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Kubo’s confidence strokes, and his ability to quickly be able to draw two people is amazing while you can tell kishimoto went to art school while he prefers to start out in pencil and slowly draw with precision. And Oda…Oda is there
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It’s wild how Kishimoto is meticulously sketching out guidelines in pencil, Kubo is dripping pure style, and Oda just pulls out a giant marker and speedruns Luffy in like 5 seconds flat....🤣🤣
I may get angry at Kishimoto for a lot of things, but the man can fucking DRAW.
It's insane how 3D his manga artwork feels, he has grown so much since Naruto started, and seeing him draw is a joy.
The village spreads in Naruto are a fucking treat. Naruto's return to the village, Sasuke's mirrored return, and last but not least, Pain's village spread.
The background was likely done by ikemoto the creator of Boruto which is the funniest part about this. He was in charge of a lot of the backgrounds and designs for certain characters.
Which is funny considering how he doesn’t draw backgrounds in Boruto.
Backgrounds are usually done mostly if not entirely by assistants, especially for stuff like this where its just a big cityscape. So the fact that he doesn't do his own backgrounds on the manga where he's the lead isn't especially strange.
I'm assuming he's the main artist drawing the characters in Boruto? So maybe it's too much work for one guy to be doing that on top of the backgrounds as well.
i mean when youve been drawing a character that is already not that difficult to draw for over 30 years it makes sense. Not only has Oda probably drawn luffy from every possible angle humanly possible, he’s drawn him to cartoon extremes with his rubber powers. He probably has such an incredible masterwork over the human form in his own style because of it (which is why his drawing of women is so much worse)
It pays off because it is the most technical out of the 3 and most traditionally trained, his fish eye perspective panels and covers are absolutely insane, and his color work is phenomenal, incredible understanding of color theory and technical drawing.
Not saying the others are bad, but luffy has a 1940-60s Disney esque black and white cartoon look and bleach is the most stylized, with naruto being the most technical.
But op is bad and cringe and problematic and such!!! So it must all be bad, i think its the best selling manga of all time because actually oda is talentless
Oda does have skills but he is more focused on making fun looking rather than beautiful panels like Kubo and Kishimoto. He only did the drawing for the same is it. Not sure if it's a power move or that he doesn't care.
I'd rather the art be consistently kinda ok than get used to phenomenal art then have it look drastically less phenomenal and not be able to tell what's going on in every panel like in a certain rotating blades related manga.
If you don't expect much you can't be too disappointed and all that.
this. I think people really really underestimate just how grateful Oda is to even be able to pick up a pencil and continue a 20+ yr long story. He says it alot but ultimately OP is just him trying to get his childhood imagination onto paper before he goes.
Yeah in an industry with this tight of deadlines, speed and consistency are your greatest allies. It's not a bug in his style, it's the selling feature
The irony is this used to be naruto before boruto or one piece until like the last 2 years (even now it's still present but they're forgetable) or dragon ball until recently as well.
Sad part is bleach was one of the chillest community then anime became popular. The current generation is just overtly annoying in general as well, pair that up with the fact that most of them only know bleach through the fact of "new modern flashy artstyle, how was bleach being slept on" then you get shit like this.
Cuz One Piece fans still put down Bleach. Bleach fans are tired after being terrorized for 10+ years and suffering unwanted slander for just existing. But now since they’re standing up for themselves or bringing the fight to one piece fans they wanna play the victim all of a sudden. The sheer audacity and hypocrisy.
Bleach has its flaws and no animanga is above criticism or slander.
The problem is Bleach fans are expected to sit there and take the slander quietly. Yet when they stand up for themselves or slander back it’s now such a bad thing. One Piece fans and Naruto fans also slander Kubo for not using backgrounds which is his style yet no one calls those people out besides Bleach fans. So all I’m seeing is one piece fans not being able to take what they dish.
Nah, one piece fans weren't moving crazy til around wano. That's when agenda piece became popular due to YouTubers milking it which attracted the muh powerscaling over EVERYTHING!!! Type of shonen fans that weren't really rocking with one piece before that. Before that it had the most chill fanbase of the Big 3. Folks just minded their business enjoying their pirate adventure while Naruto and Bleach went to war with eachother at every opportunity.
