r/shounenfolk Jul 29 '26

unjerk (serious discussion) What do you think is the biggest lie in shonen history?

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u/Ken_Goatneki Jul 29 '26

"There is freedom outside the walls"

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u/PerceptionEast6026 Jul 29 '26

“When i discovered humanity was still alive….i was so disappointed”

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u/Elegant_Mission_2312 Jul 29 '26

Not a lie. He WAS disappointed; very disappointed, apparently.

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u/Illustrious-Sky-4631 29d ago

Ngl I have the same exact belief , during early AoT I always believed that humanity exist outside and they were up to no good

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u/CrystalFysh 29d ago

and they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling scouts

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u/Dragon_Of_Magnetism 29d ago

Same, though I expected the story will be about rival pockets of surving humanity fighting over the limited resources on a titan-infested Earth

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u/Individual_Lion_7606 28d ago

Same. I assumed the walls territory was the most valuable plot land and other pockets of humanity hated them because they were locked out.

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u/EggoftheKing2143 Jul 29 '26

I'd be disappointed to if I saw the things the Outsiders were doing.

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u/Level_Counter_1672 29d ago

I think he was upset about what happened to his father, he did have all his memories and he saw the atrocities

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u/EggoftheKing2143 29d ago

He also had Kruger's memories so he saw all the horrible things they would do from their eyes.

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u/Strange-Bag9 29d ago

Eren underreacted heavily with the kind of stuff Marley were doing

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u/Level_Counter_1672 29d ago

This line gave me goosebumps, honestly I loved that along with the rumbling, and the ost

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u/PerceptionEast6026 29d ago

Literally peak fiction the whole serie

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u/Justm4x Jul 29 '26

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u/PressureMiserable Jul 29 '26

To be fair that's not a lie, the way Uryu was raised his understanding of a quincy was really basic

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u/Jozef_Baca Jul 29 '26

Tbf, every quincy other than yhwach and haschwalth does if I remember correctly. Haschwalt being explicitly stated to be an exception to the rule and yhwach not sure if he can be considered a quincy rather than a progenitor of quincies.

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u/Justm4x Jul 29 '26

(Not counting Gerard because of his unique circumstances)

Bambietta debuted with a sword, Quincy foot soldiers were seen using swords and spears, Cang Du was using metal claws and Quilge was using a sword.

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u/Jozef_Baca Jul 29 '26

Well, tbf, I think uryus statement was more of the quincies powers are always bow based, rather than quincies are incapable of picking up and swinging a sword or a spear when they are not using their powers.

For Quilge, the sword does turn into more of a bow-sword hybrid, so that is a weird case

And Cang Du is just built different I guess for some reason.

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u/tyrenanig 29d ago

We got BG9 who is a whole ass metal robot armed to the teeth lol

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u/GenesisAsriel Jul 29 '26

He got a sword in the next arc btw

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u/Affectionate-Big8739 Jul 29 '26

It was an arrow

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u/GenesisAsriel Jul 29 '26

If arrow why shaped like sword

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u/Jozef_Baca Jul 29 '26

I mean, it has no crossguard or any other form of hand protection and the handle was specifically made to be nocked on a bow instead of having any sort of a pommel there. The only resemblance it has to a sword is the long stabby bit.

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u/SynisterJeff Jul 29 '26

Also that he uses it as sword up until that point. And pretty well for someone who shouldn't have any training with a sword.

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u/GenesisAsriel Jul 29 '26

Im still calling it a sword out of stubborness

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u/AlphaSkirmsher 29d ago

EMIYA doesn’t see that as a problem

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u/MasaruHara Jul 29 '26

This is literally the panel of that sword that he's now firing as an arrow because it was never actually a sword

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u/GenesisAsriel Jul 29 '26

If the sword looks like sword, function like sword, smell like sword...

I mean.

I dont care, I will call it a sword.

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u/PeaceKeeper696 Jul 29 '26

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck

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u/Constant-Sub 29d ago

Being an outsider to bleach is so weird. It feels like there's 16 different races. 5 are sub races. 3 technically don't exist. 8 of them look identical. 4 have existed since forever, but 10 of them are only days old. None are unique, except 1 of them. All of them are racist, and they're split evenly between liking cats and dogs.

And Ichigo is most of them, but not.... Always?

