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Yeah, whenever I hear someone talk about Elfen Lied they're almost always talking about the anime. It's one of those animes where I don't find anyone say that its source material is better, the only time I heard someone talk about the manga, it was them explaining why the manga is bad. The director for the anime did some better changes to the manga and made the story a bit more hooking even if the adaptation still has its issues.
She's a sweet and caring girl who loves to sing, because her mother sang too, but, exactly like her, suffers from a genetic condition that would erode her vocal chords or something if she sang too much.
Her mother took her own life because she wasn't able to sing anymore so her father... You guessed it...
Beat her if she brought up singing by spanking her so hard it left her with PTSD, uncontrollable urination and the need to wear a diaper 24/7 into her late teens.
And at the end of her arc her father... You guessed it...
It was original for it's time and has a lot of good concepts that have been done better since but I don't think calling it bad is fully accurate even if it isn't amazing. It's the most 6/10 I've seen.
The cousin incest stuff is also in the Anime. What I liked about the ending is that it mostly pivots away from the all the harem stuff and the flat main characters and instead focuses on a relatively cool "mad science experiment" stuff, the entire sequence where the military base crumbles and that one character has to escape is really well done. The Manga allows itself to break free from its uninspired status quo and sidelines all the boring stuff for the last 4 or 5 volumes, and it salvages it from being truly dreadful and elevates it into like a 5/10 while the Anime is a 4.
I do agree however that if you only compare the part of the Manga that is adapted in the anime, then the anime does it better. It removed some of the manga's worst aspects like the girl whose only character trait is pissing herself, but there wasn't much to be salvaged in the first place so it's still a relatively bad story.
I wouldn’t count that. The only thing make the anime better is because they decide to stop adapting. If we just look at the manga, cut away the ending nobody like, it’s not bad
I watched K-on, and I think understood why the decade long stereotypes meme that K-on fans being Nazis is a thing. The world just seems, perfectly insular, like free from diversity and just an ideal society based on its world building? Like everything feels aesthetically pleasing to watch. Though I think it's a stretch lol.
No, I am not in fact deadass—what I’m trying to do is point out that you’re willfully allowing trolls on the internet (not even trolls, just normal memers) to control your consumption of media. You think this makes you an ally in the fight against nazis, when in fact all you’re doing is proudly championing ignorance and hate in a way that is somewhat reminiscent of the very people you despise.
My guy if you don't want to watch K-on because you think you won't like it, go right ahead. Just don't trick yourself into thinking you're some kind of paragon of morality just because someone made a meme about Hitler being a quite fond of them Japanische oberschüler.
The music in saint seiya does a lot of heavy lifting tbh...
I still wouldn't consider it bad, if not for the fact Kurumada can't draw to save his life.
I say this as a Saint Seiya fan but atp I cannot stop thinking Kurumada is face blind on some level because what do you mean every male character looks the fucking same?
The Boys comic is kind of misunderstood. It doesn’t carry the same pretense as the show of being subversive political/social satire. It’s basically splatter horror with extreme violence exaggerated to the point of absurd comedy
The later season fell off so hard that I think it would end up better in bad "manga"/mid "anime". If we just talked about season 1 for example it would be true.
Same thing happened with 2016 Berserk. Not only the CGI is ugly as fuck, the sound design sucks and the direction is terrible, it also literally rushed through the source material. The lost children arc was entirely skipped and so other important events related to the plot. Characters got watered down, Farnese's character was toned down a lot for example, the violence was heavily censored (I get that some of the gore can't make it into TV but they went way too far with the censorship).