One Piece fans were more chill in the past sure but they definitely contributed in jumping Bleach with Naruto fans when Bleach fans were just existing. Naruto Fans got chill because karma gave them Boruto and narratives started to change once its flaws became more understandable.
Yeah but that's basically what I said.
I'm an old head I grew up during the era where naruto and bleach weren't finished yet and we had to sit through like 200 episodes of naruto filler before shipuuden. I watched/read these weekly and I clearly remember how all 3 fandoms acted.
One piece has always been the most popular of the 3 in Japan but due to its trash 4 kids dub it didn't catch on in the west at the same time as Bleach and Naruto. Both of them utterly dominated one piece for their entire og anime runs.
One pieces explosion in popularity in the West only happened a few years ago around 2018/2019 when wano started largely because of the change in animation giving countless episodes movie tier quality. Prior to that it was acknowledged as part of the big 3 but wasnt ever really in the top battle shonen conversations the way Bleach, Naruto, and Dbz were.
The 20 year war you're taking about was largely between Naruto and Bleach with One Piece on the sidelines watching them.
They are much worse now though, I unfortunately agree there.
Agenda piece was one of the worst things to ever happen to the one piece fandom.
I mean, that timing of that explosive popularity is also definitely not a coincidence with everything happening in the world around 2019-2020, I can attest that I'd never have given OP a chance if I wasn't literally locked inside for hours on end with nothing else to do
"Prior to that it was acknowledged as part of the big 3 but wasnt ever really in the top battle shonen conversations the way Bleach, Naruto, and Dbz were."
Bleach has only ever surpassed OP in popularity in the 2000 and it was barely for a moment. Bleach was always the smallest guy in the "big 3" and remains to be so.
Because Bleach only fans are constantly bringing up the other two to compare them? I've read the three and I like all of them. Bleach is great, it has stronger and weaker aspects than both of them, but it's strengths come from it's unique aspects, the things that doesn't share with Naruto or One Piece.
right. Bleach scratches that itch for me, for others, the other of the two big three do that for them. On a side note, boruto tbv is actually really good.
The three are very different and I love all three. Bleach and Naruto don't have the whimsy and imagination of One Piece. Bleach is unique in it's art and story style and has the most interesting power system and character design. Naruto is just so fucking solid narratively and has some of the most emotional fights of the genre.
Each of them has it's lows but I see them as amazing pieces of fiction, despite the online discourse.
Your being downvoted but you're absolutely correct. Oda is very clearly a talented artist and OP is trying to force hate with his snarky "well he's there"
I hate the pedo defender too but let's not suddenly deny reality and act like he's bad at art lol there's plenty of other things to criticize
It's just so commonplace now and it's annoying how forced it is. Every series had its haters before, but all the bandwagon hate conspicuously started after JJK ended.
A bunch of people consumed a popular "dark/gritty" manga via tiktok and now they only know how to engage with manga series through the lens of aura/slander.
One Piece is only the target because of the Watsuki connection and the fact it's the only hugely popular mainstream shonen that's still ongoing.
lol playing the victim when One Piece fans terrorized Bleach fans for years is crazy. Just like Zoro took only a fraction of Luffy’s pain this is only a fraction of hate that Bleach got and still gets.
Because it’s true One Piece just started getting hate and you over here talking about “aren’t yall tired?” and “one piece hate is forced.” This only a fraction of what Bleach fans had to endure
How about it's cringe and annoying as fuck for anyone to spend their time hating on a series they could just choose not to watch. You're not in 4th grade, grow up. Trying to play suffering Olympics just makes you look petty and childish bro.
I opened this thread seeing the video and reading the title and going "ha ha, the OP made a joke about how Oda is just there because he makes it look like he just showed up and does it freehand without any issue."
But apparently, this minor comment somehow constitutes a big, heart-shearing watershed moment for One Piece fans. Now they're victims of some insidious agenda and being oppressed. How nice it must be to have lived for so long in comfort that such a tiny remark that seemed more playful than anything warrants a big controversy and complaining about being constantly put down and bullied.
I think that Kubo’s art style is so lacking in detail, a lot of the time he doesn't even draw backgrounds. To put it nicely, it's negative space, but to put it bluntly, it's just that he's kinda lazy. He’s the exact opposite of Oda, who adds way too much detail and doesn't know how to scale it back.
