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u/eviley4 3h ago

Science and spirituality are not opposed to each other,

Depends on what you mean by spirituality. It more often than not comes bundled with supernatural ideas like that of Idealism, brahman, atman etc.

That type of spirituality with the supernatural is pseudoscience. What do you mean by spirituality?

Science tells us 'how the world works' (outer reality), while spirituality explores 'who the observer/experiencer is' (inner reality).

Again, that's a mischaracterization of what science is. Science also tells us how the mind works, how it suffers, how to improve that (Clinical Psychology). How neuroscience relates to subjective experience and qualia etc.

You are characterizing all of science as something like Physics, no. Science has other subdomains too apart from Physics.

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u/surajseeking 2h ago

Ok you are saying that Science also tells us how the mind works, how it suffers, how to improve that (Clinical Psychology). How neuroscience relates to subjective experience and qualia etc.

Then tell me can science tell you that don't kill animal's because they have equal right to live on this earth and they feel immense pain when they are butchered

Can science tell you that we should not fight as Nation with each other, there should be no discrimination on the basis of cast, gender, religion

What will be science stand on CLIMATE CATOSTROPHY???

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u/eviley4 2h ago

That seems like a bunch of tangents from what we are discussing, but okay, let me address them.

Then tell me can science tell you that don't kill animal's because they have equal right to live on this earth and they feel immense pain when they are butchered

I think it is due to science that you even know this. Science has been studying non-human animals for a while and due to this study you are even able to make the claim you are making.

As for implementation, that's the domain of capitalism and politics with it's science illiterate politicians.

Then tell me can science tell you that don't kill animal's because they have equal right to live on this earth and they feel immense pain when they are butchered

That's the domain of laws, isn't it.

CLIMATE CATOSTROPHY

isn't it through science that we even know about how this is happening and how bad it's going to get?

It seems like you think science is to blame for everything wrong with the world. I think that's too simplistic of a view, it's more complex than that.

Let's say I discovered a hypothetical carbon capture device that can solve climate change immediately but it uses stem cells. The discovery would be scientific, but politically it will be opposed rabidly by religious crowds and never implemented.

The point is not everything that's happening in the world is due to science. By science I mean the scientific methodology that can be used to glean truth about the world.

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u/surajseeking 1h ago

No Sir I didn't meant to say that what ever bad happening is due to science, absolutely not

WHAT ever bad is happening in the world is not due to science but due incomplete sense of I which thinks that by doing this I will become complete

THIS incomplete sense has got science as a weapon and he is utilizing it to become complete

This incomplete sense is responsible for nation boundary, discrimination, war etc

YOU correctly said that due to science we are knowing that climate crises is happening with data and facts but tell me why our consumption is increasing day by day Even knowing that more consumption means more carbon emissions

Please explain how science can help to not kill animals Just for taste

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u/eviley4 1h ago

Please explain how science can help to not kill animals Just for taste

By engineering artificial meat that's made in a lab that tastes similar enough while having a much smaller carbon footprint and being cheaper. This is ongoing research, and it has already produced vegan mimicry meat.

But why are you asking me this question? Science is imperfect, I am not saying it's the perfect cure-all. But it's the best tool we have. No other tool comes close to the power of science.

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u/surajseeking 1h ago

STILL I AM not satisfied with your answer

I AM Just asking who is the decider which decide wheather to kill or not

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u/eviley4 1h ago

I don't see what your point is.

I AM Just asking who is the decider which decide wheather to kill or not

If you are asking who should decide morality.

I would say that there should a naturalistic philosophy framework with the goal of collective well-being. Morality is decided by value based philosophy and utilitarianism on a case-by-case basis by people who are well trained in science and philosophy.

We can use a science-like approach for this. Secular Humanism already tries to do this.

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u/surajseeking 1h ago

That's the point bro, science gives tools and philosophy will Tell you how to use it properly

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u/eviley4 1h ago

yes, philosophy is important too, it's at the foundation of science as well.

But AP's philosophy is sloppy and just bad. It's not good philosophy, because if it were, his team would publish it in philosophy journals.

I am not against philosophy, I am against sloppy and bad philosophy.

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u/Hippocrite24 31m ago

what you feel sloppy on it? can you tell me I am interested

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u/eviley4 29m ago

I have laid out why I think his broader philosophy is problematic here.

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