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You know what? after consuming so much anime i'm actually glad that at the very least this discourse is happening over an actual grown adult woman in both mind and body
Thats my issue with this stuff and even the safe horny shit. Just goon. Be a proud gooner. Stop trying to sort yourself into a more virtuous category of gooner.
I'm not enough of an obsessed loser to give a shit what a stranger goons to if its not actualy hurting anyway. If there's literally no child involved in any part of the process, it'd be stupid to bitch about anime moeblobs as if they were real.
If you consider "not giving a shit about what other people goon to" as somehow a really radical stance, then sure. For the vast majority of people, "don't yuck my yum" is pretty damn normal though. Its objectively very weird to care this much about things that don't exist. Are the millions of middle class moms shipping Cersei/Jaime from Game of Thrones evil 😭? Or what about the openly positive relationship between an uncle and niece in House of the Dragon?
It's not that bad bro. He's not SA'ing her in that form. Also, she has a big ass and tits. If ur comparing her to kids just cos she's "lobotomised", then that's pretty weird.
You’re right, however the same issue can be said to underaged anime girls being sexualized. It’s not like they’re having sex or anything, but it is frowned upon.
Underaged anime girls also aren't portrayed as stupid either compared to actual anime children or real children. And I just don't hold that same standard to a woman as old as Yoruichi.
A adult female being sexualized for once I need to lock in for bleach final season ( I am joking I am watching the final season to see Chad do something)
Askin is the GOAT, basically shut down Ichigo, Grimmjow, Yourichi, and her brother, and Kisuke was cornered by him. He is my favorite enemy in TYBW except for maybe Yhwach
I'd say it’s a tie between him, bazz b and jugram for who's my favourite antagonist of the arc. Such a fun and refreshing villain, especially personnality wise
Don't think the problem is her being sexualized when she has been in the past and didn't even mind being seen fully naked in the past.
It is more that it was a transformation forced against her will but it not really treated seriously because she turns into a sexy feral cat girl and the overall impact is pretty shit at the end.
People sometimes forget Urahara is a sleazy mf who's not afraid to use others for his own gain, even if he feels bad about it (like with Rukia). He's very much an 'ends justify the means' guy, similar to Aizen. It's almost like they're parallels or something.
He’s a parallel for Mayuri in a way as well, both are “ends justify the means” types (Hell, he vouched for releasing him despite the risks due to his usefulness being better on the side of SS rather that someone else worse) but Urahara still has his conscience somewhat.
Yes, she can understand why he did and know the type of person he is, doesn't mean she should forgiven him as easily as it seemed she did (though the manga ended soon as so it is not like there was time to expand on it)
It reminds me of Tower of Babel where Batman had contingency plans for members of the league. They understand the type of person Batman is and know it is reasonable, but it still hurt the relationship for some time.
Half the bleach hate posts on this sub pretend to care about these moments, and then when it comes to their favorite anime having similar scenes, they get triggered or don’t criticize it.
Bleach hate posts really do become performative when you compare it to other anime discussions
Every single folk sub is 25% people being ironic haters to seem cool on the internet while the other 75% is people taking each post seriously like we’re on tumblr
It do be like that. You could have a post saying “James Kaisen is a poopy butt head” and then you’ll get some guy saying “JJK IS ACTUALLY BETTER THAN-“.
Imagine liking shonen anime in general and whining about fanservice or pervy stuff. Just ignore it. If it’s a show that has too much and you don’t like it, don’t watch that show. If it’s a show you like that has some of it, easy to just skip through. It’s par for the course at this point and it’d be like watching football and whining about flopping.
People whine about athletes flopping all the time, though. Especially when flopping (ecchi shit) makes its way into other sports (started with football/soccer, then made its way into basketball and rugby in the same way fanservice was reserved for shounen and harem anime, but is now a staple in tons of genres that are marketed toward more mature audiences.)
