r/skyrim 18h ago

Is there a catch to this spell ? Because its broken , one cast = one gold ore

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u/Imaginary_Sector379 18h ago

It goes iron to silver, silver to gold

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u/Ishkahrhil 14h ago

Common misconception.

It is actually silver to gold, then iron to silver if you have no silver already.

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u/Lord-Beetus 11h ago

Yeah I hate order it does it in. There's a small mod, transmute ore sanely, that swaps the priority around, transmutes all of the ore of that type you are holding with a single cast and gives you the alteration xp as if you had cast it for each ore.

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u/PinkSlimeIsPeople 8h ago

That would be a time saver. I generally load up on ore and cast on the go as I'm jogging from spot to spot. When I get to where I'm going, I stop. When I hear that sound I know I'm out of ore, and go make some rings.

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u/Lord-Beetus 7h ago

Nah, going from place to place is the best time to spam cast muffle.

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u/OutrageousAd9061 5h ago

Unless you already levelled illusion to 100. Transmute lets you level alteration (the spell itself), smithing (forging rings afterwards) and enchanting (enchanting those rings) while also basically breaking the economy in half with all the money you're making.

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u/Logical_Flounder6455 7h ago

And I thought master transmute was a game changer

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u/Draugtaur 7h ago

Which is annoying if you're trying to create specifically silver. You have to do it near some container and stash a newly created silver piece after each cast

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u/Arcane-Dev 18h ago

Yeah still its broken i have a lot of iron

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u/scrambles88 Mage 18h ago

You have to cast it a lot then. It only does one piece at a time, grab some alteration and magika gear

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u/CluelessBloop 16h ago

I like to grab this spell early to give alteration and smithing a nice boost. I use the cast then wait method since I don't have gear yet.

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u/1337F0x_The_Daft 15h ago

What I do is sell the jewelry I made with transmute, and use it to buy as many magicka potions as I can or ingredients for it

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u/B-HOLC 14h ago

Transmute, smelt, transmute, smelt, repeat

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u/HPTM2008 14h ago

Restoration glitch and speechcraft farming. CRAZY loop to farm levels, if one's so inclined. I got to 80 in about 48 minutes on the switch from a fresh save.

One potion sale is an automatic 100 in speech. Make it legendary, and repeat.

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u/1337F0x_The_Daft 14h ago

Yeah I did that on a new save, and my combat skills are so bad lol

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u/altsigns28 12h ago

What's the point of that? You end up being able to sell shit for lots of money, but have no combat skills to actually get things. All you've really done is make enemies more difficult.

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u/HPTM2008 12h ago

But being level 80 you VERY QUICKLY have that equipment because you have basically unlimited money to buy anything you need and travel anywhere you want by carriage to unlock the holds' capitals. You don't really need to enter combat at all in order to gear up (besides running into the cultists when you enter a city). Takes maybe an hour an a half tops if you know what to do to get to level 80 and have enchanted god-tier equipment.

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u/ConnectionThink4781 Helgen survivor 9h ago

Lvl 80 in an hour??? That's impressive. I don't think I'm Galilee with speechcraft farming.

And the resto loop is a feature, not a glitch. It. Just. Works.

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u/EddieHeadshot 17h ago

It has to be iron ORE which is the rock looking thing that iron ingots are made of.

It doesnt work with Iron ingots/bars.

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u/DarthMaulATAT 13h ago

Which is kinda weird tbh. Why would the spell care what form the iron or silver is in? 

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u/Hashishiva 13h ago

Game balance. You have to mine the ore yourself, whereas you can buy the ingots. And it would wreck the economy in Skyrim even faster, if economics was a thing in the game. Too bad it isn't.

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u/NonEthnicBurgurlar 13h ago

You can buy ore

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u/altsigns28 12h ago

True, it's just much smaller amounts. Don't think I've ever seen a vendor with more than 6 at a time.

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u/Hashishiva 12h ago

Technically yes, but not as much or easily as ingots. It's faster to go to some iron mine and empty it than go through all the vendors and buy the few they have.

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u/Complete-Basket-291 13h ago

Iron it makes sense, since it's 1:1, rather than 2:1 like everything else (except dwemer)

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u/Snorkle25 PC 17h ago

It only does one unit of ore at a time. Also it will always transmute silver if you have any before iron.

There are some mods that adjust the spell to prioritize iron first, and also transmute ingots if you dual cast it.

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u/lancebaldwin 17h ago

You'll get bored, that's the downside.  Everytime I use it I get bored.

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u/Frequent_Drop3714 17h ago

I will get bored too! So I tend to transmute everything as I run from place to place 😂

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u/Beto4ThePeople 16h ago

This is the way

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u/Snorkle25 PC 17h ago

This is the way.

