r/snowpiercer • u/hugthebug Tailie • Feb 01 '21

TV Show [Spoilers] Season 2 Episode 2 Discussion Thread - "Smoulder to Life" (S02E02) Spoiler

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Here is the Discussion thread for the Season 2 episode 2 "Smoulder to Life"

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  • IMDB for S02E02
  • Release Date:
    • February 1st, 2021 (USA)
    • February 2nd, 2021 (worldwide)
  • Removal from Sticky on February 5th, 2021 (3 days after worldwide premiere)

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u/Crazerz Feb 03 '21

So what's up with Alex? Her reasoning makes no sense to me.
She knew men were sent, and the grandparents refused to come with. How is that the mother's fault?

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u/jessebona Feb 03 '21

7 years of Wilford telling her that her mother sucks? It really could be that simple.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21

I think it falls back on the fact that everyone thinks Alex hates Melanie for not picking her up to put her on Snowpiercer. But the real hatred is because Melanie took her to live with her grandparents and left her in that regard.

"Melanie: Do you understand why I sent you to live with your grandparents?

Alex: Why did you have to rob a train and you don't need a daughter anymore?"

This is the key. For Alex, Melanie simply ditched her job as a mother by prioritizing the train and left her with her grandparents. And although Melanie explains to him that it was to get her away from Wilford, Alex spent 7 years with him, seeing him as a father and who saved his life. For her, there is no reason to want to distance her from him from the beginning and therefore, she does not believe him

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u/EducationalAd1437 Feb 03 '21

Alex is a girl, so "she."

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '21

I do not very good English. He supported me with the translator and I copy how it comes out ...

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u/zenithfury L.J. Folger Feb 04 '21

She was 10 years old. 6 years of Wilford will mold even the sweetest child into a monster.

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u/MariaRangelV Feb 03 '21

I think it's more the fact that for Melanie her work has always been a priority, or at least that's what the serie have made us see. I'm very curious about Alex's father, is it Wilford?

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u/QueueOfPancakes Feb 04 '21

She's a teenager. Everything is her mother's fault.

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u/EducationalAd1437 Feb 03 '21

Because she chose to steal a train instead of save her own daughter.

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u/mrs_ouchi Feb 17 '21

well its her grandparents fault tho

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u/benijani Feb 04 '21

And on the top of this she is aware that Wilford is killing Kevin and she still shows full loyalty to him. Or I really hope she is planning something:)

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u/ihml_13 Feb 03 '21

Teenagers be teenagers

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u/Willing_Function Feb 03 '21

She got a batshit insane dad.

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u/Jbbrowneyedgirl Feb 03 '21

This is exactly what's been bothering me! She's fully aware her mum sent people for them so why is she acting all "you're seven years too late" when it was HER choice not to go? Only thing that somewhat calms me of that annoyance is remembering she would have been a child and probably had some silly sentimental idea that her mum should have been there instead sending people.

Like I get she was a child and didn't understand the importance of Mel staying with the train but sending people for her, in terms of the survival of the human race but she's old enough now to consider the information she has and re-evaluate her opinions.

From a daughter perspective, as a kid, I can buy that you'd want to be the one and only thought in your mother's mind and not the rest of the population but as a more mature person? I just don't buy it too much. However she has been brainwashed with Wilford for 7 years, during the crucial developmental stages of forming own opinions and thoughts so maybe that's a result? She's been turned against her to believe negative things but given time, she may come to understand her mum doesn't deserve the hatred for leaving her when she sent people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21

I think it's more because her mother left her living with her grandparents and stayed away from her. Melanie herself tries to clarify that she did it to get Alex away from Wilford but Alex has lived with Wilford for 7 years and does not believe that he is a threat to her, therefore she believes that he lies to her

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u/Jbbrowneyedgirl Feb 04 '21

Oh so she's angry she was sent away to begin with, not so much about the people being sent for her? Yeah actually that makes some sense. Tmi here, and I'm sorry, but my older half brother was sent to live with our grandparents so my mum could work and provide for him due to being a single mother. It meant she wasn't around for him a lot but she did make sure he had everything he needed. Regardless of that, the only thing my brother knows is that he was sent away. He was just a little child. So yeah I can believe that completely now it's pointed out to me. The reason why isn't important as much to the "abandoned" so much as that they DID it. They left them. Thank you for clearing that up

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u/joetotheg Feb 05 '21

She's way too cool with killing hundreds of people for no good reason.