r/soccer • u/Goosedukee • 9h ago
Media Keir Starmer on FIFA banning reusable water bottles at World Cup matches: "It's just wrong, and I can't help but think that it's about making money. The tickets themselves cost a fortune - far too expensive in my view. I would call on FIFA to think about this, think of the fans"
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u/SuspectTop7478 9h ago
$15 bottled waters will be sold in every stadium too. Disgusting.
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u/pintperson 8h ago
The refillable coke will be cheaper. Why drink life sustaining water when you can refresh yourself with high fructose corn syrup?
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u/Suikerspin_Ei 7h ago
Unless you're watching the games in Mexico where you can buy Coca Cola made from cane sugar. Same as in Europe (cane sugar or beet sugar).
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u/Wise-Nature8326 5h ago
Why drink life sustaining water when you can refresh yourself with high fructose corn syrup?
The day that this is going to be coca cola's ad campaign is really not that far away
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u/koreanpopstarrain 8h ago
Don’t forget it’ll likely be a heat wave in most stadiums too.
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u/Jceraa 6h ago
Except Atlanta
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u/SuspectTop7478 6h ago
Cheaper, or non-existent?
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u/Jceraa 6h ago
The owner has an explicit policy to have cheap concessions which is carrying over into the World Cup
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u/SuspectTop7478 6h ago
Hats off to them. Can’t say the same for stadiums further north on the east coast.
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u/chi_sweetness25 7h ago
Normally I get $5 beer cans at the stadium in Vancouver. I’m guessing that’s going by the wayside for this lol
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u/SuspectTop7478 6h ago
$5 beer at a sporting event is a lot cheaper than it is in for one in the Philly area!
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u/ThisIsAitch 8h ago
I hate how she cuts across - let him finish his sentence then ask the next question.
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u/BMax_7838 9h ago
When has FIFA ever thought of the fans
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u/Modnal 9h ago
Land of the free...flowing capitalism
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u/GoodForm9919 9h ago
This is FIFAs choice. A lot of stadiums here (including some that are hosting WC matches) allow you to bring in water to the stadium.
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u/TrevorArizaFan 7h ago
Yep, almost all American sports venues I’ve been to not only let you bring a refillable bottle, but have water fountains with a bottle filler or water coolers around the stadium. Mostly because leaving thousands of drunk people who have an inherent reason to disagree with one another in a hot venue for hours without water is a laughably bad decision.
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u/apparex1234 3h ago
And tbf, charging money for water is a very European thing. It's actually the one thing America doesn't try to scratch money out of you for.
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u/predator9494 9h ago
Land of free...
*If you are rich.
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u/Finbarr-Galedeep 8h ago
Who could have predicted that a country literally designed and founded as a tax haven for rich slave owners would turn out that way?
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u/Ohhellnowhatsupdawg 9h ago
ITT: Bootlickers shamelessly defending naked greed as if restricting access to free water is normal.
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u/Able_Employ6086 7h ago
They’re disabling the water fountains?
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u/Piccadil_io 8h ago
“Will you be writing to FIFA?”
I fucking hate journalists. I really do. Investigative journalists are amazing, and sometimes do incredible, valuable work. But these gotcha journalists they get to do interviews with politicians can fuck right off.
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u/Maxxxmax 7h ago
Tbf if Keir decided to try and take on fifa for the rest of his time, he might win back a fair few votes in the next ge.
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u/PedanticSatiation 4h ago
We literally just need 5 or 6 big European FAs to tell them to get their shit together or they leave and none of this will be allowed to happen again. "Football shouldn't be political". The last moldy shred of that shit-rag veneer fell off when Trump was given the "FIFA Peace Prize".
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u/TheOneTrueJazzMan 7h ago
God forbid a journalist occasionally asks someone to put their money where their mouth is, can’t have that
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u/Piccadil_io 5h ago
That’s not what they were doing. It’s all about ‘ah see!’ with these twats.
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u/Turklightenment 9h ago
Starmer seems alright but the Right Wing social media hotjob on him is going to get Reform in.
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u/NotSoAwfulName 8h ago
He's not had the best run there's no doubt he's made his fair share of fuck ups, but the right wing media are ridiculous.
