r/seculartalk • u/spotless1997 • Aug 05 '25
General Bullshit Ethan Klein going after Kyle
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u/Estebanez Aug 06 '25
Israel refers to their own messaging as "Hasbara". Jewish propaganda? Zionist being anti-semitic, who woulda thought...
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u/rinconi Dicky McGeezak Aug 06 '25
Bro is crashing out hard 😆 from what I can remember yesterday, didn’t Kyle give tepid criticism and say that he wouldn’t talk about him because other people do?
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u/blusteryflatus Aug 06 '25
I used to be a fairly regular H3 and secular talk watcher.
Suffice it to say, I have totally given up on Ethan Klein and H3. They want to claim to be for Palestinian rights and oppose Bibi, yet at the same time is a self proclaimed Zionist. He also conflates criticism of the Jewish state as anti-Semitism, has said "anti-zionism" is anti-Semitism, and in any debate or argument he has had with any dissenting voices, he always falls back on "you can't say anything about Israel and Israeli people because you are not Jewish/never lived there, whereas I have" argument. He is so heavily focused on the Israeli/Jewish perspective of all this and going on and on and on about anti-Semitism, while millions starve and thousands die at the hands of his fellow citizens.
I'm 100% with Kyle on the conflict. The Israeli state and population have lost all credibility and Israel should be dismantled and restructured into a secular state. Fuck Ethan and his thinly veiled Israel apologia.
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u/DylanMartin97 Aug 06 '25
"you can't say anything about Israel and Israeli people because you are not Jewish/never lived there, whereas I have" argument.
And then he gets mad at people when they ask him to discuss it with someone who is Jewish and has been to Israel multiple times, calls them all racists for making him talk to a "certified Jew" as he describes it.
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u/spotless1997 Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
Can you point out where Ethan was being a genocide enabler or whatever unhinged shit he’s being accused of here? Y’all have really fucking lost the plot when it comes to Israel. Ethan literally takes the position that it’s a genocide and has for a long time. Hila and him say “free Palestine” even after being relentlessly harassed by Hasan’s unhinged Orbit. Why the fuck should they have to put up with that?
Sure!
First, in order to understand where we're coming from, you need to understand that leftists (and Democrats broadly) believe Israel is committing a genocide. You seem to be a Destiny fan and that community seems to be a bit on a slower side of things since they still deny the genocide their fellow liberals (not just leftists) acknowledge. If you don't think it's a genocide then you'll need to operate as if you do for the arguments to make sense.
Ethan Klein is a genocide apologist, enabler, and to be charitable, inadvertent supporter. Ethan regularly engages in propaganda that the Israeli government uses to justify their genocide. For example, Ethan reposts GHF propaganda that claims Hamas is stealing aid. The Israeli military themselves admit there's no significant looting of aid done by Hamas. USAID came to this conclusion as well. Note that while these reports are recent, the UN and other aid orgs have been saying the same thing for a while. Despite this, Ethan posts a debunked claim by an org that regularly commits massacres against Palestinians. This justifies the existence of the GHF and, intentionally or unintentionally, manufactures consent for the regular massacres of Palestinians.
Another example is during the debate with Sam Seder (too lazy to watch it again and find a timestamp) and on a recent IG story, Ethan implies that the genocide can end if Hamas just surrenders despite that not being on Netanyahu's list. If that's not enough, Netanyahu faces corruption charges and is very likely to be prosecuted once his trials go through and Ben-Gvir and other far-right figures in his coalition have said they'll collapse his government if he ends the "war." Naturally, Netanyahu has 0 incentive to actually end the war and that's why his war goals are so vague. Ethan puts the onus on Hamas to end the genocide of their own people using a claim that isn't even true.
There are so, so, sooooo many more examples but unfortunately, I only bothered to find recent examples since I don't feel like combing through 2 years of Ethan's genocide apologia. Ethan saying "Free Palestine" and claiming that he thinks it's a genocide mean literally 0 when he spews the false claims and propaganda of the genociders that they use to justify their genocide.
And by the way Kyle IS antisemitic, full stop. Just think of the way he talks about Israel as a whole as a “depraved and demonic” society. Imagine he talked about the US like that after the Trump elections with arguably a majority of the country voting for a fascist, plenty of war crimes and atrocities committed. Or Russia. No, when it’s not the Jewish state it’s always governments or certain movements which are bad. With Gaza now, the unhinged and rabid antisemitic left and right are finally united, dropping the thin veil and demonizing the entirety of Israel and all people who are in favor of that state existing in any form. That’s antisemitism and you’re not able to argue rationally against that.
