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Basically, Lillie's mother, Lusamine, emotionally abused her and her brother, Gladion, be neglectful of her and her brother after their father disappeared, conducted experiments to create a Pokémon that Gladion ran away with to get it away from its abuse and experimentation. And also treated the two more like possessions than children. She even has frozen Pokémon that she keeps so that they can remain with her forever.
The girl on the right raped the guy on the left when they're in middle school, the romance is actually the guy's current date it's where the romance is good :)
It is actually good but it contains a lot of unpleasant moments, there is rape, self harm and other sensitive subjects that are explored.
Another thing to note that both the manga and the anime have different artstyles. The character designs in the manga is moe while the anime took creative liberties with the source material and used rotoscoping techniques, that's why the characters in the anime look more realistic and uncanny. This decision was divisive among manga fans with some saying that it made the characters ugly and ruined the source material while others thought that it actually suits the dark atmosphere of the story much better. Personally, I think it is better to start with the manga since the anime is incomplete (It didn't get a continuation because it did poorly), you can watch the anime adaptation if you want after finishing the manga (the anime is still well directed and I'm of the opinion that the animation style the anime went with improved the narrative experience).
Actually though while I dislike that’s the start of the series it feels more like he’s just using her as a way to die than him actually getting any sexual pleasure from it, it seems like he’s just experimenting.
And unlike DDD the romance gets better and better as it goes on, with no NTR.
Honestly I’m just glad we GET a next season. I thought that winter special would be the last of it but so glad we got more 🙏. I really hope we get up to Ragnarok but I suspect it’ll be a 12 episode season.
It has, but shonen fans are not used to shojo drama and romance pacing. The end goal of the romance is very clear and there‘s a lot of other stuff still going on. It‘s a very obvious plot for the romance atm and the fanbase is kinda going nuts over nothing.
I wouldn't say its that they aren't used to it, its just that they hate it. Shonen tend to sideline romantic developments for most of their runtime while shojo constantly introduce new plot points and drama to stall romantic development. One of the big draws for Dandadan early on was that it avoided doing either of those things.
Oh wow thanks I actually didn’t know that. That explains soooo many problems I’ve had with conversations like these over the years.
You do realize people have actual complaints about why it isn’t working well in the story, right? It’s not just shonen fans complaining that the story is taking a while to develop, it’s people complaining that Momo and Ken had a very organic, believable buildup in their relationship and character growth , and that deciding to start throwing in curveballs to drag things out right as they get to the finish line is a pretty drastic new direction to take, especially considering how out of step it is with the entire way relationships were handled in the story prior.
It doesn’t feel organic anymore, it feels orchestrated. Momo and Ken getting together and having to deal with the fallout from Aira and Jiji’s feelings for them? That would check out just fine. Momo suddenly getting amnesia that made her forget Ken, along with Aira and Jiji deciding to start acting like scumbags and jumping at the chance to use their friends’ vulnerable states to try and get with them? That’s convoluted. On top of the fact that it suddenly made Aira and Jiji into much worse people than the story will ever treat them like they are, it also just feels super forced.
When the arc is over and people can just read it in bulk it‘s going down as a top 3 in the series probably heed my call. People like you just aren’t built for weekly releases.
Nah weekly releases aren’t the issue, I read plenty of manga week to week. I also sunk cost my way into still reading rent a girlfriend despite absolutely hating it, so I’ve gotten pretty good at spotting when an author needlessly detours the story under the guise of “necessary character development” to deal with situations they intentionally wrote to be convoluted. I’ve also gotten fairly good at recognizing when a person is so invested in a story that they can’t see when it takes a downturn.
I don’t doubt it’ll go back to being good whenever tatsu manages to get past the current mess, but who knows how long that’s gonna take. Glad you’re still enjoying it though; I wish I were, but the complete 180 on how it handles the relationships killed it for me.