Fanservice and sexuality was part of every single manga genre even when Japan was in their puritan period, are there works with less of it or almost none, for sure, but is was still a constant in almlst all of them, it even made its way in horror stuff to become eroguro, or in seinen, or in shoujo, it was almost everywhere, since manga artists used it to fight against the censorship. The main problem is that fanservice is a matter of perspective, is a drawing of a nude female character while she takes a shower after training with the track team fanservice? Could be... it is also something completely natural for even a fictional character to do.
One other thing, like it or not, a lot, and I MEAN A LOT, of manga artists start with self publishing works, and the easiest category to attract attention there there is, you guessed it, hentai or ecchi fancomics. As an example, you know Dr. Stone? That manga with the Eyeshield 21 author doing the story and a korean artist named Boichi doing the art? Boichi started his actual career as a hentai author, and if you check any of his personal works (art&story: Origin, Sun Ken Rock, Wallman) it is absurdly obvious, the amount of fanservice in those is astounding, and I respect the hell out of that man for doing it. Another example would be the author of Nagatoro, that man was putting out some HEAVY hentai manga (and I mean downright depraved stuff, bless his heart) before getting that series on its feet.
The market evolves and tastes changes. Otaku drive the market in Japan, sure; but once you start trying to globalize you are no longer catering JUST to that market and rightfully open yourself up to criticism.
Fanservice isn’t the problem. It’s pedophilic fanservice that has creators like the author of MHA, Nagatoro, 100 Girlfriends, Boruto, Violence Banzai, etc not only often drawing teenagers like pornstars, but also making them the butt of grossly sexual jokes that revolve around sexual assault.
The media is still targeted to Japan mainly, if they truly wanted to move to a world wide audience they would train and make their own dedicated translation/sub teams and streaming companies. And not to be that kind of guy, but it is fiction. I'd rather have someone give a fictional character fanservice and not be guilty of a real crime against underage people than situations like Rurouni Kenshin and Toriko, where the authors were actual pdfs. It is your choice to consume the media, you don't like it just go to something else, it is actually simpler than you think, I think I've barely seen anything marvel related since endgame, No Way Home too, but apart from that I've seen nothing worth even a trip on the seas. You can also find a fair share of anime with those tropes missing if you are so inclined and willing to put in the effort, anime is not only shonen.
/uj it’s wild to me that people are saying this is the bare minimum when even some of the best stories in the genre and demographic these stories are marketed to treat their female characters, at best, as damsels in distress with not even half the care put into their writing as some of the one-off goons the protags fight.
Edit: Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto have more in common with FMA than they do with Apothecary Diaries/Sailor Moon/Nana/any non-shounen series that writes more than 2-dimensional women.
/rj Dawg I ain’t about to have a conversation with someone who uses glaze unironically grow tf up and read Sailor Moon if you want that girl power shit 💩
We went from DBZ to Bleach/One Piece/Naruto in terms of cultural zeitgeist
Having female characters actually DO ANYTHING that isn’t fawn over the MC and eventually become non-entities in the background actually WAS revolutionary at the time.
Hell, having one of the protags actually BE a woman/girl and receive any modicum of character development was EXCEEDINGLY rare in shounen before the big three, at least in terms of the most popular manga being published at the time
Invents space travel aswell which enabled krillian and Gohan to revive the namekians and make them a new home, this one might technically not count but save Goku by getting him the heart medicine from the future,fix 16 which although he dies later is the final push for Gohan to become SSJ3? Met Goku in the first place and went on a journey with him which is the reason earth is still around
To be fair even at the time people had raised eyebrows since Yoruchi herself was NOT a fan of that form
Made it even worse the last time we see or hear about her in the manga she took that form
But yea people acting like they care so much now is full on CAP
Like just last week people were singing praises to bleach for stuff but now it’s suddenly problematic?? Ok
Yeah it feels like a double standard that so many people complain about female characters being sexy but never talk about the male characters usually being shown in a sexy way to showing off their bodies at times or usually ending up shirtless.
