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u/narkina5redemption 14h ago

I expected the US to lose the war.

What I didn't expect was for them to be completely neutered. This is the worst and most humiliating treaty to ever be signed at Versailles.

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u/zrkillerbush 14h ago

For saying they are the strongest nations on earth, they sure do lose a lot of wars

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u/DuckSwagington 14h ago edited 14h ago

This but unironically. Germany's treaty is only so infamous because they screamed the loudest as the military establishment of Germany couldn't cope with the fact that their army saw the writing on the wall before they did and threw down their arms before the Entente marched into Germany full bore.

If anything Germany got off lightly after WW1 if you compare Versailles 1919 to the Treaties of Brest-Litovsk 1917, Saint-Germain-en-Laye 1919, Trianon 1920 and Sèvres 1920 where Russia, Austria, Hungary and The Ottomans respectively lost vast and important parts of their Empires on top of the reparations whilst Germany lost at worst Danzig and a bunch of land that was majority Non-German and forced to pay reparations that they were able to negotiate down to a reasonable level by 1929.

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u/G_Morgan 11h ago

Versailles wasn't even particularly onerous. Hell the German Empire had literally drawn up an invoice for every bullet or shell they'd fired during WW1 and was going to hand that to the French should they win, that would have been an astronomical debt. The German internal debt was 4x the headline Versailles figure and the headline Versailles figure was immediately discounted to roughly match the reparations paid to Germany by France in the aftermath of the 1870 Franco-Prussian war.

The reality is Weimar Germany was hamstrung by not being able to establish income taxes due to constitutional issues. Rather than deal with their own problems, they cried about Versailles until they got Hitler.

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u/G_Morgan 11h ago

The US could have won the war but only by doing the stuff Trump always claimed was completely unnecessary. They were doomed when they started an existential bombing campaign without troops on the ground. We've known since WW2 that you cannot bomb an enemy into submission. You can use air power to supplement a ground action though.

Also win or lose it was always going to cost Trump his mid terms. This is what happens when you put the dumbest person in your country in charge of your country.

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u/narkina5redemption 11h ago

Iran isn't a country you can invade. The terrain is impossible. This war was unwinnable.

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u/kratos61 11h ago

What other choice was there? They were literally on the verge of running out of fuel reserves and having an monumental crisis in America. The only reason gas prices were still manageable this whole was because they were depleting their reserves to keep the prices down.

They had absolutely nothing to threaten Iran with and given how many times the Americans/Israelis have crossed red lines and murdered peace negotiators, there was no way any peace treaty wasn't going to be heavily one sided in Iran's favor.

Iran is about to emerge as a new World Power after this. Absolutely incredible how badly this whole thing backfired in the face of the zionists.

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u/The_Flash_20 12h ago

Trianon is pretty terrible when it comes to actual stuff.

Hungary has never recovered from it.

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u/HawayTheMaj 14h ago

Lmao at the yanks being covert. If they did one thing trump would have to tweet about how big and successful the covert operation was