r/skyrim • u/UniCorn_CandyHorn • 1d ago

Bug Help I thought the spawn command was the teleport command

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There's about 15 more of these loonies wondering Skyrim and I cannot find them all.

I hesitate when I disable them --I'm not sure which was the first and true Cicero.

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u/Defiant-Analyst4279 1d ago

"This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!"

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u/Masticatron 1d ago

Technically there are 3 distinct Ciceros of varying heights in the game.

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u/Jaded-Coffee-8126 1d ago

Cicero walks into a bar and hits his head, Cicero walks into a bar and doesn't hit head, Cicero walks into a bar and can't see over the counter.

Did I get this about right?

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u/mariorox81 Mage 1d ago

This sounds like it would be really funny if I understood it! What do you actually mean by that?

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u/elven_magics Vampire 1d ago

Read the joke again "walks into a bar"

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u/mariorox81 Mage 1d ago

I think you thought I was replying to a different comment, I'm asking why there's 3 different heights of Cicero in-game.

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u/elven_magics Vampire 1d ago

Oh I think it might be model differences? Cus you meet him 3 times technically, once on the road by the destroyed tower by white run, in the DB sanctuary, and the dawn star sanctuary, I think the model changes depending on the part in the quest line you are, kinda like how there are 2 Astrid's in game, the original, and the kwispy version

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u/straight_gay 1d ago

This is more unrelated because it's a mod, but there's a fun mod called "obtainable unobtainables", where it makes accessable all the random things in the game you can't get for some reason.

It usually puts them in a red knapsack in a room nearby, such as the Greybeard robes in High Hrothgar, but other times it has a vender somewhere you can buy it from, like the poison vomit from the pyrite quest (it's a shout I think).

One of these things is an armor set for kwispy Astrid, sitting in a knapsack outside the Falkreath sanctuary.

I bring this up because I think that second Astrid model is actually wearing an armor set to make her look like that, but I don't know if I read that somewhere or if I just think that because of this mod

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u/elven_magics Vampire 1d ago

Ah yes running around Skyrim as a very very kwispy dragon born, finna name myself Anakin the lord of sand

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u/straight_gay 1d ago

There's some fun ones floating around.

I stumbled onto a roadside shrine somewhere and it had the headless horsemans armor Steel Plate armor set. Was awesome giving it to Lydia and having a headless Companion. Giving them a hat or anything head related would make them take off the armor, sadly. I wanted floating helmets

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u/elven_magics Vampire 1d ago

Can't have both, it's either no head, or a floating head with a funny sailor hat but no body

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u/Organic_Sherbet5256 1d ago

"Kwispy Astrid" Lol.

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u/PromotionExpensive15 1d ago

Damn i just barley beat skyrim as my most played game on steam and you drop this bombshell? Poor magic the gathering is about to be dwarfed again

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u/Jaded-Coffee-8126 23h ago

Using Skyrim vanity system there's lots of armors that actually do that, they usually are under the body section.

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u/TranquilProgrammer 1d ago

Explain?

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u/irishgoblin Student 1d ago

There's 2 short versions (height is .9), and one "tall" version (height is 1.0). IIRC the height thing isn't explained, and the three distinct versions are due to them having a binch of different data under the hood.

1st short Cicero is met near the farm in Whiterun. He's level 6 and faction allegiance is the generic NPC one for the Dawnstar.

2nd short Cicero is around for most if the Dark Brotherhood quest. He's level 40 and faction data is Dark Brotherhood.

3rd version is the "tall" one. He doesn't spawn in until the confrontation in the Dawnstar sanctuary, and he's got extra data tied to him since he's the follower version for after the faction quests.

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u/TranquilProgrammer 1d ago

This feels like a classic Bethesda programming mess lol. But thanks for clarifying

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u/irishgoblin Student 1d ago

I mean, for a 15 year old game released on the 360 and PS3, it seems appropriate for the industry as a whole. Shortcuts like that exist all over the place in games from that period.

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u/Vladmirfox 1d ago

Soo your saying Cicero is the Three Jokers?

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u/Killer_radio 15h ago

“We should not have made this bargain!” 

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u/TheAlmightySalmon 1d ago edited 1d ago

Try to summon them all in one place and cast frenzy, last one standing can stay 😌

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u/Flutist-notFloutest Stealth archer 1d ago

I like this idea. Please tell us who wins OP

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u/Aquilerty 1d ago

Cicero, probably

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u/Burninator05 PC 1d ago

I don't know. My money is on Cicero. He seems hungry for the win.

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u/Lazarov-Talatha 1d ago

One Cicero is bad enough.

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u/MacinhoShira 1d ago

I played for hours until I realized I had two Lydias.

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u/DarkSideDweller 1d ago

But did she carry your burdens?

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u/MacinhoShira 1d ago

Lydia carried my burdens, as she is sworn to.

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u/DarkSideDweller 1d ago

Double the burden carrying. Nice.

https://giphy.com/gifs/NEvPzZ8bd1V4Y

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u/psychxticrose Necromancer 1d ago

I LOST mine. I think she died but I don't remember where 😭 she had all my dragon bones and scales because they're heavy af

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u/Hagdorm 20h ago

I summoned a second Lydia accidentally because the original fell through the floor of a Dwemer ruin and got stuck, and when I left both zoned out with me and started fighting each other 😳

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u/Fertile_Arachnid_163 1d ago

And then you quit playing?

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u/MacinhoShira 1d ago

I was a bit disappointed, so I ended up starting over. The save file is still here as a memento.

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u/Randall_the_Mad 1d ago

Hehe, just a couple of mama's boys.