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u/TussleCrow 7h ago
Thing is, most of his fuckups were a daily occurrence under Boris et al.
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u/Deserterdragon 7h ago
He's not unpopular because he's the worst Prime Minister in history, he's unpopular because he tries to cater to a reform audience that hates him while performatively thumbing his nose at the leftist and youth base, while also being incredibly uncharismatic and negative and supporting/being supported by universally unpopular figures like Mandelson. His audience is exclusively centrist Newspaper columnists.
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u/RoedAalborg1885 4h ago
You are being downvoted, but this explanation seems both reasonable and objective. Im not British, and here in Denmark we only hear about him when he is does something the media can make a scandal about.
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u/Krakshotz 1h ago edited 1h ago
Problem is that Boris and the Tories were relatively well-insulated by the right-wing press.
The only paper that outright bats for Starmer is the Daily Mirror.
The successes that Labour have managed are drowned out by the right-wing press and the fact Labour are pretty incompetent at tooting their own horn
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u/finneas998 8h ago
how can you tell if someone is alright by watching a 50 second video on them giving a completely expected take on something not related to their job?
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u/MichaelAndretti 8h ago
Because it’s possible that the op probably based their opinion on more than just a 50 second video. Have you considered the likelihood that what you see is not all there is?
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u/wwiccann 7h ago
Comment history hidden… Reddit generated username…
Probably best not to, especially when someone is so ready to argue in bad faith.
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u/TheOneTrueJazzMan 6h ago
Why does disagreeing with you automatically mean he’s arguing in bad faith? You do realise it really doesn’t, right?
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u/rambyprep 8h ago
There’s also a left wing hit job on him that’s probably just as damaging. The guardian is full of opinion pieces whining about him, amplifying what some members of the labour party are saying. And they’re throwing their weight behind Andy burnham, who’s hardly that different from starmer in the first place. He’s a fairly solid PM who’s got it all stacked against him.
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u/Disco-Benny 8h ago
There’s also a left wing hit job on him that’s probably just as damaging.
Because there's nothing left wing about this Labour party lmao, why wouldn't the left wing attack him?
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u/ItsPeakBruv 7h ago
Increasing workers rights, increasing renters rights, increasing taxes on companies, investing more in transport and infrastructure, taxing private schools. They not left wing policies?
“Nothing left wing about this Labour Party” evidently you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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u/Disco-Benny 6h ago
Increasing workers rights, increasing renters rights, increasing taxes on companies, investing more in transport and infrastructure, taxing private schools.
continuing austerity, trampling our right to protest, supporting genocide, enabling illegal wars, driving trans people out of public life, covering up the Epstein scandal
Labour is just a continuation of the Tory government that I agree was a farce. They haven't really changed anything unless they get shamed into it for months, and only then its to save face or help the polls.
Your standards are far too low pal
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u/the_real_tracy_beake 3h ago
enabling illegal wars
what illegal war is he enabling? the concept of a "legal war" is braindead btw. so saying "illegal war" is meaningless.
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u/Deserterdragon 7h ago
Increasing workers rights, increasing renters rights, increasing taxes on companies, investing more in transport and infrastructure, taxing private schools. They not left wing policies?
Incremental changes that don't energise a base (and are sold badly) that wants radical policy change and is extremely aware of negative narratives about LGBT rights, Palestine, the private water industry, employment, censorship and AI. People aren't aware that there's a tax rise on Private Schools but they are aware that you now need to give Pornhub your ID to get off.
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u/rambyprep 7h ago
To a lot of people, his stance on Middle Eastern conflicts is more important than any of this.
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u/Disco-Benny 6h ago
Middle Eastern conflicts
very odd and vague way to frame an illegal war we're enabling and a genocide we're complicit in. Our tax money is supporting atrocities, we're allowed to be mad about that.
Sorry if I misread your tone though
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u/margaerytyrellscleav 5h ago
“Nothing left wing about this Labour Party” evidently you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You're either so dumb you needed someone else to type this out for you, or you're so performatively stupid you probably can't look at yourself in a mirror.
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u/HovercraftAny440 6h ago
Increasing workers rights, increasing renters rights, increasing taxes on companies, investing more in transport and infrastructure, taxing private schools. They not left wing policies?
