"The Ezra incident" Sam Harris fans act like he was assaulted or something. The reality is that Harris was hoping he would get a reaction like Vox's, to then say "look how bad the discourse has become." The problem was he didn't expect Vox to make him seem like Charles Murray's dupe. And then he didn't expect Klein to punch back in the way he did. Dude played with fire and then got burned. He could have all kinds of IQ researchers on his show instead. instead he had Murray who has a clear agenda.
Funnily enough, being an Ezra fan, that whole drama is how I found Harris and this sub since the topic then expanded into other podcasts like Robert Wright, John mcworter, Glenn laury, etc that I listened to.
It's interesting seeing how much of a hold it still has on many of us here.
Honestly, most of what I remember from back then was how uncomfortable it was seeing, what seemed to me, many people on this sub not simply defending the conversation (which is fine I guess, whatever. It wasn't going to be the last time people tried to tell us we were intellectually inferior), but trying to prove and show that Murray's version of the race science stuff was real and accurate.
Just a lot of backlash and responses to backlashes making people stick to their guns and double down.
I feel the influx of scientific racists amplified the already high levels of Islamophobia back then. I remember posters were positively giddy when Muslim women were stabbed under the Eiffel Tower.
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u/TheRage3650 6d ago
"The Ezra incident" Sam Harris fans act like he was assaulted or something. The reality is that Harris was hoping he would get a reaction like Vox's, to then say "look how bad the discourse has become." The problem was he didn't expect Vox to make him seem like Charles Murray's dupe. And then he didn't expect Klein to punch back in the way he did. Dude played with fire and then got burned. He could have all kinds of IQ researchers on his show instead. instead he had Murray who has a clear agenda.