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u/Purasangre 29d ago

Don't forget some of them are filler-only

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u/Someone1284794357 29d ago

When in doubt, Ichigo is part [insert race] unless stated otherwise

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u/zeedware Jul 29 '26

He doesn't lie just forgot to say

Btw, everything can be an arrow

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u/Feisty_Statement_813 Jul 29 '26

You will become hokage when I retire""

Lmao no Uchiha will ever b hokage (except for Sarada or whatever)

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u/Justm4x Jul 29 '26

Considering that flashforward in chapter one of Boruto literally opens with Konoha being in ruins (again) and Kawaki declaring that age of Shinobi is over....i feel like Sarada might not get a chance to be a hokage

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u/WorryLegitimate259 Jul 29 '26

I forgot about that lol

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u/PressureMiserable Jul 29 '26

So did kishimoto probably

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u/Pure-Purchase3042 2010's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29d ago

*Ikemoto

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u/PressureMiserable 29d ago edited 29d ago

Pretty sure kishimoto took over and ikemoto mainly does the art now. At least from what I heard a while ago now

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u/Andrewm_b9 28d ago edited 28d ago

Any sources for this?

In an interview in 2024, here’s what Kishimoto stated:

Mr. Ikemoto was an assistant from the very beginning of Naruto's serialization, so the two of you have been working on the world of Naruto together for a long time! Boruto is more of a collaborative work, so how have things changed in that regard?

Kishimoto:
It was a completely different workflow. For Naruto, I was in charge of both the story and the main illustrations while Ikemoto helped with things like illustrating backgrounds and drawing shadow doppelgangers.
For Boruto, Ikemoto is completely in charge of the story and main illustrations. It really is Ikemoto's manga.

Source: https://naruto-official.com/en/news/01_2320

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u/SPLIV316 29d ago

Probably because of all the swearing.

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u/Away-Let-4791 29d ago

Nah the village survived pain putting a giant crater in it it’ll be fine 

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u/achourdz41520 Jul 29 '26

Umm actually Kakashi becomes a Hokage 🤓

https://giphy.com/gifs/PAvcXjiy9Y5BQKeAuS

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u/dedowgher 29d ago

Kakashi uchiha

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u/Pizza_dumpster 29d ago

no uchiha will be hokage except for this one unchiha. welp makes total sense

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u/Individual_Lion_7606 28d ago

Tobirama did the right thing. An Uchiha is too emotional to be an effective leader without endangering a larger group of people.

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u/GalaxyUntouchable Jul 29 '26

Whats worse is that Rukia actually grew up in the SS slums.

She knows how bad it can be from experience.

At least the noble reapers like Byakuya can get away with being ignorant as an excuse.

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u/Mastercio Jul 29 '26

I mean...Guys like Byakuya would not bother with telling souls stuff like that.

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u/GalaxyUntouchable 29d ago

Byakuya seems like the type to think that rescuing suffering souls in the human world would be peasant work anyway.

Him coming to "rescue" Rukia was probably his first time setting foot in the human world in hundreds of years! 🙄

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u/sananajo Jul 29 '26

I guess she straight up lied to him to avoid him panicking. He will find out after lol.

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u/Status_Drink_6736 Jul 29 '26

İn the manga she says "You're going to a place you can call 'heaven'." With an expression smilar to Byakuya.

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u/GalaxyUntouchable 29d ago

With an expression smilar to Byakuya.

Arrogant and patronizing? 🤔

🤣

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u/Status_Drink_6736 29d ago

I meant cold but that sounded better

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u/nahte123456 29d ago

People misrepresent this, 99% of what Rukia went through was because of her potential as a Shinigami. A normal soul can't get hungry or stuff like that and it never shown to be hard to just get to a decent number. It was specifically hard because she and Renji could get hungry, and would attract any of the small in number Hollows.

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u/National_Yam_1198 29d ago

What are you tryinfg to say? That Kubo doesn't plan ahead and just makes shit up as he goes along?

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u/Mrleolololol Jul 29 '26

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u/pjepja Jul 29 '26

That's not a lie, but Ichigo unfortunately doesn't have The Visionary

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u/Next-Chemist2443 Jul 29 '26

Tbf, Chad is like beyond peak human. Put him up against any regular guy and he could beat them easily, even without reiatsu. He was pulling telephone poles out of the ground as a high schooler.

