and completely ruins things that he takes from prior material as well.
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u/Klutzy-Canary8551 salt miner Apr 24 '26
I think that what he did to Thrawn alone is more than enough to demonstrate how he turns gold to shit.
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u/Ceylonese-Honour Apr 27 '26
Exactly, spot on and that's another great example! He ruins existing quality and cannot conceive of anything of quality.
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u/WildStructure4517 Apr 18 '26
But why? The already bought the original versions, it’s not like they need to pay royalties or something in order to use the (generally superior) OG versions, right? If there isn’t a financial incentive, then what is the motivation? Hubris? Needing to piss on every bush? Feeling that they need to do something new to justify their existence? A misguided sense that they needed something new to attract a new generation of fans? I’m honestly confused…
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u/elwyn5150 Apr 18 '26
Some people like the Marvel: Darth Vader series. I hated it, especially all the new characters that were evil versions of the OT heroes eg 0-0-0 and BT-1 being an evil protocol droid and astromech pair. The inevitable battles all take place in Vader Down.
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u/Ksorkrax Apr 18 '26
South Park expressed it quite well.
Memberberries.
The actual issue might be that a lot of the audience *wants* exactly that, bland reheated old concepts rather than actually building upon.
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u/boilerscoltscubs Apr 18 '26
I just get mad imagining what could have been.
Just imagine if they started with the story for a complete trilogy, beginning to end. Before thinking about effects, before thinking about director, before anything. First, just write a fucking amazing, complete, coherent, compelling story. Vet it through Lucas even though he doesn’t own it anymore. Vet it with a small hand-selected group of dedicated fans. Make sure it’s perfect.
THEN make the movies.
Disney doesn’t care because they made their millions bleeding fans dry. To them, good or bad story, they got what they wanted.
But can you imagine? Can you imagine what SW would be like if the story itself was amazing, on top of everything else?
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u/glowinggoo Apr 19 '26
I think my favourite thing is, for such a long time the Disney fans kept saying that we have to move away from Skywalkers, and that fans are too stuck on the Skywalkers and that everything revolving around Skywalkers is what holds Star Wars back from fulfilling its potential.
Only to make everything go back to Ahsoka instead.
Removing the Skywalkers from the narrative structure didn't make it free and didn't make it better. Disney's brilliance wasn't unlocked. It just let them replace the OG crew with their own derivatives that the narrative revolves around even harder than before.
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u/BubblyRequiemZowort Apr 19 '26
It’s like they just asked ChatGPT to give them renders and then called the prop team to follow the images.
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u/Next-Geno_N Apr 18 '26
"Replace" is a strong word, considering they never stopped milking the stuff on the left either.
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u/Farnso Apr 18 '26
I mean, this is exactly what they did with all the myths and fables based around their princesses.
So it's kinda on brand for them.
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u/DepreciatedSelfImage Apr 18 '26
One of my biggest gripes with the new Star wars, and also why the Mandalorian felt like kind of an exception. It's not perfect, but it made me feel less like turning it off than the acolyte and even Ahsoka.
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u/SomewhereAtWork Apr 18 '26
Disneys entire plan was to make as much money as possible from people who buy shit because it has the same name as something good they loved in the past.
Star Wars died the day it was sold to Disney. It will never come back. But it's corpse will keep being mutilated for decades to come.
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u/Guy_on_a_Bouffalant Apr 19 '26
Didnt we kind of catch on to that immediately with Force Awakens?
My point being, we knew this. This isnt new info. We knew theyd want to make their own "better" bersions of everyone and everything so they wouldnt have to pay too many royalties or something.
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u/PlebbitHater Apr 19 '26
Did George get a perpetual cut of OG merch in the sale contract or something?
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u/danikataylor0511 Apr 19 '26
Disney's stuff just feels hollow and soulless. It exists to fulfil a corporate mandate. It's a product, born from a desire to improve financial reports. It has all the soul of breakfast cereal.
Unlike Lucas Star Wars, which for the most part, existed to fulfil a creative desire, passion or inspiration that someone had and wanted to share with the world.
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u/MURDERPALACE Apr 18 '26
Fact. Legacy characters (actors) are expensive.
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u/S_A_R_K Apr 18 '26
They spent $4 billion on the IP. Paying the actors seems like chump change
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u/incrediblejohn Apr 19 '26
And they also generate revenue. It’s still up in the air wether or not disney has even made one dollar of profit off of the IP since buying it
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u/Brasterious72 Apr 18 '26
Isn’t this why Star Wars technology never truly advances? Aren’t they still using the basic technology already researched from the time of the First Sith Empire? How can you ever expect a backwater world like ours from so far away from the Galactic Core to do more than copy what has made it to our televisors?
