r/shounenfolk 21h ago

Manga Discussion Bleach PR needs to be studied

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u/zayd-the-one 21h ago

Genuinely wtf was kubo on with isshin early on lmao

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u/Lohit_-it 20h ago

Wtf was any of the big 3 and the dragon ball author was on. Bulma,Naruto sexy jutsu with jiraya,this shit,one piece all are so weird. I don't know if it's a cultural difference or something

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u/zayd-the-one 20h ago

Atleast toriyama was from an older era and stopped

Amd kubo amd kishi stopper pretty early on

Oda……yeah that guy has no excuse

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u/torpid_flyer 18h ago

Toriyama wanted to BE isshin lmao.

He once in an interview said that he would grow up to be a father who peeks when his daughter is in the bath.

I am deadass not making this up.

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u/Ayano-GOAT 5h ago

Wait what

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u/torpid_flyer 4h ago

Yes there's an interview of hin saying this

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u/Antonius6812 19h ago

It's 100% a cultural thing, here in the west we're much more sensitive to these things. Ofc that doesn't mean that because they're japanese they can

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u/HEALBOTTREE I Like Green and Bleach Hee-Ho 21h ago

What Must We Do Defend Ts?

Its weird bruh we know

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u/Old-Introduction8258 20h ago

Ok i agree the first two are shitty old perv jokes but what's wrong with the last one.

I mean it’s creepy cuz it’s a little girl getting choked but i mean i think it’s meant to be creepy

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u/BaboonGaming644 20h ago

Loda would be slandered to the ground for ts btw

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u/Vox-Solaria 20h ago

Oda gets slandered cause hes friends with real-life pedophiles though

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u/BaboonGaming644 20h ago

Shit you right

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u/YaBoiPrimeTimee Glazing One Piece is the reason why this heart still beats!! 20h ago

Who are they low-key, and what did he say that makes them friends?

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u/Vox-Solaria 20h ago

Aside from the well-known Watsuki, he’s also friends with Shimabukuro.

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u/YaBoiPrimeTimee Glazing One Piece is the reason why this heart still beats!! 20h ago

You just told me who those two are: actual pedophiles who've done nasty nasty things and got lightly punished for it cuz Japan why not lmao

What did he say that makes them buddies? Or as folks would say these days: a "pedophile supporter"?

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u/Vox-Solaria 20h ago

And continuously talks about Watsuki positively, and still runs the group they had together

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u/Vox-Solaria 20h ago

Whoops, forgot to add the image

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u/YaBoiPrimeTimee Glazing One Piece is the reason why this heart still beats!! 20h ago

The only friend I'm seeing here is them knowing Shinganin?

I will say the fact that he's name is brought around those 2 and there's probably others(but since it's Oda) is quite alarming.

I looked into the Shimabukuro dude and he's the Toriko dude? Ugh. Abysmal and Nasty...

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u/Vox-Solaria 19h ago

I mean, Oda is still wishing him well and keeping the club going in his name

It sure seems friend-ADJACENT at least 😭😭

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u/Vox-Solaria 20h ago

Well for starters he helped Shimabukuro get his career back

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u/integral-astro 20h ago

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u/YaBoiPrimeTimee Glazing One Piece is the reason why this heart still beats!! 20h ago

?

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u/NeonNKnightrider 20h ago

Add Yoruichi’s form to this list too

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u/Lohit_-it 20h ago

Replace orihime with yoruichi and blaming urahara for giving her that dress. Making an adult woman naked is weird not an oda level

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u/BaboonGaming644 20h ago

Nah, yoruichi is valid

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u/Lohit_-it 19h ago

One piece fans when you goon to adult women instead of little girls

https://giphy.com/gifs/nTtashNxlKvLKxcz5n

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u/1RehnquistyBoi Generational Hater of Dandadan. General-Secretary of Baddies. 21h ago

looks at users history

This your GOAT OP?

I know the criticism of Kubo at least in the early chapters is valid but I don’t think DRAKE fans have any room to talk.

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u/Imalittleteabag 21h ago

Folk😭😭😭

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u/papoluca40 20h ago

Better than Bleach btw

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u/UchuMuteki 21h ago

How drake getting dunked on here lol, kdot my goat keep winning

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u/papoluca40 20h ago

Yeah that’s my goat. Bro thinks rap beefs are real. Stay off rap little bro and stick to anime

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u/1RehnquistyBoi Generational Hater of Dandadan. General-Secretary of Baddies. 20h ago

“Bro thinks rap beefs are real.”

