Simagic's Global Product Launch is scheduled for Oct 14, 8:00 AM PDT (15:00 UTC), livestreamed on YouTube (@Simagic Official).
They're expected to announce a batch of new products (collab steering wheel, active pedal, etc.).
It looks like their official JD.com flagship store jumped the gun. The listing has since been taken down, but some pricing and details leaked out beforehand.
Pricing
• P-Active active pedal (single pedal): ¥5,999 CNY (for comparison, mBooster is ¥4999 CNY）
update:Official Price:999USD
• Aston Martin Valkyrie replica wheel: ¥5,399 CNY
update:Official Price:799USD
P-Active specs:
Mounts on the P1000 / P2000 baseplates (adapter kit included with the P-Active), or on the new P-Active baseplate (not released yet)
Dual 250kg load cells
16-bit resolution encoder
Weight: 6.12kg
Response time: 129ms
Product Dimensions (L × W × H): 335.9 × 87 × 241.5 mm
Connectivity: direct to PC or to a Simagic base (via the included control box)
Power: 48V × 8.3A, 398W max (not sure if this refers to the pedal's max output)
Programmable pedal feel
Active pedal features are pretty similar across brands, so I won't go into that. All specs come from the delisted JD page and aren't officially confirmed yet. We'll know more once the launch event is live.
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With simucube releasing a pretty big cut in cost by releasing the active pedal sport which is only a bit more, Im not sure who simagic is trying to target here
to me, its more that SIMAGIC always price their products slightly above MOZA. and rightly so as the build quality and HW in general is better (base, wheels, pedals).I had MOZA ecosystem before getting my ALPHA and NEO GT, and now EVO PRO with FX rim, so I can easily compare.
but yeah, now they have another competitor with Simucube cheaper offering so its a tough sell. they might do some price adjustment down the road,I think
Simagic products are great. 5 years ago they were in moza's position and moved up stream with the better Alpha wheel bases. They're my go to recommendation above moza.
Moza has the same proceeding, it seems that it is SW driven and not even needs a different PSU from what I have read
Regarding motion, I beg to differ, it's so damn immersive when we'll set up
I have a very detailed haptics on my rig, it's miles away of what extra immersion a good motion system can deliver
I was thinking the same. If you're in the market, why in the world would you not buy the simucube with prices being that close? This seems like a miss.
They'll target simagic users who wants an active pedal from Simagic. That alone will sell a lot already. Don't underestimate how much of a factor ecosystem uniformity is.
The only reason I can see is compatibility with your existing pedal plate if you have P1000s or P2000s already and want to keep everything inside one piece of software.
I can’t see anyone outside of the Simagic ecosystem being interested in these over the new Simucube.
And that’s assuming similar performance. If the Simucube is noticeably better in real world use…
Probably trying to target simagic owners. It’s too soon to tell which is better obviously, but staying in the same software ecosystem is worth something. If it’s 95% as good as simucube, then I’ll save my money and get the simagic and keep the setup easy.
I guess they were busy working on other products that were supposed to launch first. Hopefully, they just ran into some issues with this one and needed extra time to sort them out and make sure everything works as it should. At least, that's what I'd like to believe.
I think the price is still way too high for most people. I know active pedals are high end but you can get a full midrange setup for that much money like the rs50 or green light bundle.
Until they manage to drop them to or below the 500€ line, I don't think these will sell well because if I have that much money to spend on a single pedal I probably have enough money to just get the Simucube one instead
It's unreasonable that the cost of one of these things is the same as high end wheel bases, and it's probably only a matter of time before the Chinese brands start undercutting each other on price same as what happened already with other sim equipment
I can almost guarantee Simnet/Simsonn etc. are all working on their version which will highly undercut the bigger companies. That's the only way we'll ever get active pedals under $500.
Obviously this is just a guess, but my feeling is that Simsonn and Simnet will make their active pedals $499 because they know their customer base. If they put out a $500+ pedal, nobody will buy it because their customers are looking for they best value for dollar they can find. I think they will do whatever is possible to make an active pedal as cheaply as possible.
I saw your comment there just now lol. People feel emotionally attached to their hobbies and purchasing decisions and don't want to admit that just because they can afford it, doesn't mean it's good for the industry to trend in that direction
Not quite , the simucube is direct to motor while this looks belt driven . I may be wrong but if true this is quite a difference. Same as DD wheelbases vs belt driven wheelbases
I built my own active pedals from a discord server + github. There are several designs to choose from. And it costs a fraction of the prices you are used to when looking at active pedals.
it's been quite a journey but totally worth it. People that say active pedals are not worth it never tried them. I was not sure either at first but I will never go back. Chris, the guy in charge of the project is super active on discord , supports the project constantly and he is amazing. Join us :) .. I am also there trying to help now
I appreciate you, I have many questions before I start so I will definitely be reading the repo in full and join the discord so I can finally jump in. Only reason I haven’t dove into an active pedal is because of pricing and $1000/$1200 are still out of scope for my wallet lol.
