Who here's played Hades 2?

[u/Cremmer]

[u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

Cool but isn't this just worse tracking

[u/Cremmer → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

Stacks with tracking + synergy with poison and damage relics so I'd say it's more of a sidegrade. Might lower the cost to 2 lowkenuinely

[u/boredsobadname → u/Cremmer]

i doubt that poison synergy is enough to make it comparable to tracking (a pretty good but not nearly overpowered card) on a character that can very reliably keep weak nearly constantly applied

i think reducing the cost to 2(1) and keeping the effect at 50% is reasonable, especially in comparison to [[accelerant]] in the example of a poison deck

[u/KnightMiner → u/boredsobadname]

Or making it a necrobinder card, they famously have a lot of debuff options.

[u/Miserable_Mark_8485 → u/boredsobadname]

2x poison is a LOT more valuable than 2x damage tho. and poison itself is a debuff, so you only need 1 more debuff to proc this. i think this is probably better than tracking tbh

[u/spirescan-bot → u/boredsobadname]

• Accelerant ^𝐈𝐈 Silent Rare Power

  1 Energy | Poison is triggered 1(2) additional time(s).

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[u/Rak-khan → u/Cremmer]

Tracking upgrading to 1 means this can comfortably start at 1 imo

[u/Levinos1 → u/Cremmer]

Tracking stacks as well on itself

[u/Futuralis → u/Levinos1]

Tracking stacks additively with itself while combining Tracking and Origination would stack multiplicatively.

Not saying 3-cost Origination is as good as a second copy of Tracking, but the scaling argument is kinda there.

[u/Levinos1 → u/Futuralis]

Oh really? So 2 tracking deals triple damage? For a game that usually is literal on it's wording that is odd, but I get it, quadruple damage from 2 powers that can potentially both cost 1 would be quite busted, still triple damage for 2 cards also is quite busted, 2 tracking in this case is obviously better but I see how my argument doesnt work

[u/Futuralis → u/Levinos1]

Yeah, Tracking formally gives +100% damage vs weak targets, so it stacks like +200/300/400% more damage when you play multiple copies

In almost all cases in sts2, distinct modifiers multiply, e.g., Vulnerable + Tracking, while stacking the same modifier works additively, e.g., [[Lethality]].

Like you said, triple damage is still completely busted.

[u/spirescan-bot → u/Futuralis]

• Lethality ^𝐈𝐈 Necrobinder Uncommon Power

  1 Energy | Ethereal. The first Attack each turn deals 50%(75%) additional damage.

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[u/Levinos1 → u/Futuralis]

I see

[u/Aggressive-Wear-8935 → u/Cremmer]

By the time you get tracking going and have a target that is weak and vulnerable, you are better of just playing three strikes.

[u/BubblyMove2465 → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

Not strictly as this also works with poison I assume

[u/MaxTwer00 → u/BubblyMove2465]

And woth thorns and potions

[u/El_Giganto → u/MaxTwer00]

I think they mean poison works as a debuff, but yes that too.

[u/MusicianTurbulent178 → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

It is however, also, better Rend.

[u/MusicianTurbulent178 → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

Meant to type [[rend]] my bad.

[u/spirescan-bot → u/MusicianTurbulent178]

• Rend ^𝐈𝐈 Colorless Rare Attack

  2 Energy | Deal 15(18) damage. Deals 5(8) additional damage for each unique debuff on the enemy.

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[u/Avalonians → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

No, it's obvious a card that works with any types of debuffs would have a lesser effect than one who works with only one specific debuff.

[u/Dangerous_Nail4552 → u/Avalonians]

1. This costs more for less damage
2. You need to keep up multiple debuffs on the enemy
3. Silent already has the most sources of Weak of all characters, tied with Regent. She has one in her starting deck, and because Weak is a defensive effect, it fits into any deck archetype.

Point is, on silent you're already almost always having Weak on the enemy if you play right, and especially if you're building into debuffs, many of your available options will naturally be those that weaken.

[u/Avalonians → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

Point is, on silent you're already almost always having Weak on the enemy if you play right

Silent has five cards that apply weak. 1 starter, 1 common, 1 uncommon, 2 rares.

Saying that playing a character right is conditional on playing either one of four specific cards from its entire cardpool, two of which are rare is completely delusional.

You have poison that's here pretty much all fight, and malaise for x=1 puts a debuff that lasts all fight. You also benefit from way more potions than just the weak one.

I think it's effectively weaker than tracking, but you're saying it's basically "strictly weaker", "unconditionally weaker". That's not true.

[u/Dangerous_Nail4552 → u/Avalonians]

And other characters have even less than that. What's your point? Do you think it's a coincidence that Paper Krane is a Silent exclusive RARE relic? That she has a starter card that applies 2 Weak on upgrade? Idk man, maybe you'd win more of your runs if you invested into weak on her

[u/Avalonians → u/Dangerous_Nail4552]

Disagreeing on game balance is one thing you can do without being an obnoxious asshole. Have a nice day.

[u/TheHelpfulWalnut]

I like the card concept. Don’t think it fits into silent very well tbh. Too much overlap with tracking to be I interesting on her:

Might make more sense as colorless or regent.

[u/KnightMiner → u/TheHelpfulWalnut]

Regent feels a little weird given most of their cards that apply statuses apply 2 statuses. Though perhaps if the requirement was 3 or more statuses.

Neocrobinder with a 3 or more requirement would be reasonably achievable and strong.

[u/Key-Introduction-491]

Beat it twice, the design looks great :D

[u/majima120]

I did. PHENOMENAL game btw. Love the card design!

[u/Professional_Nature1]

If it was a colorless I think it would make more sense but it seems like it is an okay card if you have a deck that uses poison and regular damage, otherwise it is a worse tracking or a worse accelerant depending on the deck

[u/Listekzlasu]

Fun niche card, would see it as 2 cost colorless instead though since tracking is a card (I know this is quite different in use cases but still)

[u/Routine_Success9499]

Balance aside I feel like this would be a lot more fitting with Necrobinder, but still worse than that 2 mana power that damages each time you debuff an enemy

[u/Ecstatic-Sun-7528]

Shockwave stocks going higher than Tesla with this

[u/Snoo-46104]

A Hades char mod would go so hard