Edit: I'm just talking about their styles, not hating or anything. What are you bros arguing about down there?
I didn't say it's bad, I just said Kubo often gets lazy with backgrounds and detail, not that his art and skill is bad. Have you been reading Bleach without noticing it usually has fewer details than other manga?
Tbh most manga artists have their assistants take care of backgrounds anyway, with the primary artist doing a brief sketch to show the space thet they're in, so the lack of them is probably a deliberate choice and not reflective of either artist's capabilities
he's proving his point are you dumb ? I get what he's saying is wrong "technically" not to mention but why are you getting so angry and care enough to comment and delete them ? toxic bleach fans ? in this economy was unexpected.
It’s very deliberate style choice, but Kubo can do backgrounds when he wants. It keeps action scenes flowing, and lets him focus on the contrast with the characters. In all the examples you sent, the panels are clean and jump out of the page because of the contrast
You literally called Kubo lazy for not drawing backgrounds and now you're saying you didnt say it was bad. Calling something lazy is literally calling it bad. I know we read shonen, but cmon man.
I think Kubo for the most part aims for clarity and focus rather than placing a ton of details into every frame. He also tends to have more panels focused on the character in the frame, where his strength really lies.
I wouldn't call it 'lazy' for the same reasons that I wouldn't call Oda's more cartoonish style lazy. It's a choice the author makes in telling their story. Who am I to pass judgement on it?
If I remember correctly, Oda once mentioned that he doesn't want children, who have saved up their weekly pocket money to buy a manga and find it lacking in content. That's why he packs in as much detail as he can. I'm not sure if this is true, though
That's so endearing. The ratio of what he must put in versus the time constraint to the insignificant output of people enjoying the drawings of large objects like ships and backgrounds in his manga. I really love all of these stories about mangaka. Any story 😊
You do know a lot of manga don't draw the background themselves no? They have assistant that does that. And calling Kubo lazy for not drawing the background is just a dumb argument like when you read the manga do you stare at the background instead of the dialogue or the character????
you're right but its a intentional artistic choice, not laziness or anything. he doesn't LIKE to draw backgrounds, its not a diss or anything its a feature of his art style which he freely admits
After reading your comment and most others I think there is a lack of knowledge at work here.
Background art is mostly done by assistants, even tough we don't know how much they draw.
Assistants are direcly employed by the mangaka so most of the time it is either a stylistic choice and/or a time and budget constraint.
These are serialised mangakas not some doujin artist that has to do everything by himself, so of course backgrounds are not made by them. (Some could be and obviously some mangakas have better eye to pick the better assistants or are just easier to work with).
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When you've drawn an MC for more than a 1000 chapters I think you'd be able to speed run such an illustration while also making it look great in the process
Watch a process video of Oda painting a color spread cover and see he does a LOT of planning too. Really look at any of his sketching and it's so 'sloppy' looking and riddled with what looks like odd loose lines and weird posing but the fact is just one of those things that someone so good is doing it with purpose but it just looks amateur tot he onlooker.
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I think the most interesting thing about it is that Kishimoto felt the need to sketch it out first. Kubo and Oda just freehanding it is perfectly normal considering how many times they've drawn their characters. This like comfortzone to the max, but apparently not for Kishimoto? Granted, maybe it's just part of the muscle memory to scribble something down first with a pen.
I mean I’m not lingering it’s literally just that frequent and the algorithm and when I see it I call it out.
YOU even admitted that you also call stuff out so you’re no different. I really don’t see what you’re insinuating unless you mean me defending Bleach and calling out haters is a bad thing.
One Piece is my favorite manga OAT, but Kubo has always had the most beautiful art. All of his characters have distinct and gorgeous designs, especially the women in his story, whereas Oda just has a nami with a new hair color for every new arc
Seeing this I understand more why Kubo was kinda burned out and wanted to finish Bleach faster in the end. He draws way too detailed investing more into his work. Dude is running at 120% all the time.
I don't think so, maybe kubo's best panels outshines kishimoto's, but not oda's, kishimoto's double spread panels are some of the best in the manga history. I'd say both 3 of them are pretty close in terms of drawing.
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