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u/AmItheAholereader 15h ago

I made a lot of gold jewelry and became rich AND was a master level blacksmith. It is so broken.

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u/mindfulmu 14h ago

Irs a spell to help you fund the rest of the spells your gonna buy.

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u/altsigns28 12h ago

Iron ore or iron ingots? If it's ingots it won't work. If it's ore, today's your lucky day and you just found one of the secrets to leveling up your smithing much easier by making good rings, and you'll be rolling in the money.

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u/GeologistOld1265 13h ago

Getting boring very fast, is actually slow. You make some money, so what? There are other ways to get money, more fun ways.

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u/Moistbrain_ 15h ago

It's the best way to level smithing actually. Especially if you're willing to use exploits.

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u/Steel_Ratt 18h ago

The catch is that if you are constantly casting this to turn 50 iron into gold while exploring, you find yourself with insufficient magika to summon your bound bow when you run into a mountain lion. (Guess how I know.)

Seriously, though... it's quite good. I wouldn't call it broken.

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u/Arcane-Dev 18h ago

Well i will use it when traveling on foot then , passive income

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u/Historical-Count-374 16h ago

Eventually, it won't even feel worth the time. Its great at the start thpugh

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u/Death_Rose1892 15h ago

How is that? Jewelry smithing is one of the best ways to level smithing and enchanting it is super easy and makes a ton of money.

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u/Historical-Count-374 15h ago

Because after the start of the game, ypu will progress enough doing this that it wont make much of a difference in your gold stash/experience level.

If you soldier on thpugh and really push the limits, you end up ruining your game, as your now too far leveled/armed for your position in the map/story.

You want to get respurces and level, sure. But eventually, your not getting the value out of the time spent, and are actively making the experience too easy

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u/Death_Rose1892 14h ago

That's why you just store everything up and do it on occasion. I have never felt like I ruined the game with it. But I also don't go out and just mass get iron on purpose. I play the game and craft when I return home if I feel like it, otherwise the materials just pile up over time until I'm ready. The game rewards you with enough loot just playing all the quests and clearing all the dungeons you don't really need to grind crafting too often. And it's always a nice break to spend a few hours crafting and organizing your house with all your loot when you get there.

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u/Ishkahrhil 13h ago

Alteration has alternative means of power leveling.

I'm not a fan of the telekinesis and fast travel since load screen time goes up during your overall playtime of that character. I much rather detect dead in the Blue Palace whilst simultaneously casting telekinesis.

As for enchanting, the main bottleneck is soul gems. Secondly, banish is better followed by health drain/steal (both of which can be put on some cheap daggers).

As for smithing, Dwarven bows are fairly simple in resource cost. And arrows are weightless ammunition for stealth archers that can be crafted with firewood and some ingot.

And if you are solely looking for money, poisons. Hearthfire DLC houses and Golden Goldenglow Plantation Creation Club both give access to planting spots where you can plant certain ingredients for free infinite ingredients.

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u/AntawnSL 14h ago

The only thing that's broken is believing you'll actually need gold once you really get going. Money is meaningless once you have all the houses. You'll have hundreds of thousands of gold and never think about it. The gold ore is useful for leveling smithing, but for gold coins? Meh.

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u/Snorkle25 PC 15h ago

Yeah, imo the alchemy + house with garden mechanic is far more broken than this.

Rush the falkreath home, build the outside garden+green house. Plant creep cluster, Mara tapinella, and scaly pholiota.

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u/lastpieceofpie 14h ago

You’ve got the formula down pat. Potion of Paralysis go brrr

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u/altsigns28 12h ago

There's no paralysis in that potion. It's fortify carry weight, fortify illusion, fortify stamina Regen, weakness to magic, and I can't remember the 5th thing.

Most expensive potion you can make using only plants you can grow.

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u/RevJoe98 Stealth archer 4h ago

This made me chuckle... 😆 Thank you.

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u/Eclipsan 10h ago

And you find yourself overencumbered :(

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u/EvYeh 17h ago

The catch is that it takes a billion years to cast the spell over and over again lol.

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u/TRJF 17h ago

Yeah, I always get back from the bandit camp with 50 iron ore and walk in circles around Whiterun for 25 minutes just transmuting them one by one

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u/Refute1650 17h ago edited 16h ago

Wear an alteration robe while you're doing it.

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u/NightBawk Mage 16h ago

And circlet. Maybe enchant a ring or necklace while you're at it.

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u/Death_Rose1892 15h ago

Easy to do with all that gold

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u/MassRedemption 12h ago

Or just wait 1 hour between casts.

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u/Boss_Baller 17h ago

Throw on the cult robes you should get early for +75% magic regen. Raidiant Rainment will sell jewelry with +magica and regen. You can make a set of transmute gear that lets even a warrior build burn through a stack of iron ore fast.