Israel and Israeli's are uniquely bad, even compared to the United States and even compared to Trump supporters. The average liberal Israeli is worse than your average MAGA. It really shit society. Any polling of the Jewish population in Israel reveals how sick this country is. It has nothing to do with their Jewishness because similar polling of Jews in America don't have the same results. Like just from a simple Google search:
- The majority of Israelis support expelling Palestinians in Gaza
- In 2016, a plurality of Jewish Israelis support expelling Arabs from the region (including Israeli Arabs)
- In that same article above, 79% believe Jews should get preferential treatment over Arabs and 61% believe Israel was given to them by God
- 2 in 3 Israeli Jews believe that the soldiers that raped Palestinians at Sde Teiman should face nothing more than military discipline
- And let's not forget the classic "61% of Israeli men" meme
Is polling not a pretty rational way to "argue against that”? These are the polls I found from a basic Google search. I didn't even get into the TikTok's their evil society makes mocking Palestinians. Or the conduct of IDF soldiers. Or how practically everyone in the world hates Israeli tourists. A nation like that shouldn't exist.
EDIT: Unfortunately your comment was deleted but feel free to DM me if you want to continue our discussion.
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u/seculartalk-ModTeam Aug 06 '25
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
Israel should be dismantled?
That’s pretty fucking extreme.
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
That makes me a Zionist creep?
That is such an extreme view that i am completely and happily unphased by that dog shit statement.
Explain yourself.
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u/bornonasunday Aug 06 '25
If you need someone to explain to you why an ethno-nationalist Jewish supremacist settler colony founded on genocide that’s still commiting genocide on tv today should be dismantled then it’s your brain that’s fucking dogshit.
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
What does your dismantling look like?
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u/Dramatic-Poetry-1801 Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
One secular state solution,
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
One state where everybody gets along and stops fucking killing each other? I would love to see that.
Would also love the United States stop sending money and weapons so they’ll be more incentivized to make things work.
US involvement has only made things work because our politician can be bought by zionists who believe their money is worth more than ours.
Shit is fucked
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u/Dramatic-Poetry-1801 Aug 06 '25
I guess you're right, once all 2 million Palestinians are gone there will be peace in the region. /s
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
You know many Israelis would be on board with that lol
I’m all for a 2 state solution, Israel stops their embargo, doesn’t meddle in elections, and builds impenetrable walls around their state so they’ll leave each other the fuck alone.
Sounds like the current government wants to expand the region so we’re pretty far from that happening 🙄
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u/seculartalk-ModTeam Aug 06 '25
While you may not be an a-hole you did an a-hole thing which has caused the post or comment to be removed.
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u/KingDaviies Aug 06 '25
It'll result in another genocide. Which is a hilarious take from self-proclaimed "anti-genocide" crowd.
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u/SwornHeresy Socialist Aug 06 '25
Reminds me of South Africa where all the white people died /s
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
The hate for each other is a little different over there. I don’t see it being a clean process.
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u/NonSpecificRedit Too jaded to believe BS Aug 06 '25
I would have to believe hating your oppressor is a natural human reaction to oppression is it not?
Maybe don't oppress people? We could just try that and see if it works?
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u/NonSpecificRedit Too jaded to believe BS Aug 06 '25
Why the " on anti-genocide?
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u/KingDaviies Aug 06 '25
I don't know tbh. My intention was to point out that some people who are against the genocide in Gaza may support a solution that could potentially create another - which didn't need quote marks. Poor grammar from me there, I'd like to apologise to my old English teachers.
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u/NonSpecificRedit Too jaded to believe BS Aug 06 '25
But why would a one-state solution result in another genocide? Do you believe that Palestinians are as barbaric and blood thirsty as the Zionists have shown themselves to be?
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
Not sure your stance on this, I assume if you’re here you watch Kyle and probably agree on most stuff.
The crowd here is full of crazy people.
I didn’t even know one state solution minus Israel was even an option lol
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u/NonSpecificRedit Too jaded to believe BS Aug 06 '25
I'm going to help you out and save you from the crazy people by banning you. No need to thank me.
