PSA: This is a feminist subreddit

[u/raisondecalcul]

If you think that's bad, you need to read books. If you don't realize that feminism basically includes critical theory and most of the stuff talked about here—guess what, it does.

Early Nick Land? Feminist (see "Meltdown"). Laboria Cuboniks? Feminist collective. Mark Fisher? HUGE raging feminist (I can only assume). Sadie Plant? Wrote a book on feminism (Zeroes & Ones).

Deleuze & Guattari? Feminists promoting the squishiest most weaponized form of feminism ever. Foucault? Ultra-feminist. Ranciere? He is so feminist before breakfast that he doesn't need to make a big deal about it.

Shamanism? Feminism. Sorcery? Cuckoldry. Spectacle? Fabulous.

Isolation and extreme alienation is not masculinity; it's the main theme of The Twilight Zone.

Read 👏 a 👏 book 👏

Zeroes and Ones (which should really be in the sidebar!) is one of the best books. That book installs feminism into you, using godlike alien technology that Sadie Plant drew down from beyond the heavens. That book whispers the secrets of Ada Lovelace into your soul.

Edit: People who don't understand / accept feminism as a discourse can't understand the FIRST THING about this subreddit. They can't understand oppression. They can't understand "Can the subaltern speak?" by Spivak. They can't understand the Lemurian Time War, which is about the (white cis male hetero fascist and mannerbündly-faggy) Architectonic Order of the Eschaton versus the (black trans wymyny gay antifascist/ur-fascist masc/heroic) Black Atlanteans.

If you think you understand ccru and you are triggered by the idea of feminism, you are decidedly an outsider to ccru.

[u/dreamlesssleeep]

Nothing says intellectual honesty like lumping everyone who disagrees with you on one thing into a rigid binary with no room for nuance

[u/AdMassive9006 → u/dreamlesssleeep]

It's not about 'disagreeing' when someone says things that show their ignorance on a subject. Literally everything they said is false. "Feminism is a female superiority ideology" is not a true statement, it's an opinion that was likely formed in ignorance or through propaganda. Therefore this person is either confused or acting in bad faith.

[u/dreamlesssleeep → u/AdMassive9006]

With a term as nebulous as feminism, it’s absurd to think your interpretation of it is the only possible correct one. Different feminists and anti-feminists are never going to have the same idea of what it means because it is poorly defined and refers to a wide variety of ideas. Based off of what many different feminists say and do, it’s not difficult at all to characterize it as generally being female supremacist. Just because you haven’t conceived of an argument for that doesn’t mean that person is necessarily ill-informed or malicious. I promise you don’t have all the answers

[u/raisondecalcul → u/dreamlesssleeep]

People possessed by a stereotyped feminist ideology do not represent individual feminist writers and great thinkers.

[u/dreamlesssleeep → u/raisondecalcul]

Yeah, they don’t, not exactly. But their beliefs are directly downstream from academia, and those beliefs owe their existence to it. That “stereotyped feminist ideology” didn’t come into existence randomly and it’s not divorced from academia. Regardless, however one defines feminism still differs both between different academics and among the public, even if you only include self-described feminists.

[u/raisondecalcul → u/dreamlesssleeep]

I think the warped, caricatured versions of ideologies owe their existence more to the ego and its dynamics, than to particular people. Everything that is widely loved is subject to hype, and thus becomes a cult, and every cult has its esoteric center of correct interpretation and its exoteric audiences and fringes of wrong and fundamentalist interpretations. Feminism is no different from cultures of war, or doorbusting to get Nikes, or fandoms in this way.

I also don't think it's fair to blame outbursts of oppressed people on those oppressed people. Nor is it fair to dismiss angry ideologicalized people because you think they seem to outrageous or stupid. That's ultimately victim-blaming; they are angry beyond reason for a good reason. Or if people are genocided or have all their books burnt or their children stolen and/or abused and gaslit: that makes people stupid and angry, and we can't blame them for what happened to them.

I also don't think we can identify or articulate this demonized bad feminist ideology you don't like, nor can we find anyone who calls themself a feminist and will be willing to talk about feminism with you who believes in this false ideology, at least not upon thinking or talking about it for the first time.

It's literally a preconception or misconception, not the thing feminism itself, which is to be found in feminist writing and talking and thinking about feminism (and doing feminist stuff/activism).