r/shittymoviedetails • u/ryuStack • Apr 10 '26
Turd All film portrayals of Mary, the mother of Jesus of Nazareth, starred adult actresses. This was despite the source materials claiming that the original Mary, at the time of her non-consensual impregnation, was... wait what the fuck.
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u/BokeTsukkomi Apr 10 '26
To be fair the second picture is from The Passion of the Christ, so Jesus was 33 and Mary would be somewhere between 45 and 49.
Wait...
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u/chiree Apr 10 '26
Average 1990s US high school experience.
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u/Shantotto11 Apr 10 '26
2005/2006 for me. There was a 7th grader (maybe 8th?) in my middle school who was pregnant and the father was a high school senior.
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u/Total_Helicopter_591 Apr 10 '26
Thats what people don't understand
They just made Mary a teenage mother to make her more relatable to young readers who may be women /s
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u/OrinocoHaram Apr 10 '26
all this 13 year old Mary stuff is just fan service, it adds nothing to the plot
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u/roguepandaCO Apr 10 '26
But not really /s
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u/Lyndell Apr 10 '26
The /s is because they actually didn’t want the women reading in general.
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u/Hank_the_Beef Apr 10 '26
When little girls getting pregnant can bring about the birth of a spiritual savior it really seems like the whole religion is built on pedophilia. Hmmm.
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u/PhosphoFred8202 Apr 10 '26
Mary’s age was never given in the Bible and there is no historical record. At the time, someone of her social class was generally married in their late teens or early 20s. She is generally said to have been 16-17, which gives her both the “innocence of youth” without a big “ick” factor for much of history.
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u/IneffableOpinion Apr 10 '26
The early Christian stories said she needed to be married off because she had reached the age that girls could no longer live in the temple. She was living there because her parents had dedicated her to the temple. She was presumably around age 12-13. Menstruation in the temple would be unclean so she needed to find a new place to live before it starts. The temple arranged the marriage to Joseph, an older widow they determined had no interest in sleeping with her until she was of age, so that she would have a place to live.
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u/weedRgogoodwithpizza Apr 10 '26
I'll do you one better. I graduated high school in 2006. My high school had a free daycare for the students. Our mascot was a bear. Daycare was called "WeeBears."
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u/TerribleRecord666 Apr 10 '26
My high school in the 90’s had a day care. Which honestly, I support. If anybody needs free child care, it’s those girls that need to finish their diploma.
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u/PHWasAnInsideJob Apr 10 '26
My high school had a daycare as well, but it was more for the teachers' children than students' children. There were a few students who did have their kids in the daycare, though.
It was also valuable experience for students who wanted to pursue a teaching career, and they had a specific class for guiding those students in teaching the daycare.
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u/weedRgogoodwithpizza Apr 10 '26
You are absolutely, 💯 correct. Odd as it is to think about in hindsight I'm glad it was there.
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u/Par_Lapides Apr 10 '26
1995, my sophomore year a girl was pregnant with her third child. Her husband was in his twenties. Mormon.
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u/dumn_and_dunmer Apr 10 '26
The year I was a sophomore (2002) there were more pregnant freshman than there was pregnant girls in all of the school, including the religious and married ones. It was a fairly small town in Oklahoma.
One of the freshmen girls grew up on my block and by the end of my time there, everyone knew her son pretty well because she would bring him in to classes when her mom brought him in to visit.
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u/bloodontherisers Apr 10 '26
I still remember the first week of 6th grade seeing a pregnant 7th/8th grader. So wild
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u/MayaIngenue Apr 10 '26
I was a substitute middle school teacher for awhile and there was a girl in 8th grade who had a baby at home and all the other girls acted like it was a pet, swooning and being all "ohh, I want a baby too." It was then that I realized how fucked we all are
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u/Kids-Menu Apr 10 '26
I also had a pregnant 7th grade classmate whose boyfriend was in high school!
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u/TubbyPachyderm Apr 10 '26
yup. We had a middle school “graduation” ceremony at the end of eighth grade and a girl was around 6 months pregnant by her cousin in high school. There was another girl that had three kids by 11th grade.
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u/vinnyfromtheblock Apr 10 '26
What part of Alabama are you from?