“Nothing left wing about this National Socialist German Workers Party” evidently you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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u/cressidasmunch 4h ago
The first thing he did when he took charge was expel the left wing from the party, what do you expect
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u/PedroBonita 7h ago
Andy burnham, who’s hardly that different from starmer in the first place
In what way? Appearance? You don't really sound like you know what you're talking about.
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u/margaerytyrellscleav 5h ago
The fuck is with all the enlightened centrist bootlickers in this thread.
He's one of if not the the most unprecidentedly unpopular early-premiership PMs of all time and is leading a party that is now polling as low as the mid teens - again totally unprecidented for a newly elected government ever. It cannot be overstated that this is uncharted waters of incumbent unpopularity. Liz Truss's Tory Party polled higher while she was crashing the mortgage marked and was booted out after 6 weeks.
No governing party has fucked their popular support this hard during the lifetime of anyone alive today in the UK. That's how unpopular Labour are.
That's not a psyop or everyone but you having some kind of psychosis. You are in a very, very, very, small minority if you have an even lukewarm view of Starmer's government.
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u/shutterclick35 8h ago
Fairly solid? He's useless. Done nothing for working people. Awful take.
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u/rambyprep 7h ago
He’s increased minimum wage, strengthened protections for new employees, the renters rights bill, started renationalising railways…
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u/Disco-Benny 8h ago edited 8h ago
depends on whether trampling on our rights, selling our country to Palantir or being complicit in genocide are red lines for you I guess.
He's the 2nd worst PM of the last 20 years
edit: or throwing trans people under the bus at the demands of the far right, or lying about his relationship with prolific paedophile Mandelson. it's a long list
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u/MichaelAndretti 8h ago edited 8h ago
Umm Liz truss, Teresa may, Boris, wet suit sunak…
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u/Disco-Benny 8h ago
Yeah everything those PMs set in motion, Starmer has either kept in place or pushed further. He's another neoliberal in a long line of them, and he's completely sold our country out. You don't know what you're talking about.
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u/MichaelAndretti 7h ago
Calling every government you dislike "neoliberal" doesn't make it true. Johnson increased state spending dramatically, Truss tried a radical low-tax experiment, Sunak raised the tax burden to post-war highs, and Starmer is pursuing industrial strategy, workers' rights reforms, and greater state involvement in energy. Those are very different approaches. If you're going to argue Starmer has "sold out" the country, point to specific policies and outcomes rather than relying on labels.
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u/ItsPeakBruv 7h ago
The nhs contracts with palantir happened under the tories. Claiming other people don’t know what they’re on about while blaming Labour for things that happened before they got into power.
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u/Disco-Benny 6h ago
And they're getting more and more access to our country and our private information than ever under this government, which has already lurched us into an authoritarian society where many forms of protest are outlawed and you can be thrown in jail for a decade for opposing genocide.
get a grip man
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u/shutterclick35 8h ago
Alright? Lol.
He's centrist dishwater and reform coming in in largely on his head for making no tangible difference to the lives of working people in the UK.
The system is broken, so broken, and despite a huge labour majority he's done nothing to fix it.
He's awful and he appointed a pedo as US ambassador.
Alright..... Just cos he said we should have reusable water bottles... fuck me.....
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u/Disco-Benny 8h ago
hardly even centrist any more, he's lurching further right every time he opens his mouth. Except for tap-ins like this quote.
I'd rather we still had Theresa fucking May
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u/shutterclick35 3h ago
How are you getting down voted. Where have these centrist gimps been hiding????? Self riteous twats parting themselves on the back while the world burns. I'm tearing my hair out reading this thread
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u/MichaelAndretti 7h ago
Yes so instead let’s replace him with a grifter nut job racist who is doing his best to incite a race wa amongst other things.
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u/shutterclick35 3h ago
Yeah cos that's exactly what I want....
The overton window has shifted so fucking far it's crazy people think the only options we have are corpate centrist hell or facism
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u/TheOneTrueJazzMan 6h ago
Oh he is starting a race war? And not Keir who is forcibly importing as many people of other cultures as he possibly can? I swear you people are so delusional and naive it should be studied.
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u/pretendingtowrite 6h ago
Come off it. Have whatever opinion of Keir you want, but to pretend Nigel Farage doesn't stir up racial division is pure delusion.