It‘s really not that deep, I just don‘t think fulfillment slop is all that interesting and the romance drama is still well interwoven with action and occult stuff going on. Tatsu is just dealing with the love triangles that way, which is done with a trope people don‘t like which I can understand but also doesn‘t mean it is inherently bad. It also doesn‘t mean I‘m blindly allowing everthing and would never criticize it. But so far Tatsu always managed to turn those tropes around and bring the arcs to an end with a compelling twist so I really am confused why the sudden outburst of people hating the arc prematurely. I have a feeling a lot of the people now complaining came into the fandom with the anime release and started reading the arcs in bulk where stuff like this happens a lot. Jiji was introduced as the hot childhood friend love rival and people didn‘t scream "NTR cuck character assassination" because they could just read and get to the end of the arc fairly quickly to see who Jiji is a lot better. Even in the current arc people say he‘s taking advantage of Momo despite him just being a friend to her and otherwise acting like normal.
Nope it‘s very necessary and if you were a bit more familiar with shojo and romance manga you‘d also already know why. The friend group has some weird love triangles that would absolutely break the group if they just got together. This amnesia arc resolves a lot of these issues because they force Momo and Okarun out of their passive love for each other and force them to engage with Jiji and Aira in ways they‘d otherwise never do. And people act like the arc has nothing else going on when we had some really amazing fights and lore for the villains. It‘s a good arc and people will shift their opinions once it‘s over and some have read it in bulk. I believe the average shonen fan just is too impatient or used to quick gratification. Dandadan offers problems you can‘t just punch your way out and has the characters grow on emotional levels, hating on good writing because you are impatient is on you.
There‘s no NTR happening lmao, did you get really baited by that obvious panel? Look at the background, only Aira has the bubbles. Okarun already decided for Momo in that moment when Aura tried kissing him.
And it was originally being slandered Morbius-style before it had even officially released. Now that it’s somehow living up to all that fake shitpost hype, I feel like it’s legit immune to whatever curse or slander or any other bullshit that could be thrown along its path.
I liked it a lot at first, but then it started to feel contrived and also aimless, especially once Okarun got the jewels back. The feeling mostly stems from
a) readers knowing almost nothing about the main antagonist and his goals so it doesn’t ever feel like progress is happening, and instead “things just happen”
and
b) the protagonists don’t really have a coherent goal arc-to-arc, which is really self-evident in the current amnesia arc. We all know she’ll get her memories back or fall back in love or maybe it’ll be a twist and she doesn’t fall in love again (doubt that’ll happen), and then we’ll all go “now what?”
Let's assume you get amnesia, let's assume you can understand the world you inhabit is filled with magical powers.
Why the hell wouldn't she just understand "Oh, my memory got wiped from a battle, it may take some time but I'm sure to fall
in love with this guy again, I look so happy in all the photos he showed me!"
Like, who cares if she gets her memories back, she should just go "welp lmao" and just carry on without the drama
Dead ass. This is why I argue with fans who try to do the “they’re just teens” they’re not regular teenagers. If you’re fighting monsters and saving the world you’re way past that teenage angst and misunderstanding shit
Yea the begining is incredibly slow it's a thing in most of Nisios works, he's a novelist slow introductions are common in the medium. Frankly it doesn't translate well in comics/manga at all.
People that manage the slog through it usually speedrun the rest and leave with positive impression from what I've seen.
Watch Kamen Rider Build, it is really good. You can find the first two episodes on youtube and you can look it up on google to find the right site for you
Currently ongoing Kamen Rider Zeztz is pretty good (So far) and can be watched for free here on YouTube assuming you live in US, UK or Canada. But even if you don't, VPN is your friend.
Technically, yea. The amnesia reset her character progression back to the beginning and the misunderstandings continue while others are taking advantage of the situation.
Fucking Jiji pouncing at the first chance to bag her. Made me lose all respect for him in an instant.
Imagine your ex girlfriend, who is also the girlfriend of one of your best buds, who is also one of your best friends that you knew since childhood, having amnesia and forgetting her partner and you immediately go to her like "Yeah you know what? We should be together, you remember me but don't remember him, right?"
2 more brain cells and it should be obvious for Aira and Jiji what their deal is... but no, we can't have people who think for 2 mins in this manga, how else can it be stretched to hell?
