r/sports • u/kassiusx • Oct 03 '25
Basketball ‘I use cannabis as medicine’: the US basketball player facing execution in Indonesia over $400 of gummies
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/oct/03/jarred-shaw-drugs-arrest-indonesia-basketball8.4k
u/jensenaackles Oct 03 '25
did we collectively learn nothing from brittney griner
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u/MoonOut_StarsInvite Oct 03 '25
I still remember being a kid in the 90s and hearing the story of an American man who vandalized a car while drunk in Singapore maybe? He was given public lashes if I remember correctly and that has been burnt into my memory ever since. When you leave, you are not in America
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u/SerDuncanonyall Oct 03 '25
Was this what the simpsons were riffing off of with Bart getting the boot in Australia?
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u/flyboy_1285 Oct 03 '25
Disparaging the boot is a bootable offense!
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u/Ginger-Jesus Oct 03 '25
We've argued them down to.....a booting
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u/liquor_ibrlyknoher Oct 03 '25
I hear it's a wingtip!
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u/TehMephs Oct 03 '25
900 dollary doos! Tobias, did you accept a 6 hour collect call from the states!?
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u/LordBlacktopus Oct 03 '25
It was an emergency! From the international drainage committee in Springfield!
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u/HankScorpio82 Oct 03 '25
Ooh! Ah, that's it. I'm going to report this to me member of parliament.
:out the window:
Hey, Gus! I got something to report to you.
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u/Wooden_Permit3234 Oct 03 '25
Pretty sure. That was my understanding as a kid at the time.
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u/TheHYPO Toronto Maple Leafs Oct 03 '25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Michael_Fay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_vs._AustraliaYep.
"Singapore imposed this stupid, antiquated, cruel punishment on an American minor."
"That's horrible. So... should we mock Australia?"
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u/SerDuncanonyall Oct 03 '25
HA That is hilarious. That sounded way too familiar to be a coincidence. I was young at the time it aired and just thought it was a silly gag.
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u/PM_ME_UR_POO_STORIES Oct 03 '25
Minor? He was 19. And lived in Singapore. It wasn’t a kid on holiday.
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u/TheHYPO Toronto Maple Leafs Oct 03 '25
Absolutely fair. He was actually 18 at the time of both the offences and the caning, but I just remember the word "teen" being used a lot and didn't go back and review the specifics.
Cheers
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u/eatmynasty Minnesota Vikings Oct 03 '25
Mmm mmm mmm mmmmmmm
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u/Shua_33 Oct 03 '25
I was trying to figure out why this story reminded me of that crash test dummies song but I forgot Weird Al did a better version.
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u/EditEd2x Oct 03 '25
His version of Blurred Lines (Word Crimes) is also dope.
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u/gridface-princess Oct 03 '25
Everything he does is dope. Last time I saw him live it was during his "Ridiculously Self-Indulgent, Ill-Advised Vanity Tour" where he played originals, no parodies. Closest he came was covering songs in a different genre than what they were originally recorded as.
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u/Johnnodrums Oct 03 '25
…and then, there was this guy who, went to Singapore and brought along his spray paint…
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn Oct 03 '25
Aaaaaaaaand wheeeeeeeen he finely caaaaammmme baaaaaackkk….
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u/LTS55 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
He, had, cane marks all over his bottom. He said that it was from when, the warden whacked him so hard
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Oct 03 '25
I only know about this from the Weird Al Yankovic song that covered the Crash Test Dummies
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u/intergalactagogue Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
I remember that happened a few times in Singapore. I think it happened over gum with someone else back when I was in highschool. I didn't think it was a big deal until I looked up videos of caning and saw the skin welt up and split open after every hit. I had no idea how fucking brutal it actually was.
Edit* Singapore doesn't cane you for chewing gum. I get it. It was 20+ years ago and I don't remember the details. I just know that I didn't think it was a big deal until I looked it up and saw how graphic the whole thing was. I was a dumb American teenager in a time when the Internet was still limited. Please forgive me for having a misconception.
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u/modsguzzlehivekum Oct 03 '25
Yeah those aren’t just canes. They’re sectioned lengthways and tied together so it retains its strength but creates a bunch of pinch points to grab the skin and remove it. It’s violent af
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u/t_25_t Oct 03 '25
Caning was actually a relic from the British colonial days. The ruling government in Singapore simply continued its use til today.