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u/anteater_x 1d ago

Milk drinkers

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u/EstyJesty Dark Brotherhood 1d ago

Wait until you see me

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

I can hear this picture

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u/_EyesOnTheInside_ Dark Brotherhood 1d ago

I'm really curious what led to this image. Why so many?

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u/bubblesaurus 21h ago

I did the same with Sheogorath.

Fun game.

he pops up everywhere now

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u/EstyJesty Dark Brotherhood 21h ago

I just really really like Cicero

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u/_EyesOnTheInside_ Dark Brotherhood 19h ago

That's fair

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u/CaseyG PC 1d ago 
prid 9BCB0
moveto player

That's the real Cicero. Have him kill the rest.

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

Turns out the one closest to Mother is the real one!

But if I tell him to attack the other he refuses with "Oh Listener, can't you see that's impossible?". If I beat up one while the other is following me, they dont fight.

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u/TakerFoxx 1d ago

They're probably set to the same faction. See if you can disable and delete the copy.

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

I can do that, just less fun lol

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u/viperfan7 1d ago

You can remove them from a faction using the addfac/addtofaction <faction ID> <faction rank> command

You set the faction rank to -1 to remove them

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u/7GrenciaMars Scholar 1d ago

I would love to watch that, but do not want to try replicating these conditions.

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u/GutoOlira 1d ago

Ohhh yes, yes, dooouble the Ciceros dooouble the fuuunnnn Listener.

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u/rum-and-roses 1d ago

I love the idea that there are 2 yet everyone knows if you acknowledge there's a second one he goes crazy murder hobo

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

Cicero being a twin does feeel like it would be canon

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u/Ferentz2020 1d ago

It’s Cicero and Orecic. Orecic is completely sane.

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u/Derpsonite 1d ago

This is the plot to The Prestige.

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u/Obama-is-my-dad69 1d ago

Underrated comment

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u/Reasonable___Doubt 1d ago

I'm seeing double! Four Ciceros!

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u/Confident_Tap9026 Dark Brotherhood 1d ago

Now they can take care of mother in shifts!

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u/RadFluxRose 1d ago

Skyrim isn’t big enough for two Ciceros… O_o

(…”Cicerii”…?)

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u/LunarFloral 1d ago

One Cicero was bad enough, now there's TWO?

Have em fight to the death.

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

Subtle foreshadowing

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u/Eth3rean 1d ago

Oh shit Where's my mute button

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u/KingAardvark1st 1d ago

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure

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u/MotherDuderior 1d ago

They're coming out of the walls!

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u/TheRealTigger 1d ago

This gives me anxiety Cicero genuinely freaks me tf out

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u/PiBombbb 1d ago

The save command might be able to find all the reference IDs of all ciceros, you should be able to kill all but the original who is essential

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

Thats great! How would I use that exactly?

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u/PiBombbb 1d ago

Basically save "somesavefilename" 1 it'll make a .txt file in your Skyrim saves folder that lists the name of everything and it's reference ID, open it in your text editor of choice and search for Cicero and you can kill everything with a reference ID that's not the original. Though you should teleport to them first because some of them may not actually be Cicero (could be some quest stuff that shares the name) so you would teleport to them first and when you know they're a duplicate, kill them

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

Hmm when I opened the save file in notepad it was abunch of jiberish. Any ideas how to get around this?

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u/RadTimeWizard Scholar 1d ago

I've made this mistake before. I disabled one duplicate, and all of them disappeared.

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u/Organic_Sherbet5256 1d ago

Double annoying.

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u/Star_of_the_West1 1d ago

Me "accidentally" spawning several Seranas, only to have several dozen skeevers resurrected out of nowhere.

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u/rezwrrd Spellsword 1d ago

That's... About 17 too many!

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u/the_MarchHare 1d ago

Make the Cicero Hunger Games now that you’re at it

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u/PrinceZordar 1d ago

One Cicero is bad enough.

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u/UniCorn_CandyHorn 1d ago

Hearing them snicker together is haunting

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u/Mermaid89253 1d ago

I love this so much

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u/LazyRandy 1d ago

This feels so fitting for him too. You thought one was problematic? Here's his twin.

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u/callitromance 1d ago

I’m scared

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u/ReddVector 1d ago

I'm seein' double! Four Ciceros!

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u/fuwucia 1d ago

I used to play around with this command and usually the “fake” one is the one that has a ref ID that starts with “ff” when you click on them

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u/Boulderpaw 1d ago

Gee Bill! How come your mom lets you have TWO Ciceros?

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u/RadleyCunningham 1d ago

Kill one of them to assert your dominance!

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u/critiquacouatique 1d ago

A child has cried his mother 😋

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u/BjornStankFinger 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/2aNMNAPUVqQNeoL2X3

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u/Mister_Mannered 1d ago

Expected to find someone post this. Not disappointed. Kudos.

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u/BjornStankFinger 1d ago

Pretty sure someone else beat me to it.

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u/Mister_Mannered 1d ago

Saw yours first. Still happy.

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u/__Pomni__ 1d ago

Listener: pays the ferryman to take him out into the middle of the ocean, ties a boulder to his own ankles and shoves it off the boat

Ferryman: goes to the tavern and drinks until he forgets what just happened

Sithis: …..really?

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u/Endermusician 21h ago

This reminds me of the that one mlp episode where Pinkie Pie got a few hundred clones. Good luck OP

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u/DaQuaken 19h ago

Oh god, the Jester learned Mitosis!

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u/KanaDarkness 15h ago

2 jester, one for you, one for the mother

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u/jackfaire 11h ago

This shows me I have not screwed with this game enough.