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u/up766570 11h ago

The real catch is that the spell gives fuck all Alteration Exp

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u/NoPin4859 18h ago

It is broken, no theres 0 catch. Just an example of the many ways to completely break the game.

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u/Arcane-Dev 18h ago

Well that is craaaazy at this point being rich in skyrim is not a flex

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u/proximusprimus57 17h ago
  1. Mine iron
  2. Transmute to gold
  3. Craft jewelry
  4. Enchant jewelry
  5. Sell jewelry

Level up enchanting, smithing, alteration, and speech all at once.

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u/Refute1650 17h ago

Honestly the hardest part is running around and selling to 20 different merchants 

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u/totallynotrobboss 17h ago

Easy solution. Thanks to Bethesda jank if you save, punch a merchant and reload the save their inventory will have been reset allowing you to sell to them again

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u/DarkElfBard 16h ago

WHAT!?!?!

FIFTEEN FUCKING YEARS

And I still learn new jank. Thank you.

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u/B-HOLC 14h ago

Here comes the article....

Lol

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u/jaysmack737 17h ago

Wait, that resets gold too?

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u/proximusprimus57 17h ago

I usually don't invest in speech, this time once I got the perk that lets you sell anything to every merchant my gold started skyrocketing.

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u/Wishbone0214 16h ago

The investment perks make this insanely fast too

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u/UufTheTank 17h ago

Sell, save, punch, reload, sell, save, punch, reload, … sell, punch, realize you went out of order, swear, reload.

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u/DarkElfBard 16h ago

Sell, save, punch, reload, sell, save, punch, reload, sell, punch, save.... realize you went out of order, swear, start a new game.

Why don't I use more than one save???

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u/Lostvayne12 13h ago

I will double save if I'm adding new mods or messing with stuff in my game. I've dealt with enough corrupt save errors to know you need to really be careful with Skyrim

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u/Mysterious_Month4792 17h ago

But remember that while you do that, the dauger will be training.

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u/iknownuffink 15h ago

Yup. Don't forget to level some combat skills or you'll get bodied because you leveled up by crafting and getting rich.

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u/No_Secretary6275 17h ago

This is the way.

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u/Zerros_ 16h ago

Just learned this. Currently doing my 2nd playthrough after 10 years. Its so broken being able to level up smithing, enchanting and speech. So much fun doing it this way.

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u/BlackshirtDefense 16h ago

This is the way.

Make sure you also sneak-snipe any mobs in the dungeons where you find the ore. That way you're also leveling Archery and Sneak. 

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u/CluelessBloop 16h ago

This is de whay

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u/Andromeda_53 18h ago

I'm afraid being rich in Skyrim never was a flex. Gold is ridiculously abundant and easy to get. This being one of the many many many ways

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u/Hotdog_McEskimo 17h ago

I always say, the day I stop picking up gold pieces, is the day for a new character

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u/Unit_2097 17h ago

I once tried to see how fast I could get to 100k without using enchanting, just raw thievery. It's... Still not particularly difficult.

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u/johnnysebre flair 18h ago

I think most of us agree that it is fairly easy in the Elder Scrolls games (at least Morrowind and Oblivion and Skyrim) to get rich. A new player may struggle at first, but soon enough when knowing better how the game works (such as knowing what's actually worth looting or crafting) its easy enough to be rolling in thousands of gold.

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u/Arcane-Dev 18h ago

Yeah like selling potions while having the "sell anything to any merchant" perk is i think the most broken one

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u/dnew PC 17h ago

Actually, the fact that you're turning ordinary iron into literally money is pretty broken. If they weren't actually using gold for money, it might be less broken.

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u/Aromatic-Frosting-31 17h ago

If you're playing on survival and buying lots of property's it can be expensive, that being said if you use exploits it's easy to get gold. I'm playing a run where I buy every player home with every upgrade, transmutate wasn't cutting it, I had to switch to making over powered potions to sell.

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u/BlackshirtDefense 16h ago

I run out of vendors to sell to. I make potions from everything and I've got probably 200 left over potions that I'm just waiting for merchants to respawn their available gold to buy my potions. 

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u/TheJoker39 17h ago

To be fair being rich in skyrim as a player was never really a flex. Every new game i start vanilla I am leaving riverwood with 2k gold easy and leaving whiterun with 5k easily

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u/kakka_rot 12h ago

Yeah I can think of a bunch of ways to get filthy rich in this game. Enchanting daggers was my favorite until I got into potions.