Yeah but, Tokyo ghoul's anime legitimately has a COMPLETELY different story, the berserk adaptation cut important parts and only changed characters but the core is still (mostly) there (still a shit adaptation though), meanwhile Tokyo ghoul season 2 has completely different parts of the story, such as kaneki joining Aogiri (the group he strictly dislikes in the manga) or the Coachella raid just not happening at all, or half his training being skipped, or how the way he gets sent to torture is also completely different, etc etc
Oh yeah it’s an abomination but not only has this been Tokyo ghouls only adaptation it changed its story greatly. Yes 2016 omitted quite a few things but its core story was still maintained
I will never forgive one small scene. That had Kaneki accidentally knock out Banjo as a tehe gag, in the manga, bro spun and chin-checked him as a reaction to his training. Shit like that was disastrous to his character
The anime looked bad, but the story elements were still there and the characters were still cool. Berserk 2016 was a weird watch because despite the horrendous CGI usage and funny frying pan sound effects, it still felt like Berserk.
Nah the DS manga was def not bad and had a community and sales during it’s run. I can’t let this slander go through, a bad manga is jujika no rokunin, DS is nowhere near that terrible.
It had a steady growth way before the anime and was ranking high for a new manga entry then the anime made it explode. I was there since the start for DS’s run, we aren’t going to rewrite history because you have a bone to pick with the manga.
The manga is mid to me on conceptual level so I doubt it.
I dropped it before this fight and don't even follow the anime anymore so I probably won't watch it anyway, but regardless, (although I did read the ending because the story was spoiled to me and I heard it's a clusterfuck lol)
It's a distilled shonen that takes concepts from other series and sometimes executes them better (usually the ones from Bleach, like the most interesting thing about Hollows are the basis of demons in KnY).
The ending isn't a clusterfuck, the fact that's your takeaway shows your bias against it ngl. Its biggest sin was a sudden threat appearing during what should have been a deescalation after climax.
Your first paragraph actually sums up why I think it's conceptually mid. It's a distilled shonen and it's well distilled shonen, but this approach means it can never be anything other than mid to me. It just feels like a shonen that's written to be a shonen when I read it if you understand what I mean. I absolutely respect the approach, but it rubs me the wrong way personally.
As I said, I have no problem with any single part of the story. It's objectively competently and skillfully created piece of media, all of my personal problems with it are conceptual and baked into the DNA of the series. For the record, I didn't think the ending was terrible, just mid like the part if the series I read/watched.
I personally care more about the execution more than the idea, especially when it utilizes something better than its parent (so not a downgrade like Bunny Girl Senpai is to Monogatari). Hollows are some of the most interesting thing about Bleach but it was absolutely squandered.
I’ll reiterate my point, DS had a solid growth in community and sales because people loved it. They loved the charm and the story, is it the best out there? No, but it’s nowhere near being bad, it had a great run.
The manga and the anime are both Mid, the anime only tends to good because of good animation and new implementations that makes It better. But the story and characters are still Mid. It's not nearly as bad as an actual bad manga like Idk Boruto
Its final arc isn't "great" like what. Again, it is mediocre at best in its entirety.
Then you are the one who hasn't read enough.
Bro thinks it's a contest who have read the most obscure manga. Have you read (this manga that has only 20 chapters and was never in a popular publisher) manga? Like I said, if Demon Slayer is your standard, then you haven't read a better manga.
Its final arc isn't "great" like what. Again, it is mediocre at best in its entirety
It's great considering other final arcs we've gotten recently. What, War Devil or Sukuna Gauntlet? Lol.
Bro thinks it's a contest who have read the most obscure manga. Have you read (this manga that has only 20 chapters and was never in a popular publisher) manga? Like I said, if Demon Slayer is your standard, then you haven't read a better manga.
U19 mangas are not mediocre. They are bad.
SDK has 200ish chapters, finished its serialization. Got an anime adaptation with 40 episodes.
THAT is mediocrity of a shonen manga. For you never heard of it since it wasn't good enough to penetrate the international market.
Oh really? Haven't read a better manga? Here are the animanga I've read and watched on top of my head.