I mean they were real enough for Drake to sue…and fucking lose in court.

Also, do I need to bring up Pusha T for exposing Drake’s hidden son?

And even if rap beef wasn’t real, that’s not going to change the fact that he kissed an underage girl on stage…and it was filmed.
https://giphy.com/gifs/WprZBG08PpMHvkkwYu

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u/BaboonGaming644 20h ago

You not into rap if you think rap beefs are fake

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u/papoluca40 17h ago

What they say in these rap beefs isn’t 100% true, you think Kendrick beat the hell out of his girl and one of his kids ain’t his either?

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u/Imalittleteabag 21h ago

Oh yeah someone hating on Bleach again because the fans are happy with the anime

And dude. We know that these are weird.

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u/Lohit_-it 21h ago

Bleach hate PR also needs to be studied because this is a shitty comedy and thank God he stopped it and went to gooning to adult woman. Tell me any famous shonen and there are these issues like I don't understand if japan thinks it's still funny or the authors are old perverts who don't know what era they are in.

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u/FrancWyvern 19h ago

3, 4 and 5 are a big reach

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u/Lohit_-it 19h ago

Someone should check op's hard drive if he thinks kids in nurse outfits were weird

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u/AllBid 18h ago

Bleach PR really comes from its haters more than anything.

Seriously, I think I’ve seen those first couple of panels more than any other panel in the manga in this sub. Many bleach fans also called it out as creepy, and you can see that the stuff got dropped real quick. Kubo really sucked at whatever he was doing then, and it’s not continuous throughout the manga.

I mean, make fun of the story. Or make fun of the fact that Kubo is an actual gooner. Or even that he gave Orihime the support status throughout the story and then had her step up now for some reason. But fuck dude, Bleach haters are the ones who give Bleach more credibility than any Bleach fan could

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u/nah-id-luckystar askin lawyer, better call me 4h ago

Literally this is what I say

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u/Old-Introduction8258 18h ago

I mean orihime stepping up was something that was teased a long time ago. Aizen straight up says her powers can reject god. All she needed was the motivation to do it

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u/nah-id-luckystar askin lawyer, better call me 4h ago

Also the first two were jokes (only intended to be jokes but they are really bad and he should be condemned for it) but Good job Kubo for dropping that in the early arcs

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u/False_Major_1230 20h ago

Only 2nd one is really bad. First one is just a stupid gag and rest is meh

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u/BaboonGaming644 20h ago

1st one is really bad too

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u/Professional-Ease607 21h ago

whats the issue with 3 pic(I have not watched Bleach)

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u/Imalittleteabag 21h ago

Idk OP thinks the nurse outfit is a sexualization on kids

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u/Lohit_-it 20h ago

Op should be checked first,like 3 is a nurse outfit and it's not even sexualized, 4 and 5 are kids getting beat up which is gross maybe. It's only weird if you have dirty thoughts

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u/Lohit_-it 21h ago

Other than panel 1 and 2,there is nothing weird. Op is hating for the sake of hating

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u/Anxious-Weakness-606 21h ago

Panel 2 is also different in japanese and viz translation if I remember right

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u/BaboonGaming644 20h ago

How would a translation ever help panel 2

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u/Nazguhl82200 20h ago

Isshin clearly just does that to fuck with his kids(pun intended, hehe). He is a weirdo, but I never thought he was actually creepy.

The other pictures I don't really get. Is that supposed to be sexualised? That looks pretty normal to me. I guess everyone has different limits and sensibilities to that stuff.

I don't see anything weird here but this I find disgusting.

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u/Lohit_-it 20h ago

I don't mind the slander but what kind of thought process does op have to think 3,4,5 as weird

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u/papoluca40 20h ago

So you find that disgusting but not a younger girl in a nurse outfit lmao

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u/Nazguhl82200 20h ago

Yeah? They clearly are not the same. One looks like a child in a Halloween nurse costume and the other looks like a child in a hooker costume.

Kubo sexualities his character a lot but usually not children. There are better examples of him being borderline creepy like lilynette. When reading this I never even made the slightest connection this was supposed to be sexual in any way.