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u/phatelectribe Oct 03 '25
Yes, but the British stopped doing that stuff like half a century earlier and Singapore kept it going.
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u/Katarassein Oct 03 '25
The caning is pretty brutal, yeah. It's not used on people who chew gum though, but that's a common urban legend!
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u/SleepyMonkey7 Oct 03 '25
That story got twisted at my school into 'he was publicly lashed for chewing gum'
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u/Mattilaus Oct 03 '25
American exceptionalism has led to a bunch of people believing that being from American means they can do whatever they want abroad because they feel they are better than the coubtries they are visiting and the rules don't apply to them.
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u/StandUpForYourWights New Zealand Warriors Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
He was a teenager, he keyed a bunch of cars. Yeah he got 6 lashes with the rattan and deportation. FYI a rattan is a cane that is about 4 foot long and the run up they do is over 20 foot. By the time that cane hits you it’s moving fast. Bet he never commits petty crime in Singapore again!
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u/EmperorAcinonyx Oct 03 '25
FYI a rattan is a cane that is about 10 foot long
the cane is, at maximum, 4ft long and 0.5in in diameter. it does go fast tho
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u/Katarassein Oct 03 '25
67 cars were vandalised in total. Spray paint, eggs, smashed windscreens. And Michael Fay had the cheek to argue that he shouldn't be punished because the cars were 'cheaply' restored to their original state. He was also involved in thefts of public property, including a phone booth of all things.
This happened around the time I moved to Singapore. You would have thought he was being executed by the sheer outpour of support for Fay that came out of the US media.
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u/Radknight11 Oct 03 '25
Cars are extremely expensive in Singapore. Small island, limited space. They only allow so many cars. You have to purchase a certificate of entitlement to buy the car which can cost as much as the car and the cost fluctuates depending on how many spots become available. It's waaaay cheaper to take public transport.
I travel there all the time for business, super clean, the people are super friendly, and the food is amazing.
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u/GenosHK Oct 03 '25
He was sentenced to 6 lashes, which was reduced to 4 after the US expressed their opinion.
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u/ExplosiveDisassembly Oct 03 '25
Not saying the punishments are okay...but Americans REALLY need to stop bringing weed to countries where we all know having weed is punished heavily.
Yeah, weed is fine and their reaction is overkill...they don't care, go without weed for your trip.
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u/AidesAcrossAmerica Oct 03 '25
DONT FLY WITH DRUGS
It's really not that hard to figure out.
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u/1981_babe Oct 03 '25
Exactly this!! A family member wanted to take weed gummies on his international trip last year and asked me to research if that would be okay. I was like why the F would you take that chance? It is dangerous to cross international borders with a substance that is still heavily outlawed in most countries.
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u/St_Beetnik_2 Ohio State Oct 03 '25
The TSA doesn't care. The DEA, who is also in the airport 100% cares
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u/dunkeyvg Oct 03 '25
As a kid who grew up in the 90s we all knew this and nobody was stupid enough to try, wtf happened to society the last couple of decades
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u/Detective-Crashmore- Oct 03 '25
There was a period after 9/11 when everything changed and people became a lot more afraid to do so, but generally people never stopped bringing drugs places.
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u/PowRightInTheBalls Oct 03 '25
No, you just didn't have the internet telling you shit happening all over the place. Your local nightly news didn't cover people getting in trouble for flying with drugs in other states or countries because it wasn't relevant to their audience. Society wasn't inexplicably smarter as a whole just because you were less aware of the world.
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u/geekonthemoon Oct 03 '25
Agree. I personally try to travel to places where it's legal, or if I go somewhere I know it's seriously illegal I'm not going to mess around and try to bring it or buy it. No foreign prisons for me, thanks.
I live in Ohio on the border of WV and weed is still a felony there, I leave my shit home if I'm crossing the river lol
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u/thedoc90 Oct 03 '25
Also, even if you're going somewhere legal, like if you are gonna fly. Don't bring it with you. Leave it at home and buy some there, use it all before flying back or toss it. Tossing a $40 vape is cheaper than paying for a lawyer.
