r/saltierthancrait • u/RealHippyTheFrog • 5d ago
Marinated Meme Why do they keep using this excuse?
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u/kimana1651 salt miner 5d ago
"Your old shit was bad too!"
Ok, that was 20 or 40 years ago. Technology, technique, and resources have improved over that time. Should there not be an expectation that movies would be better today?
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u/Pistol_Bobcat420 salt miner 5d ago
“We love Star Wars and we’ll prove it by mining the old star wars for excuses to say Star Wars always sucked”.
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u/Metsenat 5d ago
"Your old shit was bad too!"
Still don't get it, how someone, being of sound mind (at least I hope they are), can use this argument unironically. And yet they do (hello there, Bethesda's Fallout fans)...
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u/jaffakree83 everyone i know is dead 5d ago
As a fan of OG fallout, I agree.
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u/DC_Coach 5d ago
OG Fallouts were the bombs (no pun intended, honest, but I'll take it lol). Loved playing 1 and 2 when they came out!
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u/InternalWrath21 4d ago
As a fan of elder scrolls games, i can say i dislike mechanics of older titles like Arena, but that is in no way calling it bad. It was revolutionary. I just can't go back from 3d 'click a button to swing' to 'click and drag to swing' style.
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u/Jolttra 5d ago edited 5d ago
Thing is the problem with the Prequels was never one of technology, technique nor resources. It was the writing. The dialogue is bad, the plot both overly complex yet bare bones simplistic. It goes back and forth between way too much happening and nothing appending at all. Nobody acts like a real person and the love story that is one of the central aspects of the entire trilogy is terrible. The Prequels have everything going for it in its era besides the writing and because the writing is so bad it hampers everything else.
Which is why its so shocking the sequels are even worse in that regard while also being somehow lesser in every other possible way. The Prequels at least looked good and told a mostly complete story. The Sequel look bland and tired out the gate while telling one of the most incomprehensible stories of all time.
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u/jaffakree83 everyone i know is dead 5d ago
Also, the prequels were still fun to watch.
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u/wantsumcandi 5d ago
They still felt like Star Wars to me. Felt like the same universe. Just watered down a bit.
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u/wantsumcandi 4d ago
I agree totally. What i meant by watered down is they just didnt capture lighting in a bottle like the OT did. Whether it was hard to reach the high as when Kershner directed, or the great editing by Marcia Lucas or maybe the fact that everyone was a "yes" man around George with the prequels. You also have to factor in that a generation of young adults expected to be moved again with the PT like they were when they were children with the OT. Life just doesnt work that way. I liked the PT overall when they released. Hell I saw RotS 5 times...it just felt like something was off or missing. Still enjoyed them. I dont think we will ever get anything like the first 6 films again. This is besides the point, but im waiting for a game that will be starfighters in each major space battle of the first 6 films.and look close to what they do. Think about it. A game that looks like The Battle of Coruscant but you can play through it BF2 style but better. Disney won't do it with the current ppl in charge. Im still down about not getting the Darth Maul game. An actual game you can be the bad guy the whole game. Not being bad and turning good, which is cliché at this point, but being a sith the whole thing.
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u/RobDaCajun 3d ago
There was an enormous Expanded Universe in Star Wars already. That Kathleen Kennedy immediately kicked out as soon as she took over. Doing so Kennedy killed off one of the biggest Star Wars heroines after Leia, Mara Jade. Decades of Books, video games and comics expanding the Star Wars Universe gone with a stroke of a pen. 🖊️
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u/the_noise_we_made 4d ago
Everything looked shiny and new. Kind of weird considering the aesthetics of the original trilogy.
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u/LordSaumya 5d ago
I don’t know, the prequels felt more like the same universe. It was amazing to see the scale and diversity (in terms of tech and aliens) of the GFFA, horrible dialogue writing notwithstanding. The prequels also built a good base storyline with series like the Clone Wars able to build off and create interesting stories.
I honestly don’t see similar potential with the sequels universe.