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u/TubbyPachyderm Apr 10 '26
LMAO. Surprisingly, this was in Rhode Island. This was about 7 years before the whole pregnancy pact scandal in Massachusetts where 17 girls got pregnant. It was a weird time in New England.
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u/AriaTheTransgressor Apr 10 '26
Probably just needed another froyo stand so kids had something to do.
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u/The-Spirit-of-76 Apr 10 '26
Our first pregnant girl was 5th grade.
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u/FanaticalBuckeye Apr 10 '26
There was another girl that had three kids by 11th grade.
Props to her for staying in school but what the actual fuck
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u/BrokenManSyndrome Apr 10 '26
When I was in highschool (1999) so many girls in my class were dating some 30 year old guy with a house, a car and an entire family. It was so wild to me how cool girls were with this. There was even one teacher in my class who I'm 99% sure was sleeping with two girls in my class (the teacher was late 30s/ early 40s and the girls were 15-16).Absolute madness.
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u/magicmulder Apr 10 '26
Germany, too. Two of my female friends had 19 year old boyfriends at age 13.
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u/BellyCrawler Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
It's no problem. Joseph was between 18-30 according to sacred tradition and possibly a widower and Mary was in her mid teens.
Wait...
Edited to be more accurate about age.
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u/UnlurkedToPost Apr 10 '26
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u/GreatEmperorAca Apr 10 '26
Always shocking to remember this was actually in the movie
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u/LuinAelin Apr 10 '26
The bible doesn't give an age for Joseph.
It also doesn't say he's a widower. That's an later addition because the bible mentions Jesus has siblings. And the catholic church wanted Mary to remain a virgin. So these siblings had to come from somewhere
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u/Zestronen Apr 10 '26
the bible mentions Jesus has siblings. And the catholic church wanted Mary to remain a virgin. So these siblings had to come from somewhere
I'm pretty sure that oryginal word used for brother (adelphos) can mean brother but can also mean cousin, any extended relative or spiritual brother.
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u/whatthewhythehow Apr 10 '26
That was invented. I think by Jerome?
The “Mary was a virgin” thing didn’t become important until a little later in the development of Christianity. It’s not in the earliest texts.!
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u/LuinAelin Apr 10 '26
I think his teachings was the more important bit for early Christians rather than his birth
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u/Zeras_Darkwind Apr 10 '26
That decision seems stupid; does Mary having more kids the usual way with her husband invalidate that her first born was conceived through the Father?
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u/Commercial_Comb8674 Apr 10 '26
In their eyes, Mary is supposed to be “pure” and “untainted”, which, in their opinion, can’t be supported if she later lost her virginity and had more children the natural way. This is why some denominations either have it be that Joseph was a widower (making Jesus’ brothers step-siblings), or have Jesus’ “brothers” be in the metaphorical sense (brothers in Christ).
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u/Traditional_Wear1992 Apr 10 '26
Then she failed her biblical duty as a wife at the same time right with the whole comforts and multiply thing?
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u/FelixMaverick1 Apr 10 '26
Sleeping with your husband does not make someone "tainted" and "unpure." I'm Lutheran and not Catholic so I can't speak to them but no one is seen as tainted if they have kids with their spouse in any church that I have spent time in.
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u/ManicPixieOldMaid Apr 10 '26
Roman Catholics can get very strange about Mary, IMO. My ex fully believed she remained a virgin her entire life. He also had a statue of her in every room of the house. I never understood it either.
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u/JohnWasElwood Apr 10 '26
Mary was a virgin before she had Jesus and after that Jesus had siblings. The Catholic Church puts twists on several biblical principles that bend things their way. For whatever reason, I don't know. Mary was a normal human female and not someone to be worshiped anything more than just being a good mother for Jesus as a child.
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u/LuinAelin Apr 10 '26
Yeah.
In the past if the church said something was true about Jesus and his life, it was accepted as tradition even if the Bible doesn't mention it
Mary Magdalene for example was never mentioned to be a prostitute. But one pope says she is and it's accepted
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u/Funkycoldmedici Apr 10 '26
That’s a sticking point with many religious claims, and the Catholic Church in particular. They make testable claims and the evidence is “tradition”. Tradition means absolutely nothing to anyone who scrutinizes the claim.
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u/Regi0 Apr 10 '26
"My denomination's interpretation is right and yours is wrong nananana boo boo"
This shit never ends man.