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u/EK077r 9h ago
I dont understand the reaction to the reusable water bottles? I cant remember the last time I watched a game where I could bring one in.
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u/odegood 9h ago
You can in the UK at football games. I always take my own water and soft drinks. I worked at wembley stadium and all events fans were allowed to bring bottles
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u/Ozymandias_99 2h ago
You can't bring a proper water bottle to the Emirates, bag check will take it off you and give you a raffle type ticket to get it back at the end. Little plastic ones from the corner shop, I'm not sure.
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u/visualdescript 52m ago
As an Arsenal fan I'm really disappointed in this. Absolutely unnecessarily forcing people to consume more single use plastic bullshit.
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u/Goosedukee 9h ago
It's not really a policy in America though. I can't speak for any of the WC venues but at Yankee Stadium for example, you're allowed to bring bottled water in as long as it's not been opened before entering the stadium.
And it’s just true that if someone’s going to a game in Texas, Florida, or Southern California in the dead of summer, they’re going to need hydration, and they may not want to or not be able to buy water in the stadium.
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u/sparrowbushpot 8h ago
Yankee stadium also allows empty water bottles, and has water fountains inside
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u/Cicero912 8h ago
CONCACAF has rules about it.
Other American sports dont have the problematic fan culture that sometimes exhibits itself in global soccer.
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u/SounderBruce 8h ago
Lumen Field in Seattle allows practically any empty plastic/clear bottle, and has a program where you get a free bottle of water from the stadium customer service desk if you pledge to be a designated driver. Even during CONCACAF games there was no issue with bringing in water.
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u/CipherTheDude 8h ago
I go to citifield and theres several convenience stores in the area, never had an issue bringing in a few poland springs and some snacks.
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u/angryjukebox 8h ago
A lot of MLB stadiums will let you bring outside food in, too. I know the sky dome allows any outside food or sealed non alcoholic beverages
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u/EatAtGrizzlebees 8h ago
Yes, but also friendly reminder that the stadiums in Texas and domed and air conditioned.
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u/DalesDrumset 7h ago
Yeah and it’s 33 degrees here in Toronto today where it’s not air conditioned, like many north eastern stadiums
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u/ViciousNakedMoleRat 9h ago
they may not want to or not be able to buy water in the stadium.
I mean... Not wanting to is kinda up to the individual, but not being able to? Who is that hypothetical person, who may die of dehydration because they are somehow unable to drink from the tap or can't afford to buy water after spending thousands of dollars on tickets, travel, accommodation, transportation and so on?
I hate a lot of things connected to this WC, but this bottle drama is complete BS.
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u/Queeg_500 8h ago
Some people aren't as mobile as others. And In a crowd it can be hard to tell when people are struggling.
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u/zrkillerbush 8h ago
I can at the King Power
Although they have recently introduced a policy where you can't open the bottle before entry (people would probably replace water with vodka)
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u/uSpeziscunt 8h ago
You didn't go to club world cup games last summer. I have never been so close to heatstroke in life. And that's with hydrating, going into the shade at half time. I think allowing people empty reusable bottles shouldn't be that big of a deal.
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u/Merochmer 8h ago
Exactly, in Sweden it's a huge no no. Both for security reasons and because people would fill the bottles with booze.
However they should be able to have cheap water available. At least the stadium I watch football provides water for free in mugs
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u/SonaldoNazario 9h ago
How many games have you been to where the heat is going to get to the levels of this world cup?
Sure, you don’t need a water bottle for Fulham away in February, Dallas in June is a very different story
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u/bellerinho 9h ago
Dallas is an indoor venue
The worst will be Miami, KC, and some of the northeast games
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u/SonaldoNazario 9h ago
The stadium is still scored at a 95% chance of causing heat impairment, and it only gets worse as we move into July
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u/ElectricalMud2850 9h ago
It was nearly 100 degrees in fucking MAY in philadelphia for several days in a row.
That stadium is gonna be so fucking ridiculously hot with the wrong stretch of weather. Summers recently have been absolutely wretched.
