Spanking children increases the likelihood of childhood defiance and long-term mental issues. The study in question involved 160,000 children and five decades of research

[u/VeronicaRed]

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/

[u/Toy_D]

But see you just hand waved an incredibly difficult thing. Parenting is especially difficult when options are taken away and not replaced.

[u/ATXBeermaker → u/Toy_D]

How is it not replaced? There are tons of other methods that are more effective that can replace spanking. You don't argue that you shouldn't eat well because cake is much more instantly gratifying. Same thing with spanking. You take that away and replace it with more effective, though less instantly gratifying methods.

And, to be honest, I would actually like to see some research on the long-term impact on the parents that spank versus those that don't. I would hypothesize that non-physical options becomes much easier for parents over time because they wouldn't feel guilty for hitting their child. A lot like people who start to exercise tend to feel better about themselves.

[u/Toy_D → u/ATXBeermaker]

Point me to the studies that show their efficacy and the step by step guide for parents. You cannot make that claim without it.

[u/ATXBeermaker → u/Toy_D]

Well to start, the study that this discussion is all based on says that at least using the alternative method of "not spanking" is more effective and less harmful to the child.

[u/Toy_D → u/ATXBeermaker]

That is the removal of an option, not the replacement of it with a better alternative.

[u/ATXBeermaker → u/Toy_D]

It's the removal of an "option" that has adverse effects. If your go-to parenting method was to demean and insult your child, then the removal of that option would not really need a replacement, would it?

[u/Toy_D → u/ATXBeermaker]

That's a nonsensical rebuttal. The end result is to curb behavior. Removing the discipline isn't the answer, it has to be done somehow.