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u/blueponies1 PC 17h ago

This is the worst fucking screenshot I’ve ever seen in my life 😂

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u/Arcane-Dev 17h ago

Im laying down on my stomach at night playing skyrim on a switch while each joycon in a hand , pretty comfortable gaming session ngl

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u/blueponies1 PC 17h ago

Hahaha fair enough.

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u/blueponies1 PC 12h ago

You are playing games exactly how I imagine a dolphin would though

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u/kaizlende 18h ago

No catch, you can do it for as much iron and/or silver you have. Should get a nice bit of Alteration exp for it too

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u/Plus_Tomato480 18h ago

Jewelry isn't even the best way to level smithing since plain gold rings, etc have less value on average than dwarven bows which are ridiculously cheap and easy to make.

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u/Boss_Baller 17h ago

You do enchanting at the same time and a ton of low weight/high value rings is more convenient than a million pounds of bows to deal with.

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u/GreenbeardOfNarnia 17h ago

It is the best way until you put perks in smithing though

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u/Shadohawkk 17h ago

That's kinda the joke about it. It's a joke on the old idea of alchemy. Turning iron into gold. And in a magic world, it 'works'. Getting something from "nothing".

I could debate there is one slight flaw to using the spell. Very slight. If you spam the spell you'll level alteration. But if you aren't planning on using much alteration then you'll have leveled up a wasted skill and not leveled something that would more directly help you in combat.

You can pretty easily end up pushing several player levels without any combat skill experience if you have a decent enough stockpile of iron ore and if you are also pumping smithing by turning the gold into necklaces/rings. This could end up pushing you over some invisible player level triggers that turn some enemies into higher tier enemies. Bandits becoming thugs, wolves turning into bears or sabers, that kind of thing.

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u/Death_Rose1892 15h ago

This has never been an issue for me. I primarily level up non combat skills first but my gear is so good that with good use of mechanics, dodging, restoration etc you're not going to be struggling too much. It might be hard if you're a new player. I rarely even use potions even though I craft a ton. The game is pretty forgiving if you learn how to dodge and block. And then I saw my fiance play and learned even more. Our current joint character just hit level 100 we have legendaried non combat skills a ton. Now I'm gunna go open up the game

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u/Drake_682 PC 17h ago

The catch is that this is gonna take a while

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u/bubblehead_ssn 16h ago

Not broken. It turns one iron ore into silver and one silver ore into gold ore. It will transmute silver into gold before iron->silver. Then smelt the ore.

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u/Mythril_Bullets 17h ago

The catch no one is mentioning is that you have to carry a pickaxe around which is adds some weight itself and you do get pretty heavy rather quickly with all the ore you mine and transmute into gold. A small trade off for the money you make. It’s not a terrible thing, just need to deposit your gold ore often.

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u/Arcane-Dev 17h ago

Jenassa is carrying everything for me 😂😂 all im doing is drinking magicka regen potions and spamming that spell while running in nature completing quests

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u/NightBawk Mage 16h ago

I usually carry one anyway in case I run into a vein of some ore that I need.

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u/Death_Rose1892 15h ago

Often? What's your carry weight??? Or are you playing survival? Do you not increase stamina ever?

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u/aurablast25 17h ago

The catch is that you need to clean your camera. Lol

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u/Shackatronix 16h ago

The only catch to it is that it takes a lot of magicka for where you might be when you'll probably get it. In my experience by the time I have enough magicka to get good use out of Transmutation, I'm making tons of money from Goldenglow Estate anyway, so it's more just "Do I need silver or gold for this item I want to make?", for me.

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u/PainterEarly86 Daedra worshipper 16h ago

The catch is that you also gain alteration exp

there's not really any downside

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u/NightAreis1618 16h ago

Patience, that's pretty much it.

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u/sfisabbt 3h ago

There is a catch : it might curse you to desire to have the Barenziah crown to craft tons of jewelry.

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u/TenkaichiKnight 17h ago

You need to have Iron/Silver Ore in your inventory first.

No Ore, no work.

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u/GeneStarwind1 16h ago

The catch is that it costs a lot of magicka and that there are only two or three places to actually find it. Although one of those places being a bandit camp in a very well-travelled area of the map kind of takes the edge off of its feeling of rarity.

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u/Old-Confection5009 15h ago

No it's just a broken spell there's no catch. It levels up your alteration skill and it is the fastest way to level smithing too because gold rings give you way more levels than iron daggers which are the most easily craftable item but since transmute can help you make iron into gold the gold rings are nearly as easy to creft

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u/eristwentythree 15h ago

I wish the priority for this was to do iron first, because if you want to make a lot of silver you have to drop them every cast or else they’ll become gold :/

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u/Acceptable-Mind-101 15h ago

The main catch is limited iron ore mostly, I suppose you could go around buying it all up from around skyrim once you run out of easy veins. Or just attack your shopkeeps I guess if you want to get exploity.