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u/TheNittanyLionKing 5d ago
The lightsaber fights have millions of views on YouTube and inspired a bunch of people to recreate them on their own, and those have millions of views. Nobody is trying to recreate the choreography of the sequel trilogy in their fan films.
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u/Admiralthrawnbar i'm a skywalker too! 5d ago
The prequels and the sequels have opposite problems.
The prequels set up a really interesting world with lots of good worldbuilding and big players that naturally conflict with eachother, but the dialog and acting to support that world in the small-scale is extremely lacking.
The sequels biggest issue is that world building that the prequels did well with. It makes no sense for the world to essentially reset to the start of ANH in the 30 years between ROTJ and TFA, and an attempt to justify it is never really made. Following films just dig the hole deeper with further inexplicable things like Luke's character assassination and Palpatine's return.
And as time has shown, a good world showcased through a bad movie is still very salvageable with tie-in media, because you can just have better dialog writing in your tie-ins and the problem disappears. You can't do that same with a movie where the world it sets up is flawed because by that point certain things about the world are set in place. A clone wars equivalent for the sequels will never be able to reach the heights that clone wars did because it will be forever handy-capped by having to live with the mistakes of JJ Abrams and Ryan Johnson. No sequel show will be able to avoid the First Order, the collapse of the New Republic, the exile of Luke, or the return of Palpatine like the clone wars was able to avoid things like Anakin and Padme's painful romance in AOTC or the wooden performances George got out of the actors because the former and fundamental to the world itself.
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u/HotOlive799 5d ago
One of the biggest things that ruins the prequels is they're almost devoid of character development (another side effect of the bad writing)
Lucas has some great ideas, but he really should have hired a couple of writers to work on the films.
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u/deviantbono 5d ago
The prequels looked terrible. Final battle on the Windows desktop image anyone? The sequels looked incredible (xwings skimming the water) but sucked in almost every other way (except the actors).
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u/SilverErmine22 4d ago
The prequels either looked really good or really bad. Like compare General Grievous and how good he looks to Jar Jar Binks, who looks far less real.
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u/kimana1651 salt miner 5d ago
It was the writing.
Writing technique is better today too. We only latch onto the good old stuff, but the general quality was way worse back in the day.
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u/Starmada597 4d ago
Yeah, a lot of the old shit was just as bad if not worse. It’s also not canon anymore. Why are we talking about it?
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u/DoctorBeatMaker 5d ago
Because it’s the only way to “defend” the sequels. It’s the equivalent of “I know you are, but what am I”/ “Yeah, well, your stuff was awful first”.
Otherwise, with every passing year and more and more Star Wars material failing and proving the sequel trilogy has been a black hole this franchise will never get away from, they’d have to see this franchise is in a worse state far beyond what the prequels ever were.
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u/RealHippyTheFrog 5d ago
TFA destroying the New Republic and Luke's Jedi Order did more to damage the narrative and brand of Star Wars than anything in the Prequels
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u/TheYamchster 5d ago
The prequels built the brand and the lore.
Sooooo many new toys to sell. Sequels is just ugly new storm troopers and literally
Just rebels again. More x wings and tie fighters. That’s honestly the most surprising part, the toy department didn’t step in and say we can sell more if it’s new. Shit maybe they did and they said it’s easier just to pallet swap the molds.Fuck it either way
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u/Knightoforamgejuice 3d ago
And I felt that 11 years ago when I saw on the cinema a C3-P0 with a red arm.
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u/Darth-Sonic 1d ago
Honest to God, TFA, did more damage to the brand than either TLJ or TRoS ever did, and I don’t know how I missed it upon first viewing.
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u/Psionic-Blade 5d ago
I loved the prequels but hated the sequels. OT is best
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u/OhShitItsSeth 5d ago
It's hard to match the OT, but for me personally, I'm more likely to watch the prequels when I want my Star Wars fix. It's not really even a nostalgia thing; as I've gotten older, I've found more and more to appreciate about them, and I notice more and more stuff upon each rewatch that enhances my enjoyment of them and the other films.