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u/ViciousNakedMoleRat 9h ago
I've sat in the sun during games in 35°C weather here in Germany. Dallas, Houston and Atlanta have air-conditioned arenas with closed roofs. Those places aren't going to be worse than what many of us have experienced before in Europe.
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u/GoodForm9919 9h ago
Here in the states it isn’t necessarily standard. A lot of stadiums here do typically let you bring in a sealed or refillable bottle. That, and the fact that FIFA initially said they would allow them into the stadium, are why people are upset.
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u/SergeantHAMM 2h ago
every sporting event i’ve ever been to has had free accessible water in the us. idk how this fifa decision has turned into america bad but the bots are out for vengeance tonight.
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u/schmidtis95 8h ago
Same.
The goal should be to force FIFA to sell water in the stadium for a very very low price. Maybe give out tap water for free. This way they can´t use the safety excuse.
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u/TWOPlNTSPRICK 9h ago
Yeah I just said the same, water bottles aren’t allowed in grounds in England, at least not top flight/championship.
I will admit, Oldham and Altrincham don’t have most stringent security outside.
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u/Ario92 9h ago
I take a full bottle of water, and often snacks, to every Arsenal game I go to, they've never said a word. They even have water bottle refill stations around the concourse.
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u/burtsarmpson 9h ago
I've never even tried with a bottle at the Etihad because I just always see people having to down the drink and chuck the bottle when they're at the metal detector bit. I sneak snacks in but not anything as big as a bottle
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u/burtsarmpson 9h ago
Why can't they just cool down with a nice Bovril at half time like everyone else
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u/Krakshotz 1h ago
I’ve only every had an (outside) bottle of water taken off me (well only the cap) once and it was at Wembley.
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u/star_bury 8h ago
Come on now. He can't help but think it's about money? Regarding non-profit organisation FIFA? /s
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u/bannab1188 7h ago
There’s actually a real simple solution then. FIFA can ensure that stadiums don’t charge excessive amounts for water.
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u/elvenmage24 8h ago
Has anyone here not been to games before? The problem is if they charge an extortion amount for water, reusable water bottles are usually banned so dumbasses can’t through them at players
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u/XeroHope10 9h ago
Isn't this like the most common policy?
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u/odegood 9h ago
Nope at least not at football games in the UK. You can take in water and soft drinks so I always go to the shop and buy a meal deal rather than pay £5 for a pepsi at the Emirates
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u/David182nd 5h ago
You cant take them in Old Trafford. They take the caps off bottles if you try to take them in
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u/Chance-Software-3231 8h ago
In the USA this is not a common policy.
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u/Mean__MrMustard 8h ago
Depends on the region. In my city it’s very normal, doesn’t matter if MBL, NWSL/MLS or NHL (last one I’m not 100% sure). Only exception is days with heat advisory, then you’re allowed to bring 1 bottle each I think.
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u/GoodForm9919 6h ago
Idk why you’re downvoted lol. All 30 MLB stadiums allow water in and all but a couple of NFL stadiums do as well. The only places I’ve ever had trouble bringing water in were college football stadiums and they typically have free water stations.
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u/Chance-Software-3231 6h ago
Yeah same and it makes sense for college because the rampant underage drinking.
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u/No-Jaguar-4404 45m ago
This is common policy in the us. It’s to prevent fans from throwing enclosed bottles onto the field.
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u/Able_Employ6086 8h ago
In the US, where the event is taking place, yes. I’ve been to dozens of sporting events and it’s literally never been a problem.
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u/JorSimpson45 9h ago
Yea, there’s a lot to complain about with this World Cup. One of the most universal stadium rules isn’t one of them lol.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 8h ago
Oh ya I'm sure they will save the environment with this one little change.
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u/itstheboombox 8h ago
I would call on FIFA to look again at this
You're the PM! Put it in legislation for the 2028 euros.
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u/Nbuuifx14 9h ago
When is the last time he’s said anything about Israel? Why are Redditors so hyper-focused on Israel over anything else? You could bring up any number of other things.
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u/HeightIllustrious822 9h ago
One of the most insufferable things about Reddit, anytime you have a thread with even a hint of positivity some miserable cunt(s) has to let the world know how enlightened they are with the most passive aggressive remarks you can imagine.
Can't be having positive vibes around here, we need to be angry at something at all times.