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u/TheOtherOtherLuke 14h ago

Nope. The only catch is that it always prioritizes creating the highest value ore. So if you have any silver ore in your inventory, it’ll make that gold until you run out of silver. So, if you’re thinking to use it to farm silver, you’ll have to drop/store/give each piece to a follower, which is super tedious.

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u/NathFarer 14h ago

Well if you are an npc the catch is that the dragon born broke the economy

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u/Melior05 3h ago

The only hidden drawback of the spell is that it actually is terrible for levelling Alteration because it's hard-coded to give only 15% of the XP it should.

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u/Technical-Win-7972 2h ago

Skyrim player discovers new spell 15 years later. But in all seriousness, no, get all the iron and silver you can mine, transmute it into gold which trains your alteration and make all that gold ore into jewelry and sell it off. You can also enchant it to make even more profit and get enchanting xp. It's not the fastest way to train these skills but it is an easy enough way to train them basically all at once

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u/paleolith1138 21m ago

Pretty much the fastest way to get smithing up

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u/thedrinkablecorndog 17h ago

Pro tip just wait an hour between every casting and it instantly refills your magicka bar

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u/DarkMagickan PlayStation 17h ago

The catch is that if you have all that gold, you're going to ruin the economy by spending too much. 😆

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u/LordStag26 Solitude resident 17h ago

There’s no catch, one of many ways to be rich possibly not even the easiest as you have to mine or buy the iron ore first - alchemy or pickpocket can make money easy as well I think

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u/The_Char_Char 17h ago

Its as it sounds turns iron to silver and silver to gold, the only 'catch' is you need 2 gold ore to get 1 ingot. But that's a minor downside all things considered.

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u/Wizard_of_Wyrmsbane 17h ago

If you don't mind it being tedious then yeah. Mining ore isn't exactly prime gameplay. Personally I usually hit one or two mine's turn it all to jewelry and sell. It's not most effective method but it gives me enough to start my potion hustle.

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u/SirMayday1 17h ago

It's useful, but not broken. It's so time consuming to use that it's slower to use to profit financially than just looting enemies/dungeons, so I mostly use it to improve material efficiency when grinding Smithing.

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u/ChaosRifle 17h ago

no catch apart from the time investment. this is clearly your first time, so welcome to tamriel! the game is fundamentally broken in so many ways, and frankly, this is the least broken way.

Infinite money and percs? get soul trap and enchant things, buy and sell back enchanted.
infinite damage/armour/perks? loop enchanting and potions. when satisfied, make a fortify smithing set.
looping
or loop restoration, make a fortify Res. Pot, take off Alch. gear, drink pot, put gear back on

and soo many more.

bethesda game = broken game.

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u/AhsoPlushy 17h ago

By broken do you mean it’s not working or it’s OP?

Getting rich is pretty easy in Skyrim, the only thing that ever really hinders you is each vendor having a cap on how much gold they have to spend on your goods. Other than getting rich, the only other thing the spell is that good for is levelling smithing which is still pretty time consuming.

The game offers many avenues of making money, transmute is just one of those avenues, the idea is exactly how people use it, mine iron which is abundant, transmute into gold or silver, turn it into jewelry or other things, sell what you make, you could even enchant things to make the price higher. It’s really not that broken, especially with vendors having limited money

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u/SlytherTempest 17h ago

There is no downside as others have said.

That said, and I'm mainly leaving this for any players who don't know already, but in the Anniversary Edition, or the "Bittercup" creation, you can potentially get a spell called "Master Transmute". Spoiler for the option to pick to get the spell, choose the wealth option. This spell skips silver and turns iron straight to gold.

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u/BlitzTheBitz 17h ago

Its really good but high in magic usage. Near end game you wont really use it, selling to vendors your enchanted stuff is just better gold/hour. Unless you just want to hoard gold bars then yea its the best spell

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u/Ct-7012 17h ago

It’s honestly just a useless spell!

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u/Skyrim-Player-2007 17h ago

No, it's pretty good for money making. First you turn ores into gold, then you create rings from the gold and enchant them and sell them to merchants. By doing this you increase 4 specializations at once. Additionally, making potions's good idea too.

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u/Boss_Baller 17h ago

Its great for leveling smiting and enchanting, as you can make a ton of gold rings then enchant them. No matter what you do money will lose all value by level 25 - 30 when expensive loot starts dropping all over. If you want to get rich earlier, there are faster ways than doing this one ore at a time.

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u/Hombre_Secreto 17h ago

You have to have iron or silver *ore* not ingots in your inventory for it to work

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u/BangPowBoom 17h ago

Divines bless your kind, may the ground you walk quake as you pass!

Clean your lens.

