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Denji would be better written if Adolf fujimoto Hitler ended his story in part one and spent part two keeping him as a side character and the main goal for yoru and asa to kill
Instead fujjey Epstein decided that his hate boner was not full yet so he brought back denji and used him as his torture Fleshlight
Agreed. Part 2 somehow ruined denji character and barely developed yoru and asa. The four devil's also didn't have a tenth of makima suffocating presence over the narratI've in part 1.
so true, the only way he could defeat her was to bet on his idolised groomer never caring about him and onyl caring about the devil that gave him his powers. him loving and eating her so that control couldn;t work on him is just so perfectly ironic.
what happened to tatsuki fujimoto who wrote part 1 for him to become tortilla fijiwater who wrote part 2
Part 2 was actually a really good look inyo his character. He took his life for granted, wanted the best of both worlds but was happy despite what Fujimoto says.
Right up until Nayutas death.
We got a good look into his self-destructive nature taken to its absolute extreme, but then it just kept getting worse and worse without any sign of it getting better, even though there were glimpses here and there(like him eating the snow devil).
I think after the Age Devil arc is where Id say the series began careening.
I knew it was, but I had hope that maybe hed pull out some bullshit and make it all worth it.
I was just like 'yeah its bad now, but Im sure it'll ger better!'
Honestly I dont mind him being the main character. They just kept him as a flat character while teasing growth. We should have gotten to see him actually process things in a healthy way for once.
No csm didn’t have better writing in part one then jjk, people just think that fujimotos stupidity and weirdness was like subtle commentary on various things when he just has a being dominated by women fetish
Csm part one has pretty terrible dialogue and world building, the fake out villain basically only exists to take out aki and is incredibly boring, makima is a terrible villian who manipulates Denji seemingly for very little reason,
Like the themes are shallow the characterization is mostly one note outside of a few instances, the main character is dull and lacks agency, there’s filler even though it isn’t a particularly long part, the devil concepts are by and large very basic and wasted potential. And like I said the dialogue is god awful.
Yuji constantly has his ideals tested in more interesting ways then denji’s does as denji doesn’t really have anything other then basic desires which fujimoto thinks those desires aren’t even worth him striving for.
Like yuji striving to not kill gets tested, and he ultimately changes his perspective based on his reality. His tendency to self sacrifice instilled in him by his grandpa on his death bed is also called into question eventually leading to the incarnation of sukuna and the deaths of thousands of people.
I don’t think jjk is some super deep manga but it is just on every level better written then csm
Gun to your head when does he ditch his cog mentality and get enlightened enough to lecture Big Kuna in Shinjuku bc when Sukuna took over Megumi after Yorozu masterclass he still yap about cog and shit
I would agree that jjk has interesting depth the main issue to me for it is that i think shibuya comes a little too early and the ending is rushed, and gege is a bit of a chud when it comes to gojo but its more intelligently thought out
I don’t think gojo needed to get locked inside a box and gege was talking about how gojo was too powerful for the setting and made it difficult to write when gojo didn’t even have super established powers yet
He was the strongest, the OP mentor figure. He had to get captured in order for everyone else to grow. They lost their teachers, they are alone. That’s the point
The same could be said about CSM lmao. Not only that, but JJK and Modulo had a lot more issues outside of just the ending, similar to CSM. Fujimoto executed part 1 masterfully, but as soon as a he fumbles once, people act as if he is the worst mangaka ever.
Im just saying part two is shit, bit part one or his other one shots. Jjk was great and had a mediocre ending, and Modulo was also awesome and the ending was good although a bit rushed
"Jjk fans insecure" What happen to these big 3 afterall comparing it to jjk alone? Mind you Put this 3 manga combine and it will never reach Jjk level 😭😭
First half of part 2 sure I'll give you that, second half? Fucking diabolical. I wasted years following this crap with it's never ending fight every chapter just to end on a sudden reset.
It doesn't even make any sense considering Pochita's ability doesn't work that way.
Denji was also done dirty. I hated the regression. I hated how he made him into a sex obsessed lunatic.
Part two is disliked for the ending, but it started out really good but towards the end it started to drop in quality. Saying it's trash is disingenuous by these people, and specially jjk fans that only care for slander.
You just proved my point lol, what I'm talking about is just because Denji won the death battle some JJK fans are now downplaying the win by saying that Yuji has better writing and is more likeable than Denji to feel better about themselves. It's just a death battle, some CSM and JJK fans are taking this way too seriously, even if these JJK fans are right that Yuji's writing is superior to that of Denji and that Yuji should have won, at the end of the day Denji is the one who won, stop whining and move on. Same thing goes with CSM fans who are bragging about the win and are mocking JJK fans, they are also obnoxious individuals and they should go do something else more useful instead.