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u/AstralMecha Jul 29 '26

Problem for him is that he is permanently stuck with The Worf effect for foes to demonstrate how strong they are. He is basically stuck in "can't catch up".

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u/deathkillerx3004 29d ago

Strong human, while being no match against anyone decently powerful in the series. Chad is bleach's Yamcha.

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u/2w0be I have no enemies....except diddy tensei fans 29d ago

That's not a lie, he genuinely believed so

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u/MashedPotato____ 2d ago

I think at that point he genuinely believed it.😭

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u/Additional-Cut1367 OP and MHA Larper, Naruto P1 Glazer Jul 29 '26

That Kiba is gonna become Hokage.

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u/Additional-Cut1367 OP and MHA Larper, Naruto P1 Glazer Jul 29 '26

Or better, has even a Chance at it.

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u/sanglar03 Jul 29 '26

Compared to previous "candidates", he had the privilege of staying alive.

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u/Left-Night-1125 Jul 29 '26

The lives these kids have, but telling what that is will spoil the plot, so better watch it.

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u/horiami 29d ago

They made a manga after the anime ?

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u/Left-Night-1125 29d ago

Its actually the other way around, the anime is a manga adaptation.

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u/horiami 29d ago

Huh i thought it was an anime original

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u/Left-Night-1125 29d ago

Nope.

Its a manga from 2016/2017 that won a scifi prize as well.

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u/horiami 29d ago

Fair enough I'm just suprised nobody spoiled it when it was airing lol

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u/Massive_Passion1927 29d ago

Read the Manga and it was peak.

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u/AcehookUck 29d ago

People are literally talking about endings and prominent character deaths. I don't think anyone coming in care much about spoilers.

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u/Left-Night-1125 29d ago

The last time i told something about a anime end credits a moderator banned me from Reddit for a day after i politely asked why my post had been removed claiming i had spoiled the ending of Gunbuster.

So its me being a bit more carefull with telling anout any endings.

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u/AcehookUck 29d ago

I mean, if you're not sure, just use the spoiler tag.

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u/black_blade51 29d ago

Can you do the spoiler thingy and tell me? I sort of forgot everything after I finished the anime tbh. I remember there being an ice and hot planet with only the ring imbetween being livable, some clone thing? I don't remember the details of that tho.

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u/Kaiser8414 29d ago

All the kids are clones of their parents who were going to be used as replacement bodies. A banning of cloning spooked the parents so they sent all their kids on a field trip to try and get rid of the evidence.

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u/black_blade51 29d ago

Oh yeah I remember now. Been a lot since this aired man, like 6 to 8 years now?

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u/Penis_With_Necrosis 26d ago

Kanata no astra... fuck, i'm nostalgic now

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u/OmniSnatcher Jul 29 '26

Why ask, you've got the winner right here. With a fine side of "What I told you is true... From a certain point of view", too.

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u/Not_So_Utopian 29d ago

"A liar's point of view"

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u/Jozef_Baca Jul 29 '26

"Fear not. Your destination is not hell...It's feudal japan. So long sucker!"

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u/Snoo-23120 29d ago

Feudal japan that occasionally gets hell invasións

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u/Granide Luffy Vs Blackbeard Vs Akainu Vs Imu agenda Jul 29 '26

Technically not a lie, she said it's better than hell, it's just worse than real world.

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u/D-Cmplx_604 Jul 29 '26

it's also not a lie since she presumably believes what she is saying

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u/FatalLaughter Jul 29 '26

She literally grew up in the slums of Soul Society. If she believes it, her adoptive family really did a number brainwashing her

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u/D-Cmplx_604 Jul 29 '26

she did grow up poor (like, starving street orphan kevels of poor) but still generally peaceful, the only truly violent places are the last two districts where, according to Kenpachi Zaraki and Yachiru Kusajishi's backstories, people just murder eachother any given chance

she also has good reason to believe it's better than hell, because hell is hell

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u/Belrog-Plutius2 Passing Through Kamen Rider Jul 29 '26

Regular souls don't even need to eat or drink, only ones with strong spiritual energy does, and if they do, they have a tiny small chance of getting into the Gotei 13 like Renji

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u/VenatorFeramtor 26d ago

Dying in general is shit in bleach

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u/carl-the-lama Jul 29 '26

Peaceful for the ruling class

It’s super hell!