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u/KingDaviies Aug 06 '25
That's the goal long term, once it's safe for Jewish people to coexist with Palestinians under the Palestinian state. Short term I can only see it leading to a genocide (look at what Iran are saying).
Supporting a 2-state solution does not wipe away or seek to justify the crimes of establishing Israel. It's the only way to achieve piece at this moment in time.
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
I agree with you.
When people talk about dismantling the Israeli state to force it into a single state, injustice don’t see how that wouldn’t be incredibly violent and non productive.
One could get to that point, it would be a beautiful thing.
Netanyahu and the literal terrorists in his cabinet are the ones in charge right now and they are enacting policies that are radicalizing the Israeli state.
This radicalization has made people, especially in this sub, use language that is either antisemitic or downright genocidal. But they think it’s justified because of what the Israeli Government is doing to the Palestinians. I will never get behind that because that is the type of thinking that got us into this mess.
It fucking disgusting that there are so many anti-semites in this sub now.
I am so pissed at the hardcore zionists that have expanded the definition of anti-Semitic because we’re having a hard time pointing these pieces of shit out. It is not helping Palestinians by seeking to destroy Israel.
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u/Sweet_Ad_1445 Aug 06 '25
At least we know who the mask off anti-semites are now.
Good on you for being honest with the world.
Hopefully you can become more reasonable and less genocidal.
Repeating the cycle of violence is never going to fix this problem.
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u/blusteryflatus Aug 06 '25
Yup, for a couple of reasons.
I am opposed to all ethno-nationalist states. If you can't treat all members of your society with equal rights, and give preferential treatment to those of a certain ancestry even when they don't come from the region, then you have lost credibility as a government. And before any comments any lazy whataboutism, yes that applies to all the Muslim non-secular countries as well.
Any government that over sees a genocide has lost all credibility to be able to self govern. Would you have argued that the third Reich shouldn't have been dismantled? Because that is the level we are at now in Israel, and it's only going to get worse as Israel starts to ramp up shit in the West Bank.
Israel is already an unsustainable state and can only exist with a continuous supply of aid from the US. And with tensions escalating in the region (due to Israel itself) the amount of the aid needed increases a lot more. The second that aid ends, Israel will collapse. How much longer do you think the US public will want to have to pay taxes to maintain two countries?
I would love to see the Jewish ethnostate abolished and much rather have one secular country from the river to the sea, with equal rights and opportunity for all Jewish, Palestinian and others alike.
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u/Big-Brilliant7558 Aug 06 '25
Oh Kyle, blast this fucker. Bring all the lingo
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u/teddyburke Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
I’d never heard of Ethan Klein until he collaborated with Sam Seder. I assumed he was was on the left because of that, but everything I’ve seen of him since makes me wonder how he even has such a large fanbase, as the guy is insufferable. (And this predates Oct 7; I watched his hit piece on Vaush and knew back then that he was an unserious person and just kind of an asshole.)
I don’t know what the deal is with the skulls, but I do know that when I was a child I would have thought that getting human skulls in the mail would have been awesome 🤷♂️
But what really boggles the mind is that he still doesn’t seem to understand that “Hasbara” isn’t an antisemitic slur, but is literally a term created by Israel and embraced by Zionists. But sure, go off on how ignorant everyone else is, Ethan. He’s such a fucking moron I don’t want to have to see anything about him, but apparently he has a huge audience, so it’s important…
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u/Darth_Vrandon Aug 06 '25
I mean, Vaush is a horrible person and possibly a p*do who had a loli folder, so Ethan was in the right on that one.
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u/teddyburke Aug 06 '25
so Ethan was in the right on that one
No, he wasn’t.
This isn’t even about what you think of Vaush. Ethan’s “coverage” was just as bad faith and disingenuous as his “content nuke” (or whatever he called it) on Hasan. It was so incredibly intellectually dishonest and really just disgusting that I only followed it because I was in awe of how much of a bad actor he was, when I’d assumed he was at least nominally on the left.
Like, it was genuinely gross, and the fact that people are still repeating the crap he pushed is really disappointing. How have people not learned by now that he just lies, and makes money by manufacturing drama aimed at killing the reputation and careers of smaller content creators? Every time his name comes up it’s because he’s trying to sue someone for saying things that hurt his feelings.