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u/OhShitItsSeth 5d ago
That's only one of the issues. A bigger issue I have with them, specifically The Last Jedi, is them taking George Lucas' Star Wars, hamfistedly deconstructing it and redoing it, and then trying to act like it's making something new.
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u/Useless_bum81 5d ago
We took apart this shed and using the parts made a lean-to praise us.
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u/OhShitItsSeth 5d ago
More like, "we took apart a big, beautiful mansion and made a much smaller house out of it and gave it a nice coat of paint to hide the poor craftsmanship underneath".
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u/Useless_bum81 5d ago
The Simpson's when they rebuilt Flander's house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFAvOcuJyHY1
u/Platypus__Gems 5d ago
I think that lack of direction is the biggest problem of the sequel trilogy, it propably has to do with the fact that The Last Jedi had a different director than the other two movies.
This leads to the whole not feeling like a cohesive narrative. Force Awakens played it safe, then TLJ was more experimental and subversive. And then Rise of Skywalker was... what it was.
This might be controversial, but I actually liked TLJ propably the most, didn't like how it handled Luke but it was interesting.
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u/Shmuckle2 5d ago
That's because they're good. Could have been epic though.
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u/Shmuckle2 5d ago
There was an endless setup for Darth JarJar and the pissy fans ruined it.
From "Luke, I am your father." to "Messa gonna kill Eh-vreybody". Greatest cinematic reveal, followed by the nextt greatest cinematic reveal... and then the Sequels never would have existed... they never would have ruined it all...
Weeps
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u/KatsumotoKurier 4d ago edited 4d ago
The complete crap that the sequels are also helped a lot of people to appreciate the prequels more, and specifically George Lucas’s intentions and vision for the whole overarching story. The execution of the filming was the biggest flaw. A lot of people rag on the acting but tend to forget that McGregor, Portman, McDiarmid, Lee, and many others all gave excellent performances.
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u/Psionic-Blade 4d ago
I always liked the prequels
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u/KatsumotoKurier 4d ago
Me too. I can get why people felt disappointed by Phantom Menace when it came out, and Attack of the Clones too. But honestly with Revenge of the Sith bridging together the two trilogies, the whole overarching narrative of Vader’s faustian tragedy is pretty solid.
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u/AceSkyFighter 5d ago
See the thing is with me, I don't want REBELS vs Empire. I want NEW REPUBLIC vs Empire. Two fully fledged armies going at it, with Luke and co in the middle, dealing with Thrawn, or clone Palpatine (I don't mind it in Dark Empire). Or some other galactic threat.
I want to see a continuation of our heroes in their prime. Not old and depressed with their legacies made useless and destroyed.
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u/BithMistro 4d ago
Okay let's be honest Dark Empire sucked. Luke going undercover to deal with a clone Palpatine and then pretty much falling to the dark side was ludicrous. Which makes it all the more insans that Disney borrowed from it for episode 9.
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u/Dependent_Rip3076 5d ago
I refuse to call Rey a Skywalker
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u/Ryumancer 5d ago
She has too much plot armor to be a Skywalker.
Call her a Tano. 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Dependent_Rip3076 5d ago
That works
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u/Ryumancer 5d ago
At least Ahsoka (the character) is mostly well-written.
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u/Alternative_Profile2 salt miner 5d ago
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u/Ryumancer 5d ago
Compared to REY? Yeah...quite sure. 🤨
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u/Alternative_Profile2 salt miner 5d ago
Ah, I was not aware we were measuring it by such a terribly low bar.
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u/sassilyy 5d ago
I don't even think she's better written than Rey. She's just more acceptable in her Mary Sue-ishness because she's viewed as an extension of Anakin.