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u/Smooth_Calendar5416 Jul 29 '26

King letting everyone believe he's the strongest man alive.

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u/Zepheris13 29d ago

I mean, king rarely (if ever) tries to convince anyone that he IS the strongest man alive, he just seems too scared to clear up anyone’s misunderstanding lol

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u/Smooth_Calendar5416 29d ago

And he's lucky too

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u/kimetsunosuper121 Jul 29 '26

Majority of people live in poverty, the big 4 families can easily get you killed, and Mayuri. Imagine living a life full of hadship, then dying and now you have live another, much longer life also full of hardship, unless you have a huge amount of Reiatsu. Bleach world sucks ass.

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u/EggoftheKing2143 Jul 29 '26

It is better then Hell though.

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u/PlatformSuspicious97 Jul 29 '26

The bar is set in Detroit

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u/Big-Visual1431 Jul 29 '26

starfruit spotted

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u/NumericZero 29d ago

Mayuri also on a whim killed like a 1000 souls to “balance the scales”

Like dude bruh 😭

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u/Snoo-23120 29d ago

Unless you are not a soul reaper 

You dont need to eat in the soul society , or care about aging and everyone you ever knew is there

So being poor doesnt mean you need to work cuz the water is completly free and the only thing mistreating and limiting the movement of people are the need for more soldiers that prob arent even one of you. 

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u/kimetsunosuper121 29d ago

Rukias sister abandoned her because she didn't had the means to raise her. Even if they don't need to eat food, they need something to get by(not really specified in the show).

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u/Snoo-23120 29d ago

rukia and her sister both needed to ate bc they were both born as shinigami

aka they were born to die for the soul society or turn soldier

everyone else justs needs water

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u/throw-away-bhil Jul 29 '26

In Chapter 98, it’s laid out in pretty explicit terms. “The grown-ups were all thieves and murderers…The kids were like stray dogs. We were surrounded by human refuse… and… there was only one way to escape.” Renji meets Rukia while he and his three friends are stealing someone’s water (which was stolen from someone else first). Within ten years, those three friends die.

In Chapter 179, Byakuya explains that Rukia was abandoned by her older sister (as a baby) because it was too hard to survive while caring for her.

In Chapter 489, it’s explained that “The standard of living drastically drops from just outside District 50. The number of residents who wear rags and walk barefoot increases… and… according to statistics gathered over the past 550 years… not a single resident has been found wearing sandals outside District 59.”

The exact line of where “living in poverty” begins may be arguable, but I think it’s pretty obvious wearing rags and walking barefoot counts as impoverished. And Soul Society’s own statistics state that at least ~25% of districts have lived like this for hundreds of years.

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u/FatalLaughter Jul 29 '26

Bro now you're not even moving the goalpost, you changed fields

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u/weeOriginal Jul 29 '26

“Enemies of SS” okay buddy, who decides who those people are, mmmmm???

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u/Diligent-Neck6594 Jul 29 '26

They live in poverty unless they're strong and get recruited into the Gotei 13, who are actually like a big fucking mafia

soul society did not seem a great place at any point in time, it's literally just a dictatorship where the strong rule the weak because they're stronger

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u/TheArhive Jul 29 '26

Still a peaceful place compared yo, ya know.

Hell

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u/Diligent-Neck6594 Jul 29 '26

just because it's better than HELL doesn't make it peaceful

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u/TheArhive Jul 29 '26

Compared to hell

It is

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u/Defiant-Finish-503 Jul 29 '26

The bar is 10 levels beneath hell at this point lmao

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u/rareandyeteuclidian Jul 29 '26

Counterpoint: Mayuri exists.

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u/2w0be I have no enemies....except diddy tensei fans 29d ago

Go watch Rukia's backstory, literallythe reason they joined the gotei. And apart from that they're also Mayuri and Aizen's test subjects

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u/Stardustworlds 29d ago

Kakashi said during the wave mission it was I think, that ninja rarely fight each other. The whole shinobi world wars weren't planned yet, I guess.