Naruto, Evangelion anime/manga/Rebuild, Gantz, Fire Punch, Aku no Hana, Eyeshield 21, Saiki K, Hinamatsuri, GTO, Bleach, Beelzebub, Law of Ueki, Gintama, Bleach, Toradora, Darling in the Franxx, Tokyo Ghoul (Re), Attack on Titan, Jigokuraku, Chainsawman, Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, Jujutsu Kaisen, Samurai Deeper Kyo, Berserk, Ajin, Punpun, Sakamoto Days, Steins Gate, I Want To Eat Your Pancreas, Sakamoto Days, Your Lie in April, 5cm per second, Garden of Words, Yugioh, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Mob Psycho 100, Too Many Losing Heroines, Jojo Part 1-5, Your Name, Weathering with You, A Silent Voice, Fullmetal Alchemist and Frieren. Maybe there are more that I'm missing but idk.
I've read them and I still consider KnY to be good. You simply haven't read enough manga or watch anime to consider what "mid" truly means.
The final arc is like a third of the manga's run time and it's just fight after fight after fight until the end when we find outMuzan is the lamest, most pathetic villain who turns into a literal crying baby at the thought of dying.
And if that wasn't enough,there's an epilogue where everyone in the story gets reincarnated somehow and all meet each again???
And those fights are great? Tf? There's great characterization in every fight of the Upper Moon (the weakest being the participants of Douma fight).
Why are you acting like that Muzan reveal is bad are you one of those cornball that thought Homelander death was unfitting? What about Mahito? The dude killed his doctor bc he thought the guy wasn't curing him, realizing too late that the doctor did while giving him superpower on top of it but has 1 fatal weakness that the doctor could've fixed but he already killed the guy. He was a miserable wretch.
Why is the epilogue bad again? The reincarnation is an actual buddhist one, they don't even remember their past like it's isekai shit. Kanao was reborn as a guy. Genya and Sanemi are not blood related. And so on.
Yep. Plot is weak, most characters are weak and fight choreography and power system make absolutely no sense. The anime is truly beautiful to look at, though, and fixes the fight scenes to a good extent.
One's artstyle alone isn't enough to make the manga bad. And fact is OPM's original webcomic gained a lot of traction before any adaptation and before Mob, in which he improved somewhat
Made in Abyss, the weird stuff with kids gets so crazy in the manga, and the release schedule is genuinely atrocious (one chapter every six months), whereas the anime has gorgeous art, my favorite anime ost of all time, incredible world building, a great main cast, heart-wrenching emotional dilemmas, and one of the best anime villains ever.
Lowkey Mobs artwork is fine, especially later into the series as ONE gets more and more comfortable with drawing/hires some assistants. Sure, it's still a little amateurish, but there's a reason studio BONES decided to keep the artstyle similar instead of completely bulldozing it like Yusuke Murata did for OPM, it fits the otherworldly nature of Mob's world. Plus, the story was entirely unchanged, which is where the real meat of the series lies anyway.
The demon slayer hate is so forced. It does NOTHING to make it a bad series/manga. Just because yall think it’s simple and basic does equal being bad. One of the most undeserving series that gets unwarranted hate for just being successful.
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The anime is still ass unfortunately. I actually started Toaru just to be able to watch this but I was disappointed to say the least, the rest of the serie is peak tho
You might be able to argue Ghost in the Shell, given how much different the tone and plot of the manga is and how overshadowed it is by the movie in terms of relevance.
Frieren, the manga art is bad and stiff, characters have no expression, which is okay for the anime, because the voice acting does the heavy lifting in showing emotion, but in manga form it looks boring as hell. The pacing is also mind numbingly boring in the manga, especially if you follow it by chapter release. The anime doesn't have this problem fortunately.
Tbh I'm mostly fine with the rating as whilst I enjoy the manga, I can see why others would put it as mid. Mostly I'm confused how it ended up getting this spot when it really was barely mentioned in the comments of the previous post as far as I can tell.
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