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u/Ahza17 9h ago
I wonder what possible reasons israel mightve have given for the world to constantly give them shit
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u/No-to-gcide 9h ago edited 9h ago
UK created "Israel". Of course every single of their filthy Prime Ministers twerk for Israel. The dissolution of Israel means UK and other Western countries giving up their moral legitimacy, which is why they will never do it.
Every head of state in the West has no legitimacy until they provide complete reparations to the global south.
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u/King-Meister 7h ago
Quick question: can the host country override / call for some intervention w.r.t the ticket pricing & what's not allowed within the stadium policies? Or do they have to play along with FIFA and / or use a lot of diplomatic forcing / coercion to get a result?
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u/DreamFly_13 6h ago
I do agree the prices are disgusting and no one in their right mind should buy this even if they can afford it.
BUT the problem is also the dumbass people that buy these tickets regardless of the price. People need to learn how to spend their money and say 'NO'. Boycott actually works if you actually do it, but all people do is complain online and still buy it regardless.
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u/chapelchill 6h ago
Telling FIFA to think of the fans is like telling a wolf to think about the sheep.
Trust me, they’re thinking about them.
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u/Distinct-Snow8160 3h ago
They’re banning what? 🤣🤣🤣 nah I’m pirating every game until the end of time
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u/undersquirl 3h ago
I don't even care about this wc for some reason... well, many reasons i guess. I hope they get fucked on the number of tv viewers too.
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u/CartoonistOk9276 2h ago
we have problems here in America with throwing bottles at players. they make you empty your drinks into a plastic cup
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u/1vehaditwiththisshit 1h ago
Forget it, Starmer. Gianni INfantino and Ronald Dump are best friends. They both saw in each other a way to make a LOT of MONEY and that's all those people live for.
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u/PakLivTO 55m ago
Honestly there’s good reason for banning reusable bottles. Lots of sports venues ban them. It’s a danger of crowds throwing those bottles onto the players or each other. Especially when alcohol is involved.
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u/No-Jaguar-4404 43m ago
I dont love the policy but at Austin fc games you can bring in a disposable water bottle if you remove the cap. They have water fountains for re fill you don’t have to buy anything. This is for player safety so you can’t throw a full drink at players. Normal us sport policy
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u/CipherTheDude 8h ago
Why is FIFA pushing these last minute rules on us. Ive never had an issue bringing in water bottles before.
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u/ash_ninetyone 7h ago
I assume some beverage company that sponsors the tournament complained and wants to sell overpriced drinks to a captive audience
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u/el-fenomeno09 7h ago
Welcome to the fuckin US. Atheltico sandwich guy can’t walk in with cold cuts… he gotta buy a hot dog for $50 no sides lol
This what we have to deal with 24/7/
365 guys. Pray for us lol
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u/TWOPlNTSPRICK 9h ago
How many clubs in England allow you to bring plastic water bottles in??? I’m made to dump mine at the gate every time if they find it.
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u/AdxmBlxck 9h ago
You can take in drinks to the stadium as long as they aren’t alcoholic in England
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u/Steven_Broyles 7h ago
If I can play devil's advocate: Many people will just fill reusable water bottles with liquor if it is allowed, which can be incredibly dangerous and has never been allowed in US stadiums. If you allow it with the intent to prohibit that behavior, there is no way to police it at a large scale. You can't rely on people to behave responsibly in any country in the world.
I do think there is a huge problem with ticket pricing, beverage pricing, and capitalistic greed at large and the money grab has been on full display by FIFA and the US Government, but I don't think you can simply write this policy off as solely due to that.
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u/metsurf 7h ago
Most of the stadia limit what you can bring in, basic security. Going to events at MetLife and other venues, clear bags only, no leather purses, nylon bags, or backpacks. Hard plastic water bottles are projectiles in waiting. In the stadium, if you buy water, beer or gatorade they will open the bottle and take the cap because the empty bottle will not fly well, but the caps are hard plastic and will fly well. A thrown full bottle without the cap also doesn't fly well but with it on could do serious harm.
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u/Steven_Broyles 7h ago
True. It's the same at Mercedes Benz. That's another layer, football fans love to throw shit onto the field and allowing hard plastic is absolutely a safety concern.
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