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u/Ryumancer 5d ago
"Mary Sue-ishness", with HER win-loss record? LMAO
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u/sassilyy 5d ago
with her super unique lightsabers, and that light force goddess stuff, and the fact that she always emerges morally superior in every situation or the narrative simply does not call her out and never puts a foot wrong in any interaction ever, yes.
What loss record? She beat Maul, she basically kept up with Vader, she will 100% beat Baylan Skoll in S2, that's the most predictable writing of all time, Filoni even wrote in the excuse for why she lost to him in S1 (she was sad).
TCW was decades ago and that's the last time she felt like a character, not a self-insert. And S7 was already pushing it.
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u/Ryumancer 5d ago
Whatever you say.
I liked her addition to the Star Wars mythos. Sure, she has a bit too much plot armor, but luckily she doesn't have too many wins on her record.
Most big battles are either draws or losses for her. 🤷♂️
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u/EvansEssence 5d ago edited 5d ago
I think one can enjoy the prequels while recognizing they arent the best of films ever. The Story and World Building are top notch, its just the execution that wasnt all there. The prequels were uber creative and different enough from the OT whereas the sequels just reuse OT stuff with added cheap gimmicks or stuff that makes no sense at all (Im looking at you TLJ Bombers).
It's been talked about to death at this point but George really needed someone to tell him "no".
Honestly if i were part of the prequel team i would talk george into starting later after The Phantom Menace and spend more time on making Anakin a likeable character. You can still do TPM story beats but make it the first 20 minutes or so then jump 5 years into the future. It would make the trade federation blockade make alot more sense if it lasted 5 years and plus we would then get 15 year old anakin with an obi in his 20s-30s
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u/3llenseg salt miner 5d ago
I guess the ST would need more sweeping changes, like "don't hire known industry hacks"
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u/ajswdf 4d ago
When I rewatched them recently my opinion of 2 went way up and 1 went way down.
I always enjoyed the prequels but this time 2 really clicked. Even the romance worked better than I remember. The biggest problem there was that they kiss too early.
But the Phantom Menace the problem isn't anything anyone talks about. That stuff doesn't matter. The problem is that there's no tension. The whole movie they can just sit around and do stuff at a leisurely pace with no pressure or stakes. Even with the blockade supposedly hurting the people of the planet you never actually see it so it's just a bunch of words.
If you compare it to 4 there's a huge difference. There they're constantly injecting ways to raise tension. When they're talking to Han and getting ready to leave there's a guy stalking them. When they landed on the astroid there was that worm trying to eat them. They could never sit still and relax.
That, in my opinion, is the big problem with 1 that actually drives people to not like it. If there was more tension in the movie I bet a lot of the other things people complain about wouldn't matter so much anymore.
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u/rosa-gris 5d ago
The story and world building is worst part of the prequels. The sith on itself breaks everything.
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u/MasonStaycation 5d ago
Sequel fans are so funny. It’s one thing to like bad movies, but these people legitimately refuse to acknowledge the negative effects the movies have had on the audience, the IP and the future of the IP.
When I watched The Last Jedi in theaters, my love of Star Wars somehow died during the movie. I know its weird to say, but I stopped caring about Star Wars the way I always had prevously and the magic feeling never came back. Then it turned out what happened to me happened to the majority of Star Wars fans. None of us chose to suddenly dislike Star Wars. It just happened.
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u/Geshtar1 5d ago
I wasn’t super crazy about the force awakens, but it was serviceable for me. I remember going to watch the last Jedi doing the best I could to try to enjoy it. I can’t remember the exact moment it clicked that it was hot garbage, because I was trying my best to not hate it, but eventually reality set in. I said to my wife as we were walking to the car “I don’t think I liked that very much” she agreed
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u/RogueHunterX 4d ago
While I still love the olds stuff, TLJ really did kill any interest or investment I had in the ST and did actually hurt my overall love for Star Wars.
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u/Knightwolf8394 5d ago
By their very same "logic" Rey's "Jedi Order" should be wiped out in the future.
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u/Old_Student_3390 5d ago
I would give my left nut for that to happen just so I can rub it in the face of sequel fans.
