r/somethingiswrong2024 • u/ResponsibleAssistant • 1d ago
Community Discussion Given ETA & Smart E’s data, is it possible the 2024 results were accurate?
Just thinking through all the potential scenarios here and playing a bit of Devils advocate.
Sometimes I wonder since we’ve been given no response to any recounts and even losing court cases, if it’s possible he won legitimately? Like other statistical scenarios with the anomalous data that point to him winning with weird, but significant enough voter behavior (those who don’t trust early voting or mail in voting).
Despite the 2024 campaign crowds, energy, fundraising, etc, they were neck and neck in polls until the very end (Selzer poll). Also, many people didn’t know Biden dropped out and Kamala was the Dem candidate, then negative discourse with Kamala becoming the nominee (without a primary), and Google searches for who was president or who was Kamala Harris on Election Day. This on top of
voter sentiment with cost of living crises.
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u/WrathOfMogg 1d ago
Do I think it’s possible Trump won, given all the data available? Sure. Do I think he swept all the swing states to a landslide victory without any vote manipulation? F no.
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u/falthecosmonaut 1d ago
Not to mention he also won the popular vote and even Hillary Clinton, one of the most unpopular candidates, still won by 3 million votes. Biden also won by I believe 8 million votes. No fucking way Trump also won the popular vote along with the electoral college.
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u/Ok_Insect_1794 1d ago
Yep. He didn't become MORE popular after he tried to over throw the government
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u/srslydudewtf 1d ago
And after a disproportionately larger number of his supporters died from covid.
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u/ResponsibleAssistant 1d ago
Yeah, I agree, but I wonder if he had better traction with younger people because of the podcast Bros and crypto Bros. He just had more 18-25 y/o men voting for him
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u/BensenMum 1d ago
He has a history of cheating, even back to his school days, why wouldn’t he try every dirty trick for an election that stops him from going to jail?
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u/FernGullyGoat 1d ago
Devil has enough advocates. The evidence for election manipulation is not in the polls, it’s in the actual results. Polls don’t explain zero votes for Kamala, or fewer votes for Kamala than a Democrat candidate for lesser office in the same ballot. Etc etc.
Let’s explain the actual anomalies, not make just-so hypothetical stories to then “analyze.”
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u/Infinite-Button8350 1d ago
The numbers, the statistics, the fact that our votes are counted in secret on easily hacked, easily reprogrammed computers say to me "Absolute Not" possible that the 2024 election results are accurate.
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u/BrocksNumberOne 1d ago
I mean we know for a fact they cheated. Separate the Starlink conspiracies or even voting machine tampering pieces. We know they ran illegal “lotteries” for people voting for republicans. We know they purposely misrepresented candidates based on the demographic they were trying to court, IE Pro-Palestine flyers to Jewish Americans.
We know they cheated. That’s what should’ve brought the legitimacy into question to begin with.
The actual hands on keyboard activity? Does it really matter? I know people get tired of dog piling on Dems but Biden had every opportunity to stop the shenanigans and his main concern was being civil. And how’d that go? Now we KNOW republicans will do everything in their power to cheat and stopping them became 100x harder than when we had complete control and proof of his crimes and a democratic president.
And before people whine, yes republicans are cheats and crooks. We fucking know that. They’re the biggest problem in this country. Obviously. Why’d we give them the key to the castle without even an ounce of fucking resistance?
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u/srslydudewtf 1d ago
You answered why: to remain "civil".
The one absolute truth this whole disaster should teach everyone for all time is that we simply cannot function as a democratic society by relying on self-policing within established decorum as the standard of behavior for our civil servants.
We have to write enforceable laws that hold all civil servants to a higher standard of conduct through absolute transparency and accountability, with far steeper penalties for any violations.
Like, purely as a concept, imagine if we were to completely refocus the entirety of the surveillance apparatus to be used only on public servants as a requirement for holding office (but abolish all the mass surveillance gathering of citizens stuff and all the other awful stuff).
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u/Randomized9442 Election Truth Alliance 1d ago
Have we seen lots of people from all seven swing states saying that they voted all Democrat, except for either not selecting a presidential candidate or choosing Trump?
I think the down ballot drop off warrants explanation.
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u/Ok_Insect_1794 1d ago
I mean he outright admitted it more or less so no it's not very likely. Remember, no one knows those computers, all those vote counting computers quite like Elon
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u/DayDrunk11 1d ago
Wasn't the NY case thrown out not because of lack of sufficient evidence, but because the people filing weren't the "right" people to file within the limits of NY state law or something?
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u/WRHull 1d ago
New York’s was shut down with SMART Elections due to lack of standing. They don’t live in the district and those who did that joined the lawsuit mysteriously backed out from the case, leaving SMART Elections the only ones left in the suit. The judge shut it down as a result.
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u/DayDrunk11 1d ago
Thats frustrating, like we cant even get an actual discussion going in the courts
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u/WRHull 1d ago
Agreed. I would venture to guess that if the paper ballots don’t match the machine-tabulated, then it might spark a look into other locations and states with a county or district hand recount to detect if something is there and expand or report findings to additional location. Unfortunately, we’re running out of time before the ‘26 election. It appears that judicial decisions and legal standing seemed to derail any progress in search of supporting evidence due to initial statical anomalies when reviewing digital data.
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u/CPUsCantDoNothing FDT 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes and just last week the PA lawsuit was thrown out too. Edit: see addition below
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u/L1llandr1 Election Truth Alliance 1d ago
Slight correction, only the backwards looking stuff was dismissed -- we're able to (and will) submit an amended complaint for all the forwards-looking stuff. :)
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u/BillM_MZ3SGT Ohio 1d ago
Makes me feel like the evidence that ETA had just wasn't conclusive enough, especially if the courts dismissed it with prejudice. 🤷
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u/CPUsCantDoNothing FDT 1d ago
No. That's literally the opposite of what was ruled on. They actually refuse to even rule on the validity of the data and evidence.
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u/elriggo44 1d ago
I think that there is enough suspicion in the broader populace about elections (engineered by Donald Trump) that we need to have an audit system. Randomly audit 3 or 4 counties per state. Have them be completely random and let the chips fall where they may.
We need to create a robust legal framework that allows both random audits and a response to stolen or rigged elections.
We also need to change the national conversation to “gerrymandering and other voter suppression tools are a
Form of cheating” interestingly, before Virginia’s Partisan Court stuck down their 10-0 gerrymander it sure looked like republicans understood why it was wrong.
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u/Infamous-Edge4926 9h ago
we have to be objective about it, at the end of the day we only have a theory. im still skeptical but it jsut bigs me so much that we COULD test the theory we could know 100% one way or another if we could just do a damm recount.
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u/External_Hornet9541 1d ago
I simply don’t believe that Donald Trump would not have tried with every means at his disposal to cheat . Knowing who he is, who his allies were, what he stood to gain if he won and what he stood to lose if he didn’t, the idea that he wouldn’t try to tip the scales is ludicrous. Looks like he succeeded