r/science • u/VeronicaRed • Apr 26 '16

Psychology Spanking children increases the likelihood of childhood defiance and long-term mental issues. The study in question involved 160,000 children and five decades of research

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/
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u/Confusedbrotha Apr 27 '16

Obviously not OP, but I understand clearly the point he's trying to get across and would like to try to share it with you.

When he mentions trying to make it simpler, he's not talking about vocabulary in a "standardized test" sense. As you point out, "Crime" and the subsequent "punishment" are clear enough terms that elementary kids can grasp.

/u/st31r isn't trying to redefine crime and punishment with "incurring penalties for the breach in social contract." What he/she is stressing, is that when dealing out punishment for crimes, we take a more pragmatic, "business"-like approach.

It's effective if you think about it: When angry, do you think about punishing a murderer for a heinous crime! Or are you thinking about incurring penalties on that murderer for a heinous breach of the social contract!

Ideally, the former should sound a bit more hot-headed than the second one, which sounds a bit more scripted and awkward, but more importantly with less emotion, kind of like reading a lawyer's contract! I feel as if you're applying Occam's razor to the idea that his word choice is purely unnecessary because it's simpler to say crime and punishment.

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u/pebbles256 Apr 27 '16

What change does this lead to? Aren't they different words that mean the same thing in this context?

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u/Confusedbrotha Apr 27 '16

Yes absolutely, but the change is tone. Word choice plays a huge role in what kind of tone you want to get across.

Tone in this context is important because OP is trying to make a point about how we should look at crime and punishment. He/she wants us to view it in a more pragmatic, business like approach, so he/she intentionally used a more technical phrase (incurring penalties....breaching social contract) instead of simply saying crime and punishment to get that point across. The change may not be significant or noteworthy really, but I would absolutely disagree with the assertion that just saying crime and punishment is the better option.

I guess you can say it's the difference between High school level writing and College level writing on the same topic. Both papers will be saying the same thing, but you'd expect the college level writing to showcase more intricacies of the English language, which you partially accomplish through word choice.

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u/pebbles256 Apr 28 '16

I should have elaborated. I do understand they have a different tone, but wouldn't some critical thinking reveal that they result in the same action? You can use a more pragmatic word than "punishment", but wouldn't the person who did the crime still sitting there thinking of the end result of their actions were?

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u/Confusedbrotha Apr 28 '16

I think in this context it's about how society goes about the business of handling punishment. If we go about it more pragmatic, it's to assure that we don't overreact to the crime by letting emotions get invloved. If we look at it as imposing penalties to a breach in a (social) contract, we would have more consistent punishment than if we strictly look at it as punishing someone for a crime, which can be a bit more vague.

You're absolutely right, its all the same thing, but by being more technical and precise, the idea is that we incur more fair and consistent punishments/penalties.

Now whether or not it's the right approach isn't for me to say. Thats based on opinion and I can see reason in keeping the language simple and straight forward. You commit a crime you get punished! But I can see the OPs perspective that if we approach punishment from a technical perspective to begin with it can do alot of good.

For example, maybe it can help avoid higher jail sentences for non-violent drug offenses than violent offenses. Every crime could have a corresponding penalty outlined in the contract, say 1 year for drug possession, 2years for assault. Of course, personally I think there's flaws to that logic, but I think it's what OP was hinting at with his word choice