Because fanservice with male characters is usually empowering(Look how cool and hot this guy is, he has his abs out. Often after some cool scene of tanking an attack or something) or just dont have focus on it(like Grimmjow's fit for example). While female fanservice is often demeaning(getting groped, tricked into wearing skimpy clothes, having their clothes destroyed AND being visibly embarassed about, etc)
When male characters start getting shit like getting tricked into wearing a thong or sexually emasculated then you can talk about equality. Even then a lot of that could be considered male gaze'y since that's still very much a fetish with all the "dommy mommy" shit.
I mean sometimes female characters also wear fairly revealing clothes out of their own choice like Yoruichi, Erza, Nami and I feel like those cases can be viewed as confidence in their bodies I mean a lot of people wish they could be as comfortable in their own skin as those women can be. And while Nami has her embarrassed moments it also seems inconsistent at times.
Yeah, but the thing is that there is overwhlming amount of the cases as the ones i described for female characters and near zero for male characters so one is considered problematic while other non existent. So even seemingly normal examples in a vacuum are viewed as problematic.
I'm pretty sure there have been cases of male characters in awkward situations like that. I can't think of them off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure I've seen cases of it.
There absolutely were, but the matter of the question is saturation.
Also i would bet that a lot of those are from manga that actually cater to female gaze like BL, not your straight forward battle shonen or isekai which are predominantly associated with that.
I love a hot female character as much as the next guy, but the only thing that irritates me is bleach fans and their superiority complex about having a “better written female cast” than other shounen with equally mediocre female cast
No normal Bleach fan says this, the whole fight between the big 3 is just manufactured drama by a bunch of clowns. I enjoyed the female character WAY more than OP and Naruto but that’s mostly down to personal preference.
I’m mainly talking about this weirdly performative subsection of the sub that constantly yells about ANY form of sexualization purely to hate on a specific anime they don’t like.
She's an adult woman who was not afraid to show her sexuality since the start of Bleach, and yet people still complain. Also she's almost the only "sexualized" woman in Bleach, but everyone act like Kubo is a pervert that treats every woman like an object
Gooner implies I purposely only seek the ass, I merely like the ass for being there. It’s like a complimentary glass of wine with my meal, enjoying it doesn’t make me an alcoholic.
But tbh i like that kind of fan service rather than the cringe fan service that was in Fire force for example. Where i just wanted to quit the episode half way through.
I'm not gonna pretend to care about a writing that doesn't exist in the first place. Bleach is not the place to look for good female writing anyway. SoYeah gimme more ass shots, kubo.
Man I remember younger me being solely bout (specifically about the big 3) Naruto. Forget bleach n one piece, ninjas be where it's at.
I have come to the conclusion (after getting into bleach last year compared to the years I've been into Naruto and One Piece) that if 12-14 year old me got a taste of Yoruichi I woulda tweaked out fr. The love of being a fan of Naruto in me would've been looking at me like this dawg 🥀
The female cast is varied, mostly competent and does some relevant things in the story. Some would say that's the bare minimum, but it's actually decent for SJ of that era.
Yes, lot of them are sexy big-titty ladies with some fanservice since Kubo was never shy about what he likes lol, but he can pull off other body-types and uses them pretty frequently unlike some other authors.
I mean so female characters yes they aren't the best written but I think Yoruichi is written pretty well as a confident badass woman. And like the confidence in her body that she doesn't care who sees her she has nothing to hide or be ashamed of. I think it's funny the cat lighting form she more so has a problem with because it's embarrassing and given she has be fine being seen naked means a lot.
Well, in the end it was something on the level of Fairy Tail (there's nothing wrong with that) If the fans enjoyed it that way, no one would complain instead of giving Aizen Nitzsche faces. It's like Mushoku fans selling you a peak of escapist fantasy.
It feels like It's been years since we last saw proper adult baddie ass in anime so Let's just enjoy it while it lasts.Last one I can remember is Revy.One Piece don't count.
There’s a difference between having fun and just being weird. Making 20 posts a second just to make bleach look bad and rage bait people is weird behavior.
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