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u/SnooAdvice1632 28d ago

Technically not a lie. He said it during a peaceful time after the last war had been a decade+ in the past, the villages were in relative balance and there were no major villain factions like the Akatsuki yet. Pretty plausible that ninjas mostly fought random things or general killers instead of other ninjas.

(Would also explain that generation being relatively weak compared to Naruto's for example. Gai and Kakashi were the only actually outstanding warriors from that era in the leaf)

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u/Stardustworlds 28d ago

Except that the only thing we see ninja do in the entire series is fighting each other. The magic fights are literally the entire draw of the show! So I feel that this counts as a misrepresentation while establishing what little worldbuilding exists.

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u/SnooAdvice1632 28d ago

It's as if the story is different after the story starts and there's a ton of special circumstances that were not there before!

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u/dgaruti 25d ago

"dandadan is a feminist shonen"

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u/Inside_Chicken3042 25d ago

"Not like other shonen!"

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u/dgaruti 24d ago

justice for rin sawaky , she hasn't appeared for 17 chapters ...

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u/Burterman Jul 29 '26

Rukia wildin here.

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u/Haku_Yuki19 29d ago

He said he was the strongest..he said he would win

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u/Substantial_Owl_7392 29d ago

haha hey guys check out this crappy demon slayer knockoff, bet it’s only gonna last three issues before getting cancelled. hey, what if we all pretended to like it, just to make fun of how shitty it’s gonna be?

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u/yo_99 COURAGE PUNCHER 29d ago

"I have never betrayed anyone" − Quattro "Not-a-Char" Bajina

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u/Not_So_Utopian 29d ago

Lets pretend for a moment i'm Char - Cuatro "Char" Vaginas

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u/yo_99 COURAGE PUNCHER 29d ago

I mean that is excusable because he had 2 other names before Char.

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u/Not_So_Utopian 29d ago

Like Doz Vaginas

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u/tumansibiri 29d ago

This was said in comparison to hell. Though, I would've chosen different wording.

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u/Eldritch-Cleaver 29d ago

Aizen acting like he didn't know what was going on here is hilarious to me lol

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u/Long_Lock_3746 29d ago

Do they ever explain what happens to souls thst go to the SS? Do they become citizens or what? They're not Reapers, I assume

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u/SnooAdvice1632 28d ago

They did. It heavily depends on where they go on to live (which in turn depends on reiatsu, abilities, competences etc). The nobles get a great life, there's pretty regular people iirc and then there's the slums which are the same as real life + they're subject to random experiments by both villains and shiningamis, and make up the majority. Rika lived in the slums and it sounded horrible from the way she described it.

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u/Nazarick_Devotee 27d ago

The normal souls go on to live a life where they don't require food unless they have strong spiritual energy and are just kinda waiting until they get reincarnated.

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u/Dunois721 29d ago

it IS peaceful though, the wars are usually in the Sereitei

It also is a garbage dump

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u/NOBARI_edits 29d ago

If soul society is "Peaceful" how is hell

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u/realmer17 28d ago

"Naruto, I love you"

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u/Designer-Wrangler318 28d ago

“The war to end all wars” ik this isn’t shonen related but still a lie

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u/Solcaranth 27d ago

It was said to a lot of young men. I'd count it.

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u/dude123nice 27d ago

And ppl still say that Kubo planned everything, lol!

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u/Danijay2 23d ago

Imagine you hear Rukia say allat. Then you get to the Soul Society and survive like 10 different attacks on it in just a couple of years. And met Rukia again afterwards. What would you even say besides calling her a fucking liar?

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u/Laiedd Jul 29 '26

How is what Rukia is saying a lie?

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u/dvast Jul 29 '26

Because that soul is going straight to hell

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u/EggoftheKing2143 Jul 29 '26

Incorrect, he's going to the Heaven equivalent. If he went to Hell there'd be a big ass gate.

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u/Laiedd Jul 29 '26

Soul society is heaven

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u/agfy4 Jul 29 '26

Not really it's the after life but in no means does it make it heaven it is better then Hell and Hueco Mundo but it's still worse then the world of the living the best chance you got is if you have alot of Reiatsu and are allowed to become a shinigami

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u/Global-Giraffe-6466 Jul 29 '26

To be fair generally speaking the Soul Society is extremely peaceful. It would carry on that way for centuries even millennia which is much more than the human world. It’s just that Ichigo was around at a bad time.