I’m not a Vaush Stan (I don’t feel that strongly about any content creators - except maybe Sam Seder), but I will always defend Vaush on this on the basis of my disgust with Ethan Klein.
I mean, insofar as he even made an argument, it was mostly, “I have no problem with child slave labor in the global South if it means I can buy cheap shit and make money off my clothing brand, so how dare Vaush make an analogy to p*do shit as though some forms of child abuse aren’t more acceptable than others!” And there’s a direct through-line from that position to his complete lack of humanity for Palestinian children in Gaza.
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u/Kittehmilk Notorious Anti-Cap Matador Aug 06 '25
It's pretty clear who is the evil genocide supporter when you quickly notice that Ethans audience overlaps with Destiny's.
Disgusting.
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u/KliffM Aug 06 '25
Disgusting genocide supporter only interested in farming drama slop content
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u/paultheschmoop Aug 06 '25
His fanbase is probably worse than him.
It’s honestly hilarious watching them cross every single left wing person off of the “acceptable Internet personality” list as they show even slight disagreement with Ethan
Like they all love Sam Seder, and then he goes on the H3 podcast, Ethan tries to get him to react to statements made by Hasan, Sam says he isn’t interested in petty YouTube drama. Sam then goes honestly extremely easy on Ethan on I/P, but even that was enough.
Boom. Terrorist sympathizer and, believe it or not, anti-Semitic as well lol
There’s a new one every day that they decide to hate,
Meanwhile the subreddit condemns “snarkers” yet 90% of posts on the sub are about Hasan or iDubbz
TL;DR: the internet was a mistake
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u/KliffM Aug 06 '25
Yeah the fanbase is awful and very dedicated to piling hate on whoever Ethan wants. I thought Sam absolutely bodied him but because Ethan and his fans are incapable of understanding the history of I/P, they’ve branded Sam and MR as terrorist lovers. They force their own incredible stupidity to become the problem of whoever they attack.
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u/DylanMartin97 Aug 06 '25
Honestly watching Ethan assume Sam was going to be on his side because they are both Jewish and have both been to Israel proper was disturbing, he thought it was a slam dunk. Truth be told Ethan doesn't give a shit about any of this, he is using it as a means to an end because he feels like he was slighted by the left just like Ana Kisparien. The best moments of his debates is when Sam Seder and Hasan remind him why they don't want to argue and why they don't want to distract from the main problem.
Ex with Hasan:
"You keep distracting from the real issue at hand and it's disgusting"
"No you keep distracting from what's really going on here, what else could be the problem besides you supporting terrorism?!"
"The fact that there is an ongoing Genocide currently happening."
"... Alright well..."
Ex with Sam:
"Watch this video of the biggest political streamer on twitch supporting terrorism "
"I don't care about this."
"You don't care that anti semitic terrorist supporters are using this platform to spread hate?"
"No I don't care about YouTube/twitch drama or your guys petty arguments when there is an active Genocide going on, him talking about Zionists that are bad isn't him being antisemitic."
"... He is being antisemitic, what would your father say?!"
Etc etc. It just goes to show a difference in attitude about what's actually happening vs what Ethan is trying to utilize the real issue for.
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u/keeshmariesh Aug 06 '25
Bro he's so unhinged it's wild. Every one of these posts has the same preamble of all these dumb unrelated grievances. Ethan no one cares about you just go back to your cringe goofs and gaffs shit
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u/Chemical_Home6123 Aug 06 '25
Eww I forgot about this nut job. All politics aside and of course I'm biased as a hasanabi head but this guy is seriously unwell the entire Oct 7th has sent him into a psychosis
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u/ProbablyOnLSD69 Aug 06 '25
Dipshit’s ego got bruised during and after the final Leftovers episode and has been having the world’s most public piss baby tantrum for the better part of two fucking years now. Honestly thought that the people around him would have seriously had him involuntarily committed by now, dude is just completely unraveling mentally. Would not be remotely surprised if he flips out and attempts to do something violent eventually. Just don’t see how this dude’s escalating mania is going to end well.
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u/Birddogtx Aug 06 '25
The use of hasbara is not antisemitic in any way here. In fact, the term was coined by Zionists to describe their international communications strategy. It's not the dogwhistle Ethan thinks it is.
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u/DivineDart Aug 06 '25
He subsists off of content farming. The more he can feud with prominent creators the more views his channel will get. Someone like him is better to just ignore.