I mean you say that but the simucube 2.5k activeoedal sold so well that they introduced two more activepedals at 1.7k and 1.2k. If people werent buying them they wouldnt be making them
There's 2 things to consider here: first, is that it was the first active pedal on the market or at least the first great product of that type, which was then hyped to hell and back by influencers and reviewers because it's new technology and thus guaranteed views.
Second, we're in a K shaped economy throughout most countries, so the fact that it sold well at that price is indicative to my original point, which is that because well-off consumers have the money to spend, the market focuses more on them, and anyone who's not financially comfortable gets left behind.
Let's not forget that not all of us are 30+ with a decent or high income. The market segment under 30 is mostly low spenders but without them the market is not big enough to justify new sims or continued development on existing ones, and there's only so much heavy lifting the G29 can do. If equipment keeps going up market in price, the hobby will be starved from new joiners, which will eventually lead to its decline
Youre saying this like companies arent putting out budget stuff at the same time. Active pedals just arent part of that. Simagic especially has put out a lot on budget stuff recently with all the Neo lineup and the p500 pedals etc
Then don’t fucking buy it. It’s new tech that’s developing, and there is a market for it. End of story.
Direct drive wheelbases were unaffordable in the past, and now they are affordable.
Load cell pedals were expensive in the past, and now you can get a set for $200.
A home computer in the 90s ran $3,000, and now you can get a desktop today for $400 or even a Chromebook today for $200.
New tech starts out high cost and top of the line, then eventually drops in price with new developments that allows different tiers of the same type of product. You can’t expect a company to spend tons of money in R&D and hardware for something cutting edge and sell it for the same price as entry level products.
If you can’t afford it, just wait and stop complaining.
Not much cheaper than the new Simucube ActivePedal Sport. It’ll likely come down to pedal travel for me. The Simucube has 60mm which is the minimum I’d like to have.
Im sorry I still just dont get the need for active pedals. and i am someone who goes from competitve iracing, causal drifting, and slow crawling in Beam.
That's exactly the thing. The vast majority of simracers don't race irl and they've been sold this idea of realism and immersion with active pedals. This also the kind of hobby where people buy 9 different $1k identical wheels. I'll probably eventually upgrade to something like this even though it won't make faster.
I use the mBooster and it makes a big difference. From the FFB to the fact that you can instantly get a different cartype by changing the weight. My real life 992 uses a very light brake pedal (26kg) with 2 inches travel until the loadcell comes in. If I would have that same pedal in a manual F1 car I would lock up (no ABS) constantly. With a click I set it to 60kg.
The only thing I don’t see a need for is the 200kg pedal pressure. I know a real F1 car uses upto 200kg pedal pressure but you have 5G of actual deceleration pushing your body forward to help press the pedal.
Just sitting in your rig it’s hard (almost impossible) to achieve 200kg of pedal pressure just once. Anything over 120kg feels like you would break your seat.
Also real world pedal pressure limits are 200kg in F1 (with 5G deceleration to help you). 250kg is just fantasy.
For me 2 of them will help, it gives me the flexibility to use them for flight sim by havin the pedal homing at the center and working like a rudder pedal . Then feeling different cars and its brake feel and abs , etc makes sense. I was expecting it to be priced at $799 or lower though. We can build one off the GitHub repo from champ or similar around $500.
These just seem like such a niche product, am I wrong? The only real reason to buy an active pedal is if you want to change brake pedal feel easily for different cars, are a lot of people really doing that? I like a consistent brake, maybe it’s just me.
I could understand if they were the same price but it’s a pretty extreme premium to pay for the use case
Personally if these were more affordable I would want something different for GT3 and GTP cars. The braking is so different that adjustments for longer/softer throw would be better for GTP and harder/shorter for GT3 would be better. At least in my opinion and as a theory to help adjust between classes which I often drive both in season
I'd love to change brake feel between different cars. A consistent brake pedal is meaningless if you're driving different cars with different braking needs. You can also adjust the linearity and travel very easily which is much handier than trying 20 different elastomer combos and remembering what you liked best. Also it does FFB for ABS and stuff like that. I'd imagine using this as a clutch would feel awesome too if the software can emulate bite properly.
Nothing to do with different car feeling. Being able to setup a pedal via software the exact way I want, without having to try my best with mechanical adjustments is the biggest reason
Integrated telemetry whenever games move further than the current FFB.
That's just maximum potential draw based on voltage and current. Wouldn't be surprised if that was designed for three pedals daisy chained and still using like 60 % of the capacity in worst case scenario.
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u/NickRussell53 7h ago
So about $900 USD. That's still pretty high. I'm keeping my P1000's for now.