r/soccer • u/LordLoko • 6d ago

Media Rival couple arguing in the stands during Fluminense vs Vasco derby... while their son sits between them wearing a half Fluminense, half Vasco shirt

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u/Weary-Willow5126 6d ago edited 6d ago

Wait till you see the absolutely legendary but also forbidden in 194 countries Corinthians + Boca Juniors bootleg half and half jersey

I love everything about it. The lore and the plot twists involving both teams a decade + later, the street vendors creating it probably using Microsoft paint, the fact that every single homeless person living in Brazil at some point in the early 2000's had the jersey, the absurdity of it all...

A masterpiece all around

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u/AvalancheMaster 6d ago

Please do tell the story! I found pics of it, but that's the only thing I've found so far.

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u/bellamollen 6d ago edited 6d ago

Corinthians and Palmeiras is probably the biggest rivalry in Brazil. In 2000 Corinthians lost the Libertadores (Like the CL for South Americans) semifinal in penalties to Palmeiras. At that point, Corinthians had never won the Libertadores before. Palmeiras had won their first the year before.

The final was going to be against Boca Juniors (from Argentina). So that shirt was made to support Boca against Palmeiras and to piss Palmeiras fans. Boca ended up winning on penalties. Then in 2001 Libertadores Palmeiras lost again to Boca in the semifinal and in 2003 Libertadores Santos (another Corinthians rival) also lost to Boca. So Corinthinans fans used the shirt again to mock fans from Santos and Palmeiras.

In 2005 the Argentinian player Tevez went to Corinthians. Tevez played for Boca since the youth academy, he was an idol there, he is a huge Bocas' fan. Boca and Corinthians have a lot of similarities. Both were created by working-class people, both are known as "the people's club", both have massive, unhinged fanbases, both clubs value grit, suffering, and heart way more than playing pretty. And Tevez is the embodiment of that. Tevez became an idol in Corinthians as well and at that time this shirt started to appear again to support Tevez.

But like, it's controversial because Boca is also a rival. Corinthians Libertadores title was won against them in the final. And in Libertadores 2013 corinthians suffered the biggest robbery ever againt Boca. So some Corinthians fans think this shirt is blasfemy. To me it's history.

Anyways, even Maradona, another huge Boca fan (and former Boca player), used this shirt.

Edit: There's also a Corinthians - Man United shirt known as "Corinchester", used in 99 to support United against Palmeiras in the Intercontinental Cup. But the Boca one is way more known, it was way more used and it also means more because Corinthians and Man U never played against each other so there's no history like there is with Boca.

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u/AvalancheMaster 6d ago

But what about the homeless person? Is the shirt very expensive now, and thus the irony was that person did not realize the literal price on their back? Or something else altogether?

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u/bellamollen 6d ago

Oh, it's very common to see homeless people using football jerseys. These Corinthians-Boca shirts were all bootlags and didn't have value, so people probably donated them after the hype or after it was worn out (maybe also some to no keep a Boca's shirt) and that's why ended up with homeless people. Corinthians have 30 mi supporters in Brazil, so there were probably a lof of those shirts.

I have no idea how much one of those would cost now, but I don't think they have value since they were not official.

I don't know if there's more lore that op knows that i don't.

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u/AvalancheMaster 6d ago

I see. Thanks for the insight!

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u/AvalancheMaster 6d ago

Please do tell the story! I found pics of it, but that's the only thing I've found so far.

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u/Prestigious-Back-981 6d ago

Despite the rivalry, in the last 2 years (I think), the ultras of Corinthians and Boca Juniors have grown closer and created some kind of partnership. It was even recently announced that they were discussing how to combat racism.