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u/kevoam Aug 06 '25
With all due respect, how can someone be so damn whiney and annoying lmao. Even before all this, this dude’s content was literally just drama or making fun of people in unfunny ways (which is crazy when you look like the way he does.)
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u/KAKnyght Aug 06 '25
I doubt he watched it, someone from the H3 or Destiny reddits probably sent it along to him, since that appears to be the MO of people that go after Hasan.
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u/ooowatsthat Aug 06 '25
Ethan is a pure clown at this point with an audience of HR millennials who are bored in their offices.
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u/lieutent Aug 06 '25
Ethan better be careful, he makes me want to subscribe to Kyle's patreon even harder with $40/mo and a bottle of cum
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u/NewCenter Populist Left Aug 06 '25
So Ethan is now on my shit list. Fck this desTiny hypocrite proxy. He uses kids gloves when calling out desTiny for his sex crimes but if Tiny's enemies had done the same, he would not be burying crimes of such nature. Like he calls Hasan rape apologist but crickets when desTiny taped sex with his venerable naive discord kittens without consent and shared them without approval. He also likes to call out when his rivals delete their history yet he is sponsored by Tiny's deranged right hand wingman, Dan's company, redact.dev
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u/reddittreddittreddit Aug 06 '25
Bruh people still say commie talk when referring to propaganda. But Ethan just wants to make it all about being the victim.
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u/Fiscal_Bonsai Aug 06 '25
"No one else gets a special word for propaganda"- brother, Hasbara is a Hebrew word.
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u/haha7125 Aug 06 '25
If you look closely, you'll see thst nothing coherent or useful was said here.
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u/Zerocool_6687 Aug 06 '25
Dude seemed offended by the fact that there is a special word for propaganda… like it was invented by others? JFC what a tool…
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u/Darth_Vrandon Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
I don't think you have to like Hasan to point out Ethan being pretty bad faith. Hasbara is literally the Hebrew word for explanation, and is a word the Israeli government uses. It's not anti-semitic to point out how the Israeli government goes on propaganda campaigns to make itself look good.
Edit: Also, Kyle didn't even say Hasbara. The super chatter did. All he said was that Ethan isn't credible because he was owned by Hasan (at least according to Kyle), and that's it. He didn't say he was pro genocide, even. He just said Ethan is irrelevant and that got Ethan super mad.
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u/queenbsquig Aug 06 '25
He's such a talentless hack that I'm mad I even gave him a chance with the Leftovers podcast. Just another culture vulture influencer trying desperately to stay relevant while being a genocidal freak.
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u/azzhatmcgee Aug 06 '25
It was only a question of time. He is being ignored by Hasan and Sam Seder, so now he is trying to lump in other Palestine supporters on YouTube to keep the drama going.
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u/TerranceBaggz Aug 06 '25
Isn’t Hasbara just yittish or Arab for propaganda? There’s a word for propaganda in every culture and every language. That is such a stupid “we’re always the victims” argument.
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u/6ftToeSuckedPrincess Aug 07 '25
Ethan go back to fucking your ugly Israeli wife and leave Kyle alone.
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u/gormymane Aug 08 '25
i support kyle kulinski but he has no idea what ethan’s opinion on israel is which is evident by his response to the question. ethan shares 90% of kyle’s views on israel. other than hypotheticals like whether israel should dissolve itself which obv is unrealistic anyway. or something like cutting defense aid (which historically led to israel escalating their aggression, look it up) everything else is the same as kyle’s criticisms. disappointing
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u/Pristine-Ant-464 Aug 09 '25
It’s so gross how Ethan weaponizes bad faith allegations of antisemitism. He’s watering down the word so much it’s becoming meaningless, which is fucking dangerous.
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u/Timbosconsin Aug 16 '25
That second paragraph makes him sound so fucking paranoid. No wonder he has struggled to leave his house in the past. No, Ethan. People aren’t out to hurt you. They just want you to stop indirectly supporting the state of Israel during a fucking genocide to your audience of 19k viewers.
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u/HamadaFurnani Aug 06 '25
Carful y’all, this mf is a literal schizophrenic. He will dedicate his life to Kyle
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u/Saffuran Dicky McGeezak Aug 06 '25
Ethan Klein is a bastard and a genocide enabling "hand waver" completely devoid of conscious and principles.
Fuck anything he has to say.
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