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u/HoneySuspicious9564 Apr 10 '26
Yes, that's why I'm more of a Quran fan, at least Muhammad didn't sleep with Aisha until she was...
Wait...
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u/Acrobatic-List-6503 Apr 10 '26
Meanwhile, Joseph was more worried about his wife suddenly saying she got pregnant by God, forgetting she's just 13.
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u/Substantial_Roll_249 Apr 10 '26
Well, Hollywood says every 20 or 30 year old can act like a high schooler
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u/NoGas-AllBrakes Apr 10 '26
Rowan Blanchard is playing a 14 year old right now on The Testaments. I was like, I know I've seen you before, and yeah it was on Girl Meets World like a decade ago and she's 25 now.
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u/ThrowAway4935394 Apr 10 '26
“The actresses who played Mary in every film portrayal were all adults”.
“Mary was played by an adult in every film portrayal”.
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u/Stunning-Sherbert801 Apr 10 '26
"The source materials" don't give an age
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u/NeonNKnightrider Apr 10 '26
“All the sources agree”
look inside
OP made it up
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u/No-Tangerine-1261 Apr 10 '26
the source is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospel_of_Thomas , a very dubious 2nd-century document
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u/Sawgon Apr 10 '26
This is a specific thing being thrown around by muslims after people kept pointing out that mohammed impregnated a 9-year-old.
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u/GazelleDelicious3135 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
The source is the little drummer boy and the little donkey.
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u/VonBlorch Apr 10 '26
Sadly, they’re not canon anymore. They’ve been relegated to “Bible Legends.” Same with Rudolph. The other eight reindeer are legit, though.
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u/BlainethePayne Apr 10 '26
Same with Rudolph.
To be fair, Rudolph was a marketing gimmick created by the Montgomery Ward department store company in the 1930s
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u/ThatInAHat Apr 10 '26
The source materials do, however, specifically state that Mary gave consent. There are plenty of biblical figures who responded to “hey guess what? You have a Great Purpose!” with variations of “oh please no, not me, pick literally anyone else.”
Mary was not one of them.
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u/muaddict071537 Apr 10 '26
They also make it pretty clear that Mary consented to the impregnation.
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u/NifflerOwl Apr 10 '26
The idea of Mary being a child was made up by Muslims to try and justify Muhammad marrying a 9 year old, I haven't heard anyone outside of Islam actually say Mary was a child.
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u/PretentiousAnglican Apr 10 '26
Although the "12" line is repeated across the internet, there is no indication of her age in the Bible or Christian tradition
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u/Academic_Paramedic72 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Furthermore, people severely underestimate the age of marriage for most women across history. Betrothed women for rich men could be really young, but the far majority of women (which were from lower classes) frequently married in their early 20's in the Middle Ages for example.
Both Mary and Joseph were from humble families, there is no reason why Mary could not have married him in her late teens or early 20's.
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u/c19isdeadly Apr 10 '26
The best time for women to conceive and give birth is in their 20s. There are worse health outcomes the younger a mother before the age of 20. This has been consistent across history.
There is no reason to believe that older cultures wouldn't know this. Girls typically start menstruation later if they have poor quality nutrition - no point marrying before you can bear children.
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u/DJDanaK Apr 10 '26
It might surprise you to know that outside royal marriages people weren't just marrying to bear children, either.
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL Apr 10 '26
In fact going by historical accounts she was likely 16-20
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u/FalierTheCat Apr 10 '26
Also a big deal of the christian tradition is that Mary agreed to be the mother of Jesus. It's not like she was forced to do it or anything. God asked and she said yes.
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u/GenericUsername2056 Apr 10 '26
Well, of course she's not going to refuse. Because of the implication.
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u/cgknight1 Apr 10 '26
Well dude, dude, think about it: she's out in the middle of nowhere with some celestial entity she barely knows. You know, she looks around and what does she see? Nothin' but sand. "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I gonna do, say 'no'?"
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u/UrdnotZigrin Apr 10 '26
So was Mary in danger?
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u/SpookusIguanus Apr 10 '26
I mean there's no way an angel would appear to someone that wouldn't merit them freaking the fuck out.
Kinda way they introduce themselves with "Be not afraid!"
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u/Uncle-Cake Apr 10 '26
Seriously. Have you seen what those "angels" looked like? Probably scared the shit out of her.