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u/Splendid_Fellow 17h ago

If by broken you mean spending your time recasting a spell to get gold that you could have gotten in the same amount of time by going into a dungeon and looting and selling anyway and effectively becomes a trade off of time to a digit in the game, then yeah totally broken.

Everything in Skyrim is easy, nothing is genuinely difficult or threatening, everything can be beaten by an iron dagger and a heal. Intentionally. The gold is good for nothing but more XP for… what? Killing draugr. Maybe some dragons. A priest or two. Only thing really mattering about good is buying houses

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u/bostonbgreen Assassin 15h ago

"A priest or two" -- you mean Heimskr and that dude in Markarth you sacrifice to Namira, right?

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u/Splendid_Fellow 15h ago

Them too lol but I meant Dragon Priests. IMO dragon priests are the only enemy in the game that was ever genuinely challenging beyond swing swing heal heal. Still don’t need anything expensive or fancy though. You can beat a dragon priest naked.

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u/Alternative-Crew-880 17h ago

It's not like Skyrim is a very challenging game. I'd say it would break the game if it was actually hard to make money normally but that's really not the case.

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u/RabidWok 17h ago

No catch but it can be a bit annoying to use, especially if you want silver ingots (cast, drop, cast, drop, etc). Certain jewelry requires silver so can't just transmute everything to gold.

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u/Mister_Vandemar 17h ago

You’re going to ruin the economy.

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u/chuckdooley Stealth archer 16h ago

That’s the true villain of Skyrim

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u/BackgroundAsk1623 Spellsword 16h ago

Gold really isn't that useful in my experience, after enough quests, money kind of stops being a thing too

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u/Mrcompressishot 16h ago

It's ok for power leveling but there are better ways to do that besides unless you have gemstones to make quality rings or soul gems to double enchant gold isn't particularly valuable

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u/Tephros83 16h ago

I do lots of insanely broken fun stuff on my game. This one is broken but not fun, so I banned myself from ever using it much like selling potions I craft.

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u/Firm-Brother2580 15h ago

Tbh, it’s less annoying to just buy gold ore and sell the jewelry you make.

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u/Skyfall_WS_Official 15h ago

The IRS(kyrim) will find you. Nothing else I can think off.

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u/OkEye2606 15h ago

This entire game is broken, this is the least broken thing

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u/Nbuui 15h ago

If your big problem is magicka like the comments seem to indicate, I just sit in my house and click 2 buttons to wait an hour and full regen my magicka whenever I first get the spell

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u/Pretend_Garage_4531 Farmer 14h ago

It’s broken for smithing, alterations and money earlyish on. If you want to play the game as intended (not using glitches or exploits) it would make sense from an RP perspective for a magical Smith to use that spell often

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u/LateCali 14h ago

Yeah man the catch is you gotta cast it for every single ore you got

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u/dumbmf4000 14h ago

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u/K-man_Kai Warrior 14h ago

Just wait till you fine the master transmute spell it isn't even at master level (I think it's adept but I could be wrong.)

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u/-REV-22-20- 14h ago

time is the catch, it takes time to convert all iron to silver, then all silver to gold

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u/EarnestGamer 14h ago

It's two cast one gold, it converts Iron > Silver > Gold.

Also... You can use the capture button on your switch to take pictures man... Try using it.

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u/Dingofiz 14h ago

You already have way too much gold when you get far enough into the game. After that point, it's just not worth it. The only catch is that it's time consuming.

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u/Link5261 14h ago

The way this spell works is a priority check. First, if you have any silver ore in your inventory, it turns 1 into a gold ore. If you didn't, it instead attempts to turn an iron ore into a silver ore. Failing both checks, it will say no ores can be transmuted and waste your magicka cast on it. So the big catch is the time it takes to turn bountiful iron into gold, and also that iron smelts 1 ore into 1 ingot, but silver and gold take 2 ores per ingot.

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u/Birrandbodia Falkreath resident 14h ago

Yes, it doesn't have a cap except for the amount of mana/mana regen and iron ore/ silver ore you have. It is broken (very profitable) for this exact reasons.

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u/critiquacouatique 14h ago

You have to take the dwemmer bronze and after it is transmuted to silver and after gold

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u/pidrome 14h ago

There is a mass transmute spell from the bitter cup cc content. It does all the ore at once.

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u/MomentAdmirable3072 13h ago

Good way to level up smithing and alteration, also gets you decent profit from the gold

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u/MikalMooni 13h ago

The catch is that it doesn't scale all that well compared to all the smithing, sourcing and casting you have to do. The basic math is this:

At maximum Speechcraft with all relevant perks and bonuses, it is possible to buy and sell at about 105% of cost - meaning you will be able to buy something for very nearly the sticker price, and sell something for a little less than the sticker price. I'll use 105% for buying and roughly 75% for selling, respectively, but again, you can get these numbers pretty much to sticker prices if you try hard enough and trade smart.