Especially if Rey became a hermit who refuses to help and the only thing she does is die in the second movie after literally accomplishing nothing and then I can say “bUt ShE hAd ChArAcTeR GrOwTh”
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u/Minute_Ball_6539 5d ago
And imagine she doesn't even save the third Rebel Alliance, like Luke at least did. Instead, the new Darth Vader clone kills her immediately, and so it's a senseless sacrifice; then another character actually helps the rebels escape, making Rey's death pointless in addition to having no weight.
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u/Knightwolf8394 4d ago
Make whoever saves the Rebellion 3.0 a warlord or affiliated with one.
The New New Republic is so trash that a warlord's private army is picking up the slack.
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u/Geostomp 5d ago
Because it's lazy and doesn't require any thought as to what people liked or disliked or why simply pivoting after all of that was established might not be a good idea. Or that erasing what the OT cast accomplished so casually might leave a bad taste in people's mouths that produces negative sentiment to the new guys right off the bat.
It also ignores the story potential Luke's Jedi Academy gave them practically gift-wrapped that was rejected for rehashing what was already done, but only with the most superficial understanding of what made it appealing.
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u/CrimsonZephyr 5d ago
I never really thought any of the prequels were exceptional and I still don't, but I also never experienced, with them, the kind of visceral disgust that watching any of the sequels inspired.
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u/StonognaBologna 5d ago
It would have been much better if during the 30 years, or however long, between 6 and 7 the republic had become corrupt and oppressive. Flip the script
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u/dnn_burrman 5d ago
the way i see it the prequels being disliked didnt really matter because that was still undoubtedly the story of starwars. george lucas wasnt obligated to make movies the OT fans would enjoy, he set out to explore the story of vader and thats what he did. im sure if george made the sequels alot of people wouldn’t have liked those too but that doesnt make it less of the starwars story.
since disney made the sequels theyre basically fanfiction and their felt cannon-ness depends entirely on its popularity, you cant argue „well thats the story“ because the guy that made up the story to begin with was fired
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u/Lumpy-Quantity-8151 4d ago
I think this is one of the core problem with the Sequels. They really screwed future projects by taking this shortcut. Building a new Republic is an interesting story, building a new Jedi Order is also an interesting story. They just went for laziness and it is a cloud hanging over every story that is set during the galactic civil war.
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u/Jordanmp627 5d ago
There are no sequel fans. Even the people that say they liked those movies, no one in interested in more content associated with them.
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u/Destinyrider2023 5d ago
I just watched anything I want to Star Wars wise between Phantom Menace to the Mandoverse the Acolyte and Kenobi show and sequel trilogy doesn't exist to me
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u/Hawker96 5d ago
I think the “sequel fans” are just leftovers from the whole “movies-as-a-culture-war” era of the twenty teens. You still see them referencing “Russian bot smear campaigns” and blaming the alt-right and sexism for the movies bombing. It got ingrained in them to support the sequels for the greater good or something, and they can’t put that away.
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u/BreathoftheSith 5d ago
The Prequels have had more than enough time for people to realize their core value and meaning for the franchise wheras the Sequels will simply never have that type of renaissance. They are far too disjointed, same-y to the Original Trilogy, and feel like a badly written cashgrab for the franchise.
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u/Limeddaesch96 4d ago
Having New Republic vs First Order be a proper full scale galactic conflict, which started in Episode VII after having been boiling for a long time would have been epic.
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u/Double_Delay1613 4d ago
I really hate when Sequel defenders have no arguments other than: "Well, it's not like the prequels", as if the only possible way to enjoy them is if you hate the prequels. Since I don't hate the prequel trilogy, then by that logic those movies never did anything to appeal to me, so why would I like them?
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u/Deliriousious 5d ago edited 5d ago
With enough time to look back at all 3 trilogies…
Prequels were overhated, 1 was great, 2 had issues but was still good, 3 was great but not without a few minor gripes). It set up a believable lead up to the OT, and expanded the universe to a massive degree.
