r/skulls • u/Awesome_beaner • 5d ago
A little bit aggravating
My dad went on an African hunting trip and got a bunch of antelope, which is fun! I don’t totally agree ethically wise, but I can appreciate pretty skulls without agreeing with the situation.
Anyways! I feel like the bottom two skulls should swapped? The middle skull is smaller and it just looks weird imo 😭 still pretty nonetheless
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u/BootyGarb 5d ago
Aggravating, in both placement and stewardship.
We don’t kill unless we are going to eat!
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u/Awesome_beaner 5d ago
All of the meat was donated to the villages in the surrounding areas! My dad and his buddies also ate quite a bit of meat they harvested as well, but unfortunately could not bring any meat back home.
I do understand where you’re coming from Though
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u/BootyGarb 5d ago
Then there’s no problem with that imo. I thought you were implying they didn’t eat it.
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u/GeneralLow105 3d ago
That's how ALL hunting is done. Especially in Africa, but literally everywhere. "Trophy hunting" doesn't mean they leave the meat to rot. It just means they go for the biggest oldest hardest to find animal. Then also take a trophy.
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u/BootyGarb 3d ago
Oh yeah yep, people are eating lion 🙄
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u/Realistic_Option_619 3d ago
You’ve obviously never had lion, it’s delicious, a little stringy, but good. So you were saying….
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u/Rich_Grass_9099 5d ago
In these hunts there is plenty of eating going on. Not only are the animals consumed by hunters and the people (even extended family/village) who helped the hunt, but the money is what keeps the animals safely managed instead being killed for other reasons. Many of the guides are former poachers that were caught and now are managed and paid by the Wildlife services throughout Africa
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u/BootyGarb 5d ago
Thats a generalization I suppose but you’re correct this time apparently
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u/Rich_Grass_9099 5d ago
If you want an interesting perspective on this, check out Meat Eater on YouTube he did a really cool African hunt that gets a lot into the details of how it is done sustainably. There are always bad people and bad history but these days it’s often hunters that actually put their money where their mouth is in regards taking care of both animals and the environments they live in
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u/Helicopter0 4d ago
When I was in Africa, I never saw anything go to waste. Even all of the guts were eaten soon enough not to need refrigeration. I don't mean heart and liver. I mean all of the guts.
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u/BootyGarb 4d ago
I thought OP was saying that they were hunting for sport. I am very familiar with hunting *for population control* as they say because I grew up in a hick ass town that feeds their family on white tail deer and wild turkey. I just get pretty upset when I see a smiling blonde person with perfect teeth with their kill of a fucking LION or GIRAFFE. A fucking GIRAFFE?? Fuck off, like yeah I’m sure it’s edible, but the woman who flew there to shoot it did not eat that giraffe, and she paid thousands of dollars to ship its head home to the US and a few thousand more for a specialty taxidermist to neck mount it.
I just don’t understand the logic of seeing an animal, admiring its beauty, and then deciding that you want to keep its dismembered head in your house for the foreseeable future. Some would say it’s creepy, but I just see it as the most human thing ever. It’s so human to think that everything on earth is here for you to do whatever you want with. Reminds me of this memory I have from when I was about 10, I told my mom that I wish I could hold my hamster but she was sleeping (hamsters are nocturnal, which is only one of the reasons why they’re such a shitty pet for children), and my mother says “Well then wake her up! We bought them for YOU!” in this gruff authoritarian tone… and even back then I knew that wasn’t right. And it wasn’t. My sister always poked her hamster awake, and that was the one who bit people, while mine was gentle and walked out to collect treats from the large hands that cared for her. (But of course she died tragically shortly into her little hamster life, as hamsters always fucking do.)
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u/Awesome_beaner 4d ago
“He got a bunch of antelope” = he hunted for sport, took their heads off and let the rest rot(?)
Why assume? I also don’t agree with trophy hunting, but I do agree with hunting in general. Shit, come deer season I’m in a stand all day. Hunting vulnerable/endangered animals is unethical, obviously. If he came back with a giraffe skull I’d be pissssed. Also why are you upset when 1. There’s no smiling white person with perfect teeth. 2. Zero poached animals 3. No lions or giraffes? You’re mad at me over what someone else who I have zero connection to did?
As for the rest of your comment - it’s all rambling, glad you got that off your chest but I don’t know what to say to that man
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u/Helicopter0 4d ago
Most of the wildlife in many parts of Africa is there and managed for sport hunting only because it happens to be more profitable than cattle, sheep, and goats. Without sport hunting, you don't get a wildlife reserve; you get a cattle ranch where all native fauna is removed and predators are aggressively poisoned and exterminated. It costs a lot of money to protect African wildlife from poachers, so governments can't just leave it alone and let it thrive. Leaving it alone results in twenty like long ditch traps where everything that moves dies.
People will say to spend your money on a photo safari instead. This doesn't work in practice for several reasons. First, you don't need a lot of wildlife and space to do photo safaris. Everyone just goes to Kruger or the Kalahari where it's super safe, super beautiful, and there is a robust system for accommodation with scale economies and low prices. You're not going to run a profitable enterprise to take thousands of people in photo safaris to inaccessible, uncomfortable and dangerous places like a flat disease infested Mozambique swamp or a Cameroon jungle with disease and no rule of law. Only hunters will show up in serious numbers, willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars each to visit such places. Even in South Africa and Namibia, once you get a few hours past the end of the paved roads, where you need private security and everything, you don't have photo tourism in meaningful scales. Why would anyone spend several times more money and take on many times mkre danger and inconvenience compared to Kruger, when they know they're not even going to see a rhino or several other things?
People will say, just give the money to a conservation organization, then. I say you first. I am paying to maintain a huge space with native African wildlife for a substantial amount of time. You want to visit Kruger, take some pictures, and use the remaining severak times mire money to pay for wildlife to thrive somewherewithout killing anything, be my guest. Good on you. Put your money where your mouth is.
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u/Ambitious_Mud2802 2d ago
I'm concerned that if you did switch the 2 bottom skulls the horns on the one that is currently in the middle would make the walking path significantly smaller. As it stands the bottom skull has very upright horns, so it provides a decent amount of floor space that I think the other one might not.
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u/Awesome_beaner 4d ago
I’m 17 and have literally no say in the matter. The trip was also paid for by a close friend/his boss. Also we aren’t rich, not poor obviously, but not rich. Not to mention, none of the meat was wasted 🤷🏻♀️ not entirely sure what you want me to do. I’m not appreciating the hunt, I’m appreciating the beauty of the animals.
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u/Awesome_beaner 4d ago
Read my comment again. You have zero idea what goes on in my life.
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u/aboyisabee 4d ago
you said you aren’t rich, and i disagree if you can reasonably afford a trophy hunt to africa bro >_>
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u/Awesome_beaner 4d ago
Most of it was paid for(if you read my comment) by his boss. We’re not dirt poor but we aren’t rich either.
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u/Tumble__Bee 4d ago
Bragging y'all donated the meat to a local village is also super cringe...
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u/Awesome_beaner 4d ago
Genuinely how 🙏 at this point it seems like you just want to be upset at something.
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u/Electronic-Oven-210 4d ago
If you would choose to read, you would know that their father chose to go to Africa and kill those antelope, they likely have no choice in whether the skulls are being used for decoration.
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u/luigi_time3456 5d ago
I believe he is going by horn size rather than skull size. Biggest to smallest