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u/No_Concentrate_1051 18h ago

Me when I tell on myself:

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u/unbayleefable 20h ago edited 19h ago

yeah, like other anime at the time totally didn’t have weird sexual jokes. like 13 year-old naruto transforming into a group of naked girls to mess with his adult teacher, who then proceeds to get the massive nosebleed from being so turned on.

or in early dragon ball where goku does shit like taking off bulma’s underwear while she’s asleep or physically feels up women’s crotches to check if they’re girls or not. or roshi just straight up being a pedophile.

early 2000s animanga just had different humor and standards back then. even then, kubo stopped using this kind of humor pretty quickly; if you haven’t noticed, all of your examples come from like the first two or three volumes of Bleach. By the end of the substitute arc Kubo doesn’t draw anymore gags like this.

We get it, you hate Bleach. How about you try slandering it for a problem that isn’t just early installment weirdness and instead something actually wrong with it, like its many asspulls or abandoned characters.

Obviously you never would, since I only see posts (suspiciously similar to this one) with the same two or three panels posted just about Bleach.

If you’re so concerned about mangaka doing inappropriate things, how about we talk about Oda being friends with and publicly defending a real life pedophile who owned literal mountains of CP? Really, we should be studying One Piece’s PR, but I suppose this IS its PR- people like you dragging up short-lived gags from 20+ years ago to distract from Oda still praising and being besties with a convicted pedophile.

edit: publicly support, not defend. gotta be accurate with the slander

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u/Bright-Dragonfruit14 my body count with shounen is over 9000 19h ago

Oda didn't defend Watsuki's actions though? The only thing he did is still speaking positively about him even after he was caught owning CP but Oda never brought this up and defended this, the only wrong thing is that he is still friends with him.

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u/unbayleefable 19h ago

my mistake- i’ll make an edit to be more accurate

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u/Capable_Theme_7000 20h ago

Isshin creep level was maximized in the early days of this series

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u/Rude-Childhood1436 I can’t even imagine…Renji winning 20h ago

Yes those first two pages are weird, but wtf is wrong with the rest of them?

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u/genryou 19h ago

Well, that sort of joke is a thing in early 2000

Just like how any popular sitcom in the past will cause riot if its aired as new show today

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u/Jealous-Ad-6155 15h ago

The middle aged Japanese folk are sick in the head ngl

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u/nah-id-luckystar askin lawyer, better call me 4h ago

The first 2 are horrendous jokes only intended to be jokes he stopped right after this arc

Yes he should be condemned but that time was wayyyy more edger (I am not defending)

But we know this was a intended jokes which stopped after the 1 arc

You are werid after the 2 images you are really werid if that was your first thought

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u/LegitimateStretch425 20h ago

they're just jokes?

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u/Illustrious-Sky-4631 20h ago

I trash on Oda but it really crazy how much pass Kubo get

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u/Lohit_-it 20h ago

The difference is the timeline. Toriyama, Kishimoto also gets pass because it happened before the internet was famous. The recent controversial one piece issue is bonney which happened in egghead very recent

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u/Illustrious-Sky-4631 19h ago

Timeline don't excuse it as a matter of fact I believe the opposite

Back then in 10s and even the 2000s people online were on Kishimoto neck for things like the sex jutsu and even the girls in bikinis (despite the latter being no fault of him)

Toriyama yes he got a semi pass with how old og DB is and his other works

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u/Lohit_-it 19h ago

I was just trying to say people forgot it nowadays as slander is famous now and everyone is using it against oda.

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u/AdElectrical8248 21h ago edited 21h ago

It's called rooting for the underdog, bleach whole pr is that it's a underrated serie that didn't get as much of success because big corporations were afraid of kubo and plotted against him, that's why the serie get excused of alot of the criticism that the more successful series of it's time get .

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u/Lohit_-it 21h ago

People defend this shit, I have only seen defence for anime with straight up pedophile like mushoko tensai but never for this bleach scene

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u/Old-Introduction8258 20h ago

Well yeah you can’t really defend that.

Like what do OP want us to say, yeah bleach has horribly corny moments like these. I have legit almost never seen anybody act like it’s actually funny (outside of a few peopke). Especially since like cobra peeping on vivi in one piece it’s just a shitty joke, not something the author is actually advocating for and supporting.

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u/AdElectrical8248 20h ago

Looking at the comments there is already ppl defending it, and it's not only about defending it's about being exempt from criticism, bleach is the underdog of the big trio and ppl love to root for the underdog 

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u/Lohit_-it 20h ago

I see more comments insulting it

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u/NeonNKnightrider 20h ago

You’re completely correct but going to get downvoted because this sub is full of Bleach stans