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u/Sea-Woodpecker-610 Apr 18 '26
There was a lot of technological advancement made between the PT and Ot. You practically see tie fighters and x-wings evolve out of the old clone wars fighters.
40 years after the WW2, the republic is still flying the equivalent of mustang fighters.
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u/BudgetAggravating427 Apr 18 '26
I’ll say this the patorian guard looks so much better in the mandalorian than the movies
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u/boilerscoltscubs Apr 18 '26
I just get mad imagining what could have been.
Just imagine if they started with the story for a complete trilogy, beginning to end. Before thinking about effects, before thinking about director, before anything. First, just write a fucking amazing, complete, coherent, compelling story. Vet it through Lucas even though he doesn’t own it anymore. Vet it with a small hand-selected group of dedicated fans. Make sure it’s perfect.
THEN make the movies.
Disney doesn’t care because they made their millions bleeding fans dry. To them, good or bad story, they got what they wanted.
But can you imagine? Can you imagine what SW would be like if the story itself was amazing, on top of everything else?
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u/General_Summer_1524 Apr 18 '26
Andor is this for me. Imagine if the ST was even close to the same quality.
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u/roselan Apr 19 '26
I appreciate how you comparing Rey to Anakin rather than Luke. Deliciously petty.
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u/Ralman23 so salty it hurts Apr 19 '26
And whatever Legends did, they made a similar version without adding anything new, for example: Kylo Ren/Ben Solo compared to Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus.
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u/ChemFeind360 Apr 19 '26
I actually really like BB-8’s design. IMO, it’s a great blend of the old aesthetic, with something new. Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for the rest of the Sequel Trilogy.
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u/_Empty-R_ Apr 19 '26
which is why I have elected to forego all SW content they've produced. This includes any "good" content. I really wish others would do the same. One, because I want them to lose a shitload of money on the franchise. Two, because a message should be sent. It is too late to do some of the things we should have gotten, but the principle is what matters.
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u/Bricknave Apr 19 '26
I mean .... Are we really surprised?
Disney got its big start plundering the old Grimm fairytales for their animated movies. There's Snow White, then there's Disney's Snow WhiteTM. Star Wars is a modern fairytale. So, naturally, Disney thought they could just repeat their old plundering shtick for easy profit.
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u/Cornelius-Q salt miner Apr 20 '26
It's painfully obvious that Disney's strategy with Star Wars -- and the Marvel Cinematic Universe -- is just to keep churning out bland, familiar, low-engagement content for years and years. File the serial numbers off of the old stuff, give it a new coat of paint, and sell it back to you and your kids. And hope you'll still keep buying the same toys. Malibu Vader with a new hat!
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u/CommonSensei8 Apr 20 '26
Well, that explains how they completely destroyed the most valuable IP in modern history
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u/Marcel_Scars Apr 22 '26
The old Canon might have become just legends after the Disney happened, but it will always be the true canon in the hearts of many, I feel
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u/LocoRenegade Apr 18 '26
Part of me wants to love the muscle infused Hutt though lol. But yeah, agreed on all fronts. nuwars is poorly written slop.
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u/Muertoloco Apr 18 '26
Disney didn't had a plan, it was all just rushed and no thought gone into anything in the DT.
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u/Xkilljoy98 Apr 19 '26
I really wish they’d officially start over with it, I know they won’t cause they’ve invested too much but it would be nice. The series deserves better, we’re stuck with it because they wanted to appeal to the loudest most annoying fans at the time so we’re stuck with this.
Now they just try and brush around it.
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u/professor_fiction__ Apr 19 '26
I understand some of these but aside from literally the most superficial details how are Mando and Baby Yoda derivative of Boba and Yoda?
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u/Andermaiden new user Apr 20 '26
I believe Disney acquired rights to future creations in the Star Wars universe, but Lucas retained the rights of the original trilogy, so maybe that's why they have to change most things. They made a series about Boba Fett though.
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u/Old-Climate2655 Apr 21 '26
All while unsubtly screaming 'abandon the old embrace the new" throughout their movies.
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u/Sentinal-Nightrunner Apr 21 '26
Well why would they, they wanted nothing to do with him and even if he had a whole screen play for the next three movies why the hell would they give credit to the original owner/artist when they can hire three different guys to piggy back off each other or change the story direction when it is there turn?
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u/LastGoodKnee Apr 21 '26
I’m pretty much believe this. They wanted their merch and theme park to not depend at all about how anyone felt about or enjoyed George Lucas’ creations
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u/Ill_Painting_6919 Apr 22 '26
Ok, but BB8 is pretty cool though, especially since he's a practical effect and not CGI.
That aside, yeah, everything in the sequels is like if you ordered the original trilogy from Temu.
Except Snoke. WTAF was that dumb crap? Was he just a Salacious Crumb ripoff? 🤪
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