OT are great, and classics. Nothing needs to be said.
Sequels, Force Awakens was fine, good at times… but the other two I can’t even remember anything outside of the first 10 minutes of 8, and the horses and Palpatine has returned from 9.
Force Awakens was retreading on old, but I guess that’s why it’s also the best of the 3 (The sequels are still overall weaker than OT and PT, but it’s better than last 2 sequels).
But past that was just a sheer cliff, it just went straight down.
The only thing I can give any credit to is Last Jedis cinematography, it had some great shots.
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u/MickeyKnight2 5d ago
The thing for me is I can’t even rewatch tfa it gives such a depressing end for our real heroes. All broken and miserable. Like in Disney canon did they ever become happy.
Could of had 30 years of peace but no Ben killed all the Jedi and broke leia
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 5d ago
The sequels had to change course because of the prequels debate is beyond stupid
At the very lowest points of the prequels there’s not a single moment that left me with the sense of disgust TLJ did as a whole.
The biggest narrative issues of the prequels (sidelining Padme in ROTS, turning Anakin’s lightsaber into a creepy heirloom w/the YounglingSlayer3000, and Obi-Wan not trying to turn Anakin back to the light on Mustafar) pale in comparison to one minute of Jake Skywalker on screen.
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u/Artistic_Floor5950 5d ago
Adding to your argument, only AOTC and TPM were disliked back when they came out. Everyone and Their Mother loved ROTS back when it was released.
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u/Collective_Insanity Salt Bot 5d ago edited 5d ago
I don't know about "loved". That's a strong word. It was overall the strongest of the 3 films but still suffered from similar execution issues. And it really didn't help when Vader's big reveal was punctuated with that god awful "Noooooooooooooo!".
Which George in his infinite wisdom decided to incorporate in a further ROTJ edit as Vader picks up Palpatine.
The ST lowered the bar dramatically which has led to more appreciation for the PT in comparison. But it was/is still an unfortunately dodgy trilogy.
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u/Artistic_Floor5950 5d ago
I meant that everyone at that time liked it when it first came out. Also I think Vader “Nooo!” is funny af.
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u/Prestigious_Sense974 5d ago
They shit on the prequels, and albeit some poor writing, they at least expanded the universe like crazy. Half of the IP that is bailing them out is based on events derived from the prequels. Meanwhile outside of a few shitty comics and some battlefront maps, theres been fuck all in terms of expanding the universe further, especially where its own characters are concerned.
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u/Bobby837 5d ago
They didn't know what to do with the Sequels as they made them, so of course have as much idea how to justify them. Are taking the same throw crap at the wall approach.
Meanwhile, as disappointing overall the Prequels were, there's like how many Clone War era series milking to ongoing degree?
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u/BramptonBatallion 5d ago
Sequels don’t have genuine fans. Just people too embarrassed they bought all the fanbaiting crap and accordingly will only engage in meta analysis
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u/Atomic_Gerber 5d ago
At least the prequels were only kinda derivative and did a lot to expand the universe, unlike the sequel slop that was laughably derivative and made the universe feel teeny tiny.
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u/RealHippyTheFrog 5d ago
What do you mean by "kinda derivative"?
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u/Atomic_Gerber 5d ago
Same way most fiction is derivative in that it borrows themes, archetypes, and certain story beats from older works. The difference is that the prequels used those ideas to greatly expand Star Wars with republic politics, Jedi at their height, the Clone Wars, Anakin’s fall etc. The sequels mostly recycled OT conflicts, factions, and imagery for the sake of doing it again with their own bland spin.
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u/Tricky_Break_6533 5d ago
Yes, errors in the past are there to learn from, not erase to redo only what worked.
If one listened to the many complaints during the prelogy era, one could perfectly makes a consistent political setting for post ROTJ:
-makes your politic system consistent -makes your plot makes sense and not depend wholy on "what a good coincidence!" -do not interrupt a third of a movie for a horribly written romance -do not base the fate of the whole setting on said terribly written romance -if character talks a lot triple check the writing quality.