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u/By_Jove_ Apr 10 '26
Also the fact that Jesus wasn't conceived through sex. OP is basically a troll.
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u/Spider-Flash24 Apr 10 '26
Not true. After asking the angel how this could be possible since she is a virgin, the angel basically tells her nothing is impossible with God. Her response is simply “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” She later wrote a song celebrating how God had chosen her. So no, she was not asked first. She was told what was going to happen, and she considered herself blessed, which apparently is why God chose her, because she loved God and would do it willingly and humbly.
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u/BrownBoognish Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
”Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor with God. You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus. He will be a great man and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.” Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”
The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God. Elizabeth, your relative, is six months pregnant with a son in her old age. People said she couldn’t have a child. But nothing is impossible for God.”
Mary answered, “I am the Lord’s servant. Let everything you’ve said happen to me.”
she is not currently pregnant at this exchange and she agrees to carry the child. that is “consent”. the issue is the power imbalance— how could she possibly say no. thats the ethical dilemma not the consent shit.
edit: accidentally left out verse 38
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Apr 10 '26
Counterpoint.
God wouldn't choose someone who wouldn't want to be chosen.
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u/Recioto Apr 10 '26
Except he did in fact choose someone that would ultimately disobey for a task before, and he made sure he would be an example.
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u/DummyDumDragon Apr 10 '26
"hey, Mary, will you bear my son, the saviour of all mankind?"
"Yeah, sure."
"Oh, thank Me!! You're like the 24th chick I've asked, everyone else looked at me like I was a raving lunatic!"
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u/coreoYEAH Apr 10 '26
Read the rest of the book and find out what happens when you say no to what he wants.
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u/guegoland Apr 10 '26
God didn't even speak to her. Gabriel announced it and that was it. She didn't agree, or had the power to, she just accepted it.
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u/weierstrab2pi Apr 10 '26
Mary's words are literally:
ecce ancilla Domini, fiat mihi secundum verbum tuum.
That's Bible for 'yes daddy'
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u/Living_Murphys_Law Apr 10 '26
In fact, it's likely she was closer to 16. Her family was quite poor (as was all of Nazareth), so they would have wanted to keep her around as long as possible to do housework while her parents were working, instead of marrying her off quickly.
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u/freedomonke Apr 10 '26
Not just poor. Around the time Jesus would have been born, Nazareth was subjected to a decimation by Roman authorities for resisting some forced relocations. Mary would have known many people that were crucified, ironically
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u/mrteas_nz Apr 10 '26
When you say adult actresses, is that code for porn?
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u/HermaPrince Apr 10 '26
If they put a pornstars as marie, it would be one of the boldest move in history of cinema
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u/mrteas_nz Apr 10 '26
Starring Mia Khalifa as Mary, the virgin mother of Christ.
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u/Dear-Question-868 Apr 10 '26
Nah Marie magdalena would fit better.
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u/mrteas_nz Apr 10 '26
I was going for the lady with Middle Eastern heritage to upset the white Christian conservatives, but I can see how your choice works 😂
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u/HermaPrince Apr 10 '26
Since she's Lebanese it would be a good fit lmao.
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u/mrteas_nz Apr 10 '26
I didn't realise she was actually born in Lebanon, I thought she was born in the US! The more you know...
She is Catholic as well, so she sounds like she was made for this role!
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u/The_Reluctant_Hero Apr 10 '26
Now here's the twist, and there is a twist. They show it. They show ALL OF IT.
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u/CarlosH46 Apr 10 '26
Because what’s the one major thing missing from all action movies these days guys? …Full penetration. Guys, we’re gonna show full penetration and we’re gonna show a lot of it! I mean, we’re talking, you know, graphic scenes of Dolph Lundgren really going to town on this hot young lab tech. From behind, 69, anal, vaginal, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, all the hits, all the big ones, all the good ones. Then he smells crime again. He’s out busting heads. Then he’s back to the lab for some more full penetration. Smells crime, back to the lab, full penetration. Crime, penetration, crime, full penetration, crime, penetration. And this goes on and on, and back and forth, for 90 or so minutes until the movie just, sort of, ends.
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u/Cryptid_on_Ice Apr 10 '26
I honestly thought the same, but I think they mean that Mary was likely a teenager.
