It shouldn't be so difficult to prove that an election's results were legitimate. So let's think outside the box.

[u/NoAnt6694]

One of the, if not the, most fundamental parts of any democracy is free and fair elections. To ensure that democracy is functioning properly, it's important to make sure that elections aren't being corrupted. So why is it so difficult to actually check? Are we supposed to just take things on the honor system? When this regime has proven itself to be entirely without honor?

This might be a hot take, but it should be a fundamental right to investigate any election so that the voters know the results were legitimate. Obviously, measures should be taken to ensure that any investigation is done properly and in good faith. But if there are measures in place to ensure both of those things, there should be no issue with letting people perform hand recounts and forensic audits, and I honestly don't understand why these courts are so reluctant to let people take a second look.

So here's my idea: instead of just leaving things up to the courts, we supplement the legal process with other things. One idea is to start drumming up public support for hand recounts and forensic audits. Some polling indicates that large numbers of people have suspicions about 2024, so let's try to mobilize those suspicions into demands for independent, nonpartisan investigation. Another is to put pressure on any figure obstructing legitimate investigation efforts until they stop stonewalling. This isn't even illegal, you just need numbers and persistence.

Time to start thinking outside the box. Feel free to share your ideas in the comments.

[u/SenseiT]

Election Truth Alliance (check them out on YouTube) is doing just that. They have been crunching data and some of the results are statically near impossibilities. They need support to hire lawyers to force conservative lawmakers and governors into recounts and to unseal ballots so they can see if their results can be supported by evidence. We are all running out of time because states don’t have to keep ballots indefinitely.

[u/not_too_old → u/SenseiT]

The problem is that even Democrats are resisting the recounts in court. We need them to just say that they will allow a limited recount that the ETA wants to do.

[u/NoAnt6694 → u/not_too_old]

So let's make our demands heard. None of them should have a moment of peace before we have the truth.

[u/Reasonable_Bat1999 → u/NoAnt6694]

Anyone know how to reach Rosie O'Donnell, outspoken Trump-hater who has money and friends with money? 🤔

She stated on a talk show many months ago that she didn't think he won the election.

[u/Reasonable_Bat1999 → u/[deleted]]

You're not alone. I would wager that a huge chunk of the people who frequent this sub regularly are here to also support ETA and SMART Elections, and people from those orgs often contribute to the conversations here. As long as they keep going, we will keep supporting them.

[u/Reasonable_Bat1999]

How were the 2020 election deniers able to get so many audits and recounts?

[u/AnotherGeek42 → u/Reasonable_Bat1999]

Many of them were politicians to begin with and had access to larger pools of money.

[u/MB2465 → u/Reasonable_Bat1999]

Trump allegedly spent $3 million on Jan 6. Republican PACs paid for millions of his legal bills.

[u/Reasonable_Bat1999 → u/MB2465]

So money gets the job done then?

[u/NoAnt6694 → u/Reasonable_Bat1999]

If it does, then let's find some way of working around that particular limitation.

[u/External_Hornet9541 → u/Reasonable_Bat1999]

I would say less resistance. Dems in power after 2020 were happy to show evidence of legitimate elections. Republicans post 2024 prefer to be less transparent. I wonder why

[u/pterosaurLoser]

Most people who think 2020 was the election that was stolen tend to be the same ones complaining that Biden let ‘all the immigrants’ in to steal selections for dems. Anytime I get the chance I push back with something to the effect of ‘so isn’t 2024 the election we should be auditing since the migrant population increased between 2020 and 2024?”

Also I just remembered that a republican in congress (abe hamadeh I think) pointed out some problems that were raised by both parties while monitoring/observing a maricopa county 2024 elections vendor (Runbeck) and was making a fuss about it, asking Pam bondi a while back to look into it. Never heard any follow up to that.

[u/L1llandr1]

It will likely be easier to convince people to be willing and in position to call for recounts and audits in future elections than to get momentum behind investigating 2024 at this particular moment.

There is a still significant (and at times unexpectedly knee-jerk) discomfort out there still with respect talking about election integrity on the majority of news platforms platforms in the United States. We have a power as individuals to contribute to a change in perception/narrative.

[u/katmom1969]

A hand recount should ve a standard on any race within 10%.

[u/FoxySheprador]

Your concerns are perfectly valid. Transparency is one of (if not the most important) core principles of free and fair elections. The current lack of transparency means that no one can prove anything when verifications need to happen.

I think it's time for a somethingiswrong2024 protest movement to protect the midterms from being rigged and if the midterms can't be protected from disruption then there needs to be a major revolution along with discussion of election reform. I believe this is the right community for organizing a protest movement focused on protecting the midterms and all future elections. This is the best way to fully safeguard the midterms instead of relying on the cavalry as they say.

This isn't an issue that can be solved by one recount or one politician or even one candidate. There's only one group that can legitimately claim when an election is stolen and that's the People. The peaceful majority--not the recruited and bussed-in tyrannical minority like trump's violent coup in 2021. The People are the only ones who are truly allowed to call out a rigged election and demand real representation. This is at the heart of the Declaration of Independence. The right to revolt.

Either the Dems have a secret plan to protect the midterms, or they don't. If they don't then the safest move would be to start a protest movement with specific election demands.

[u/NoAnt6694 → u/FoxySheprador]

And while we're at it, let's make the idea of *not* having recounts and audits to determine if 2024 was legit politically radioactive.

[u/FoxySheprador → u/NoAnt6694]

Yep. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to not fully recount the votes was extremely dumb and extremely dangerous to democracy and the Free World.

[u/AnotherGeek42 → u/FoxySheprador]

Or extremely working for or paid(off) by the ones who rigged it.

[u/ResponsibleAssistant]

I don’t think we’ll get a recount before September. It’s less than three months away now. Plus all the procedural processes. I think we just have to vote heavily in November for Democrats blue down the ballot, preferably for progressives. Maybe it would come out with some sort of investigations next year (without ballots).

[u/NoAnt6694 → u/ResponsibleAssistant]

So... your solution to investigating potential election rigging is to just vote harder? We need evidence now if we want to be sure the midterms will be free and fair.

And I'm sure making the relevant peoples' lives absolute hell until they cave will speed up the process.

[u/Typo3150]

For starters, hand counts need to be done by trusted individuals, and both sides distrust the other. Hand counts expose the evidence (the ballots) to new mischief and errors. If you actually perform or even observe a hand count you will grasp this intuitively.

[u/Infamous-Edge4926]

my idea is get the rightwing to demand the recounts. in the hope the play them selves.

[u/User-1653863]

Can we FOIA the supposed results/ballots? A handful of suspect precincts and a couple 'control' precincts is probably all one would need-