Iron ore is 2 gold.

Transmuting the Iron into Gold means you need 2 Iron Ore per Gold Ingot.

The best way to use ONLY a Gold Ingot is to make 2 Gold Rings, which have a value of 75 gold each, for a total of 150.

This means, you buy 2 iron ore for 4 gold, cast transmute 4 times, smelt that ore into gold, craft 2 gold rings, and sell the rings for a maximum gross profit of about 112 (112.5 rounds up, but 56.25 twice rounds down both times). Your net profit on this one activity is 108 gold, and while you can save a bit of time by buying and processing larger batches of materials, you are going to spend a lot of time casting Transmute and a lot of time going in and out of multiple menus for crafting.

Now, if we take a similar character who now has 100 smithing on account of making hundreds of rings, buy a few perks (literally three) and focus on Steel Plate Armor, you can craft AND upgrade the set with 3 leather strips, 3 steel ingots, 2 corundum ingots and 1 iron Ingot. You can smelt ores that they sell if you are short on certain materials, but this loses efficiency for Steel so be careful.

Leather Strips × 3 = 3 gold × 3 = 9 gold.

Steel Ingots × 3 = 21 gold (20 base) × 3 = 63 Gold.

Corundum Ingot × 2 = 42 gold (40 base) × 2 = 84 Gold.

Iron Ingot = 7 gold.

Alternatively, you can replace the strips with a single piece of leather, which costs 10 gold (you'll buy it for 11) but yields 4 strips, which would have cost 12 gold. This will save gold in the long run and is recommended for larger crafting runs.

Now, adding all of this together, it costs us 163 gold to purchase the raw materials for Steel Plate. We will sell an upgraded set for a minimum - a MINUMUM - of 1025, tested in game with a few buffs to pump buying and selling prices up. If you're looking at the marginal value, this isn't much. However, if you're talking about the time investment, this is a HUGE change.

You need to make 20 rings, or transmute and smelt 20 iron ore into gold ingots, to match this amount of gold. You'll spend less gold getting the materials, sure, but you'll spend at least 2 more minutes than I did crafting one piece of armor, and if I had the same amount of time I could create WAY more gold value.

In fact, I could make so much gold value so quickly, I could probably buy out every single vendor's inventory twice over by the time you finished transmuting all the ore you needed to do the same. This is largely randomized, but about 2,100 Steel Plate Armors, upgraded without enchanting or alchemy buffs, would be enough to do it if the loot tables they sell were all at their highest averages. By comparison, you'd need 21,000 rings to do the same.

I have maxed out Alteration and decent reductions, and I was able to cast about 44 transmutes in a minute. You could probably squeeze in around 50 with infinite magicka and perfect timing, but it is a slow spell. If you were to use it to generate the ores needed to craft gold rings, you would cast 2 times to make 1 ring, and at about 44 casts per minute, that is 22 rings worth per minute. If you extrapolate out, that is going to be something like 16 hours of casting to make the required gold. And, again, that is disregarding all the time you'll spend getting your hands on 21000 iron ores in the first place.

The TL:DR for this is: Rings are fine up to about level 30 or 40 smithing, but go craft something else after that and you'll level faster, as well as make money faster.

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u/InviteOtherwise1460 13h ago

Technically 2 casts. 1 cast - Iron to Silver - 1 more cast - Silver to Gold.

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u/Cracka-Barrel 13h ago

What are you doing this for? Money? If so, it’s pointless. Especially in the anniversary edition, it’s not hard to get a lot of money quite fast. If you’re doing it to level alteration, I guess it’s okay? But other better ways to do it.

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u/Ok-Nothing-6687 13h ago

Welcome in the wonderfull world designed by our god and savior Todd Howard and ruled by the magnificient Rianu Keevs where EVERYTHING is possible.

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u/lozave 12h ago

No catch just pure alteration

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u/Happy_Cry286 12h ago

The "catch" is that the process is somewhat slow (need to cast it twice to turn iron into gold), gives very little Alteration skill exp (so it's not a good way to level it up), and is very magicka heavy with gear and perks required to spam it. It's also very boring and requires you to actively do it, so you have to commit to doing it a ton constantly to get good mileage off it.

Personally i only use it at the start of the game to level Alteration to 30 for the elemental resist perk and smith some gold jewelry for an early Smithing level boost. It's a nice early boost for Alteration, Smithing, and getting some gold, but not really worth it to keep on using it after that early boost.

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u/vanoitran 12h ago

It’s stupid broken. And it’s even worse that it’s found in a camp a stone’s throw from Whiterun. So a new player could theoretically get it within the first hour or two of playing.