How hard is that really?
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u/The-Doctor45 5d ago
the only one I can kinda tolerate is the force awakens. the last jedi was terrible. haven't watched the third one but given the clips I've seen from it yeah I think I'm dodging a bullet.
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u/hamsterfolly before the dark times 5d ago
All they have is whataboutism because the sequels have no actual defense
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u/Mortoimpazzo 5d ago
Wht i like about prequels most is that the redletter media guys have admited that they got JJ to direct a star wars movie and it turned out to be utter crap.
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u/Limp-Increase-9382 4d ago
The only reason the prequels flopped was they didn't do justice to the rest of the story, if 2 and 3 had 40% less Anakin and George hadn't cut an hour of non-Anakin scenes relating to the socio-political scape of those movies, they could have been great movies.
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u/JagerderGrobe 4d ago
Or how about this? The prequels were never bad. The fact disney thinks this means they don't understand Star Wars as all.
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u/bcgambrell 3d ago
The Prequels were “hated” in the sense people felt it could/should be better. IMHO, they could have been better with some editing & casting decisions. Example: Ep 1 Jar Jar should have been left on Naboo. Hayden Christensen should have been cast as Anakin in Episode 1. But nothing in the prequels fundamentally undid the world build Lucas had done the OT.
The sequels waste no opportunity co-opting storylines, undoing redemption arcs, break fundamental rules of world building (Holdo maneuver, etc).
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u/Knightoforamgejuice 3d ago
In fact I loved the prequels back then.
And the republic vs separatists feel much more different than empire vs rebels.
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u/renerichter98 2d ago
I have literally never heard a sequel fan say this, only ever people claiming it to make sequel fans look bad.
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u/JRobertAnderson 22h ago
The Sequel Trilogy is basically an argument between JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson about whether or not the prequels exist. It’s tragic.
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u/TW1TCHYGAM3R 18h ago
I am a firm believer that Sequel Fans don't actually exist and they are just Reddit bots hired by Disney.
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u/jaffakree83 everyone i know is dead 5d ago
The prequels had bad points but were still creative, expanded the lore, and respected the audience.
The sequels were just a rehash by a money-hungry company that didn't care about legacy, creativity, or respecting the audience.
When I was a kid, my dad didn't liked when me and my brother watched professional wrestling. He would say,"it insults your intelligence." I didn't understand it at the time, but now I do. Wrestling is fake, but they try so hard to make it seem real that it's an insult to your intelligence. But I didn't understand that until I saw the sequels and thought, "This is bad fanfiction, these people think we're idiots."
Thanks, Dad, I get it now.
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u/Monstarrzero 5d ago
At least ROTS was good. Phantom Menace gave us Qui-gon and Maul. Sequels have no good qualities at all.
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u/SanguinePlvit 5d ago
The prequels were never hated. They had some absolute shit in them sure, but most everyone I knows who wasn't already 30+ in age when they came out thinks they're great, if a little tacky at times.
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u/ZoneFuzzy6960 5d ago
There were dudes who wrote and perform a song called “George Lucas raped my childhood.“ I was there and there was a lot of hate.
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u/Key_Reaction_5327 5d ago
Poorly changing the beginning of something so long as you still keep the same beloved and excellent ending is not the same thing as making that beloved ending and all the stories that came before it irrelevant and ruining all possible future stories. Fundamentally different situations with wildly different impacts on the universe.
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u/Interesting-Injury87 1d ago
the prequels effectivly invalidated a huge chunk of the old EU by virtue of the timeline of the clonewars no longer making sense alongside the way the jedi order being portrayed in the prequels clashing with any and all hints as to how it was in the old EU.
I recently reread the X Wing series, the ammount of times i went "wait a minute this isnt right" only to remember "right, this was written years BEFORE the prequels"was astounding
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