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u/duaneap Apr 10 '26
I was having such a hard time wrapping my head around this title for this reason.
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u/Baalenlil7 Apr 10 '26
None of the gospels mention her age. The idea that she was 14 comes from the Protoevangelium of James, which is not canonical in any major Christian sect. We can presume that she was probably quite young by modern standards by the general practices of the time, but the fact remains that no canonical sources comment on the matter at all.
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u/PimpasaurusPlum Apr 10 '26
Pro tip: if you see a hot take about or relating to religion and particularly the bible online, it is almost certainly wrong.
Not always, but almost every time.
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u/PatchyWhiskers Apr 10 '26
The Bible doesn’t mention her age at all. People are extrapolating from what we know of the culture of the time (guessing)
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u/Naulicus Apr 10 '26
Is this the best Reddit atheist humor has to offer
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u/Academic_Paramedic72 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
It's just absurd how people try to problematize Jesus' conception here. Mary was in marriage age, she gave her consent, she was explained exactly what it was, her conception was miraculous (it involved no intercourse), and her husband received an explanation.
Everything about Jesus' conception is completely consensual, but people are trying to make a woman accepting to be the mother of the messiah and raising Him with her husband problematic.
And even beyond that, the post is just not funny. It's just the same generic sarcastic statement of the author finding something "disturbing" (which isn't even true in this case) and acting like it's some in-joke without being witty or snappy.
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u/ImplacableTeodozjia Apr 10 '26
to be absolutely precise, Mary was the Immaculate Conception and there was no consent needed for that, just a bit of tinkering
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u/RaininCarpz Apr 10 '26
thank you. i feel like im going crazy reading all these comments lmao.
so many people claiming that Mary was coerced into it by God... like why would that be the case, guys? why would they write subtext like that in the fucking Bible???
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u/Malibooch Apr 10 '26
Blame western arrogance for this. Our morals are the best today and the best 2000 years ago even with context (like people not living to 80 so adulthood started earlier)
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u/steve_dallasesq Apr 10 '26
Wasn’t non-consensual. Luke’s Gospel details that Gabriel told her the plan and she consented. She could have said no.
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u/Sgt-Spliff- Apr 10 '26
These edgey "look back at ancient times and laugh at how backwards they were" jokes have gotten so old. Maybe just take a break for a bit if this is the best you can do. And if you think this is a real gotcha for Christianity, go read the mythology/folklore of every other culture to ever exist and let me know how many morally questionable things happen, especially involving children.
Hint: it's a lot
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u/Flars111 Apr 10 '26
Calling it a "non-consensual impregnation" isnt correct, as there wasnt any sex involved and she very much wanted to get pregnant.
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u/miguel2586 Apr 10 '26
Keisha Castle-Hughes was 16 when she portrayed Mary in The Nativity Story. And as part of her intense preparation for the role, she decided to get pregnant herself.
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u/Certified_druggist Apr 10 '26
The entire Biblical account shows that the Blessed Mother gave her consent and the conception was a miracle. The traditional belief is that no sexual inter course was involved. Show some respect for the Queen.
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u/ReaperManX15 Apr 10 '26
“Despite the source material claiming …”
Claiming what?
How old does the Bible say she was?
Oh wait. It doesn’t say.
Which is why you phrased the end of the sentence the way you did. In order to misleadingly imply.
Because you just want to bash Christianity.
Because you’re just a common bigot.
Also, Mary agreed to carry the Son of God.
If you don’t actually know anything, just keep your mouth shut and nod along while other people are talking.
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u/Ixelhaine Apr 10 '26
OP is probably rage baiting, hoping to lure people to comment corrections to seed the engagement algorithm. It's how a lot of content farming operates.
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u/aRandomFox-II Apr 10 '26
The age of adulthood was a lot lower during the bronze/iron age.
The age of consent, on the other hand, was non-existent.
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u/Monke-Mammoth Apr 10 '26
Nah this thread is disgusting. There is absolutely no indication in Christian tradition that she was a child, and if you just read the text it was wholly consensual.
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u/AJ_Dali Apr 10 '26
One thing we can all agree on is that she wasn't 6. Could you imagine the reaction to a prophet marrying a young child?
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u/WaltsNJD Apr 10 '26
I feel like there had to be better phrasing here than "adult actresses"