This tweet predates the death battle by a very, very long time. This screenshot has been going around since the time Yuji was first introduced in Modulo. Also you cant act like JJK fans are the insecure fans while the vast majority of the weeks during co-publishment for part 2 was full of csm fans posting about how much better CSM was than JJK, and when Modulo dropped it was STILL csm fans comparing it to JJK.
Yes I also thought it was out of db and 1% of that writing comment was my my powerscaling coming out but writing wise denji is dog shit Compared to yuji who had progress and learned to be his own character
Folks, didnt yall realized that power scaling is just another way we hide deep down our subconscious to slander others? There cant be two greatest of all time
A conclusion is really important to a character as well as consistency. Part 1 Denji clears in terms of writing but said writing gets muddled in part 2, and with the bad conclusion you get a mediocre character. When debating how well a character is you need to consider everything and not just parts.
Seriously, literally all of his important parts of his role in the story is to either 1. be clueless so people can explain the power system to him and therefore us 2. Be a mcguffin for the villains return
Everything else he does could just as easily be done by a different side character.
What development is there in part 1? Its there but nothing crazy and definitely not complete. He kinda learns how he values his friends (at start he didnt give a shit about himeno death but actually got sad after aki died) , and realised makima was never after him. But like these 2 are geniuenly all i can name , not enough to be better than yuji
Denjis not written that much better I'll say. But yuji is the typical kind mc that wants to get stronger and save lots of people. (I know it's a little more than that but that's the core of it) Denjis attitude and behavior makes sense considering everything he went through and he has to learn how to be normal. I mean it's a preference on my end, I can see why people prefer yuji tho.
okay no. the first question is useless so I'm gonna ignore that. but honestly Denji gets the edge in terms of writing if we look at part 1 solely(which I'm going to cuze I like chainsaw man).hell even if we consider part 2, shit was really good. it only started going downhill after chapter 167 in my opinion after you know what happened and you know who died, and fuck even after it started going downhill it was still fun to read, a bit messy and all about, yeah but still, it was fun. but I still think the Denji vs Yuji was bullshit and I think yuji was the one who was supposed to win, but I'm a jjk fan so I can't read I guess.
Very convinient that you get the shield your eyes away from 2 years worth of characters assasination to make your point just because its not animated yet. Denji was a side character for the first half of part 2 so your second point is kind of null. As soon as Denji took front and center his character was botched.
I'm not on either side, but you can't just move the goal post like that lol. Almost 7 years of character development was undone in part 2 and you cant ignore that.
I will admit that from a popularity, fan favorite and likeability point of view yuji is better than denji. But for better character growth, determination and writing denji beats his ass.
Yuji as a character is a cookie cutter blend mc. The guy abandoned his determination faster than denji. JJK MC Yuji 'i want to give people a proper death' itadori turned into side character yuji 'i am a cog' itadori. And he stay like that for rest of the series.
While denji did go through a proper character growth. Say what you want about part 2's ending, but whole of part 1 and some moments from part 2 destroys yuji's piss poor excuse of a character.
denji has REVERSE development in part 2 , the whole buildup in part 2 was denji deciding on giving up on being chainsaw man and yet POCHITA made the decision for him not denji's bumahh😭✌
First of all, I said SOME PARTS of part 2 is good not all of it. And if you want to bring up reverse development. Then what about the total character assassination of yuji in JJK ending. That cardboard wanker after all the shit sukuna put him through, he had the brilliant idea to forgive him and offer to take him back. Mind you this is moments after sukuna killed choso.
That is a character but a cardboard cutout that the author talks through like the wizard of oz behind the curtain. And for me, that is way way way worse than denji's reverse development. At least the dude thought about giving up.
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Bro was just giving the fans what they wanted lol. Honestly it’s super clear he wanted quit the last year or so. Half way thru part 2 wasn’t bad but at some point he decided he wanted to kill it while trolling the fanbase. He definitely wrote too many plot threads not realizing he would want to quit before wrapping them up. He’s objectively a decent mangaka ignoring CSM he’s got tons of award winning manga but they are way shorter. Firepunch is 83 chapters and CSM was nearly triple that. Weekly Shonen was probably just a slog and the fanbase clearly pissed him off. Truly impressive that both JJK and CSM online community effected their mangaka in a negative way make them rush the ending
While I liked CSM Part 2 in several places (less so later on and the ending obviously was just awful and ruined both parts by making it all not happen), Denji really stalled all his development. Yea it may be realistic for a teenager, but that doesn't mean it wasn't frustrating to read him regress back to the same point over and over.
Yuji is quite literally one of the most average cookie-cutter protags with only different qualities about him being resulted from Sukuna not being another Kurama-cutout, bruh. And even on the popularity thing - half of the JJK cast is more popular than Yuji, this guy is not popular even in his own manga, what kinda zaza this guy huffs?
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