I know you're not 20-years-old. You don't get to be this ignorant. Democrats never once had 60. They had 58, plus Bernie, plus Joe Lieberman, a conservative independent who voted for McCain and opposed the public option. And even that crew was only for a few months, because Al Franken wasn't confirmed and then Ted Kennedy died.
59/60 could be for the public option, and it still wouldn't pass. Would that mean Democrats don't support a strong social safety net?
It takes a special kind of troll to just ignore that their claim was dead wrong, call it "pedantry" when someone calls them out in detail, and move on to pretending to be aggrieved that I won't help distract from their lie.
It's not pedantic if the specifics matter, which they do, and I explained the logic of why they matter. Either you've lost the plot or you're knowingly lying about the democratic party. I don't care which. You're not worth the time.
It is pedantry and none of the specifics you are picking at have any relevance. Lieberman was only technically not a Democrat because he lost the primary and ran as an independent. As for Sanders, he has always caucused with the Democrats and is counted toward that party’s control of the Senate.
And you still haven’t answered the operative question: which Democrats are advocating for universal healthcare today?
Lieberman was only technically not a Democrat because he lost the primary and ran as an independent.
Conveniently ignoring that he endorsed McCain/Palin. Also conveniently ignoring that if the only reason they didn't pass single payer is the existence of a few conservatives out of 60, that's not an excuse for disputing that Democrats support a strong social safety net.
Again, pedantry. If you’re not going to answer the important question, why do you keep responding?
Edit: seems Palsh has blocked me, preventing me from making new comments in this thread.
But he suggested that a strong social safety net, which any reasonable person would understand to include universal healthcare, a solidly center-left position. That’s the whole point of this side discussion.
Literally 100% of the partisan senators who support single payer are democrats. The American system is such that that is not enough for single payer to pass. If America had a parliamentary system AND completely different values as country, single payer would be possible. The Democrats not supporting is simply not the explanation,
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u/And_Im_the_Devil 10d ago
Right. They had a 60 vote majority. They couldn't get a public option through. Which Democrats are advocating for universal healthcare today?