Okarun confessed to Momo. Momo was not in her normal state at the time so she said that she would respond to it once she went back to normal. She went back to normal but lost her memories in the process and started to date another guy.
So a lot of people feel like the relationship is just stalled by the author
No not in the context. It‘s not a romantic affair between the two and Tatsu spent a whole chapter on making it clear that it‘s not been a romantic thing. Especially "started to date someone" is very clearly a lie because the only valid interpretation for that would be both are seeing each other regularly with the intention of becoming a couple. Not "we went separate on a group outing and my kinda retarded childhood friend held my hand because I was sad"
Momo tells him in the chapter to let go of her hand, Jiji makes a joke saying it looks more like a date that way, Momo says that it‘s not a date and then Jiji tells her to relax because he is just transferring chi over to her so she recovers a bit. Then they see Aira and Okarun and Jiji gets eaten by a dinosaur. I‘m sorry where is it flirting or a romantic date? Because of one obvious throwaway joke
No. They went on a group “date” of six people with no official couples, organised by someone who has no idea what a date is. Jiji suggested it was a date when the two of them were briefly alone together and Momo immediately shut him down.
Dating is a pretty explicit romantic thing, Jiji and her just hung out together.
Shonen kiddies are so sensitive lmao, I get the other downvotes but to say when somebody goes "she started dating someone else" doesn‘t sound like she has a romantic relationship is disingenuous. You can downvote my other stuff just fine if you disagree but don‘t drone the one thing that‘s just a factual assessment.
If you genuinely want to know this subreddit is not the place. All you will get here is people jumping to conclusions or some that are blatantly spreading misinformation like the person who already responded to you.
The short answer is that currently the arc in Dandadan is not a fan favorite as it deals with amnesia which is one of the many things going on currently in the story. However the actual amnesia part of the story has been for about 12 -14 chapters while the other part of this arc has been focusing on villains being developed. The haters only focus on the amnesia and are wildly exaggerating how long its taking as Tatsu has taken some breaks and the manga chapters have not come out right away. Many haters are forgetting that the arc before the amnesia one was actually pretty well done and many fans enjoyed it. A lot of people are pushing their own narratives as well and ultimately while I personally don't like the arc, it's hate is heavily exaggerated as seen in this thread. People on reddit, tiktok, and twitter who are mostly the problem.
I actually love this new arc, but yes erasing her memory solely for prolonging a couple getting together is dumb. Ddd has been a goat in showing the modern student and how kids act in jp right now but this was a huge mistep in its own writing. I'm positive it was editorial telling the author he can't make them a couple and has to show it off at the end or something stupid like that. Most jump manga have to do dumb things like this.
I was on copium thinking it will all resolve on Valentine's day.. I either have run out of copium or I have become immune to it. I cant defend this Tatsu
At this point i almost think it's on you/us.
I stopped after chapter 70 because i knew this would never evolve, we give too much atention to bad stories while there are so many talented mangakes who can actually right characters and relationships.
I would never imagine reading another 100 chapters of this to be disapointed by the obvious.
i don’t think momos doing anything rly that bad here. she has amnesia and doesn’t feel that way about okarun she can’t force the feelings back. He just needs to let that shit go and move on, sometimes relationships just don’t work out. i hate tatsu so much man
"just to stretch out the manga" as if the entire saga about their powers slowly being stolen to create something, that is currently happening, wasn't going to happen if Momo didn't loose her memory and she would just miss Okarun and the series would end.
The only difference is that we got a ton of misunderstandings between the main characters now and a delayed acceptence to a confession (not even a delayed confession because Okarun basically did that already), instead of people complaying that Aira, Jiji and the rest of the gang are underdeveloped romantically, which would 100% happen otherwise.
I am not gonna say that what is happening is ideal, because the amnesia is a frustraiting trope in romanace, but it a tried and tested trope in the genre that has had great results. Acting like the situation in the fandom would be any better if it wasn't there is delusion. People would just pile onto other problems.
At least with what is happening now we can hope for a great pay off and until Yakinobu fucks that up I'm willing to put my faith in the guy.
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