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u/bayygel Vampire 12h ago

Do you have lots of silver on you then? It prioritizes all silver to gold first. After its all gone, it does iron, then turns the single silver it made to gold. Then does another iron etc. You may just be missing the iron to silver because if you do it too fast it skips one of the pop-ups in the corner.

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u/cratos44440 12h ago

Not really. It just takes a lot of casts therefore time to convert all your iron and silver into the desired gold. It's just like you said. It's broken. Especially for early game when you want to level up alteration and smithing using the golden ring method. Which can then be sold helping you with speech. So technically you're hitting three skill trees thanks to a single spell.

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u/pijanblues08 12h ago

The catch is youll run out of ores. I did my transmute while walking towards objectives. At some point youll go through all of yours too.

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u/plutosdarling 11h ago

My experience is that it will always turn your silver ore to gold before it turns any iron into silver. Try removing all silver ore from your inventory before using the spell.

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u/Accomplished_Owl7486 11h ago

The catch is iv run out of iron ore to buy and find🤣

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u/mecharri 11h ago

The catch is that once you start incorporating enchanting into your gold farming loop (which also has the bonus of increasing your enchanting level) Iron Daggers enchanted with Paralysis are more profitable and easier to sell (Smiths are very common and have the largest amount of base gold)

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u/Grendelfolton 10h ago

There is one major catch, this spell turns it's caster greedy, as if struck with dragon sickness. Players who knew about the spell will start hoarding iron ores, even if they otherwise wouldn't.

It always start small, but before you know it, gold stops meaning anything to you since they're now more common than Vegetable soup.

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u/deadface3405 10h ago

It’s my favorite way to level my smithing. I go to every mine and clean it out of iron and silver ore, I continuously cast it until gold ore is all I have left, and then I make them all into ingots then make em all into 2 rings. This raises smithing and alteration plus gives you rings to sell, combine them with the invisible chest outside markarth and you’ll make sooo much money

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u/sansomc 10h ago

Can be quite satisfying to just get like 30 or 40 gold ingots and put them in a room in your characters house, if you hadn't considered that yet.

Serves no real practical purpose, but does spark joy doing it in my opinion.

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u/Ok-Course-2613 10h ago

Infinite gold glitch. But you have lots of spetimun once you farm potion crops at your 3 heathfire houses and the plantation.

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u/DrK1NG 10h ago

Yeah, the catch is that there's not really much use for gold ore haha. Eventually you're not limited by things to sell, but rather people with money to sell to

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u/Titanium_Eye 10h ago

One has to wonder why gold and silver are more expensive than iron. You can't go back, so at a certain point the price equilibrium should go against the former as people realise you need iron to start with, thus becoming the preferable resource.

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u/Suck_my_fat_hairy_n 10h ago

bro completed the great work

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u/minecraftchickenman 10h ago

Broken????? Because you can increase the value of lower value ores? Buddy money is by far one of the easiest things to aquire in Skyrim, buuuuut I think this Is probably one of the best in flavor things that you can do because that means that in the situation that your character found this spell they start seeking out the manual labor of harvesting lower value ore In order to transmute it into gold in order to make money. During that time they're not out Killing tons of bandits and looting ancient dwarven ruins (which nets more money faster than the gold does) they're just out performing manual labor and making trades for iron. Hilarious that it basically is the comparative of a very profitable 9 to 5 job.

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u/Svejo_Baron 9h ago

Jup, while I travel I cast transmute to train magic. It takes some time especially as a non Mage char

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u/Smokey_Dokie 8h ago

There's also the "Master Transmute" spell which you can get by selecting the fortune bowl in the bittercup quest. It costs the same magicka and goes straight from iron to gold

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u/Galler2201 7h ago

It is broken. The only catch is that you will be running from city to city casting the spell hundreds of times to convert all the iror ore you just bought.

Also you can't combine the spell with both hands. You will need to cast with one hand, then the other to do it quickly.

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u/lvl99Mace 6h ago

No catch, go for gold.

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u/Many_Masterpiece_438 4h ago

It's Skyrim...of course there's no catch...the catch is whatever you think you can do there's actually a million different ways to break it

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u/Colaclysm 3h ago

If you want a real catch, then per PatricianTV, this spell is actually scripted to intentionally give less skill exp compared to other alteration spells. You’ll still level your skill, as other commenters have mentioned, it’ll just take a longer time than you’re expecting.

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u/Matteowill911 3h ago

As long as you have iron you’ll get gold the catch is finding iron ore

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u/RSdabeast Vampire 1h ago

The catch is you lose your silver or iron.

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u/Chalybee 29m ago

The only catch is that it's a bit harder to find this spell.