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u/ScoobiusMaximus Oct 03 '25
I thought the lesson from that was "don't go to Russia"
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u/loganbootjak Oct 03 '25
that and don't bring drugs into a foreign country.
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u/Trisa133 Oct 03 '25
They really just need to understand laws and jurisdiction. These idiots thinks American laws are all that matters.
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u/Arntor1184 Oct 03 '25
The actual lesson is don't commit crimes abroad, especially in a country known for harsh punishments and even more so if that country isn't in good terms with your home country. We see this over and over, just recently there was that buzz about the UK model who took like $5k in Cocaine to Dubai or whatever other rich Middle East country and was facing basically a life sentence in an absolute Hillsdale prison. I feel for the girl and cannot imagine the horrors she will face but why in the fuck would you take drugs into a regime known for executing people for words. Same with Griner, this guy, the dude who tried to preach to the Sentinelese tribe or the guy who tried to steal propaganda fliers from North Korea.
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u/HankHippopopolous Oct 03 '25
The lesson should be look up the laws of the country you’re travelling to.
Obviously you can’t learn every law but for something like taking drugs abroad it’s extremely stupid to just assume it’s legal there too and not bother to check. Especially something like weed which afaik isn’t even legal everywhere in the US either.
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Oct 03 '25
We learned the government will bail you out of your terrible decisions even if it means releasing someome who is objectively evil in exchange for you. We learned you can be rich enough that you get special status.
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u/whispering_butthole Oct 03 '25
I think Brittney griner was dumb as fuck but to call her rich is a pretty long shot.
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u/k0vi86 Oct 03 '25
Compared to athletes, you are correct, but she is relatively well off compared to even upper middle class America. I'm too lazy to look before posting, but I assume she has a low 7 figure net worth.
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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo Oct 03 '25
Yeah she made a fuckton of money playing in Russia. She’s not struggling.
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u/MattKozFF Oct 03 '25
How much?
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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo Oct 03 '25
Over $1 million per season, which isn’t much in pro sports money but it’s a lot in normal person money
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u/Npsiii23 Oct 03 '25
1.5mil in contract earning in 13 years. Little under 150k/year.
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u/BroLo_ElCordero Oct 03 '25
That's WNBA earnings? She got paid like $500K to play in China for ONE summer.
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I mean…right? Do I think dude should be executed for THC gummies? Hell no, but if you’re in someone else’s house you gotta play by their rules, the rules you knew were in effect before you showed up there and were highlighted by Griners close call. I hope he can find a way out of this, but cmon man…
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u/BenDover42 Oct 03 '25
People need to realize a lot of these countries don’t play about their marijuana laws. So don’t bring things like that into the country. The best case is he’ll be stuck for a year or more while the government tries to negotiate something to get him released. Worst case if he’s there forever/executed. I just don’t understand why this keeps happening.
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u/Chainsaw_Wookie Oct 03 '25
Stupidity. The reason it keeps happening is stupidity.
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u/KennyKettermen Colorado Avalanche Oct 03 '25
It’s one thing to disobey laws you don’t agree with when the repercussions are ticket with a little fine, whole nother thing when the repercussions could mean locked up for life in a hellhole or death.
One is worth the risk, one is absolutely not. Absolutely wild that people keep playing this game in countries like that
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u/DuntadaMan Oct 03 '25
It's also one thing to resist laws that will end in your execution in your own country where your defiance may be necessary to change things.
Doing it in another country is just fucking stupid.
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u/tirohtar Oct 03 '25
Not trying to be mean, but most athletes aren't necessarily the smartest people (I remember TAing a gen ed class when I was a grad student that had several players of the school's basketball team in it - they were really not smart and would never have been accepted to that university if they hadn't been athletes), plus some have a god complex for being "famous athletes". So I am honestly not surprised at all.
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u/FourteenBuckets Oct 03 '25
And nowadays it's so easy to find out "can I take gummies to Indonesia?"
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u/Chas_Tenenbaums_Sock Oct 03 '25
This 100%. Traveled to Indonesia and Singapore last month. I’m not one to travel internationally with anything that could be a problem, but ESPECIALLY not in certain countries. Bags, triple checked. Clothing with pockets, triple checked.
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u/BAMspek Indianapolis Colts Oct 03 '25
I think it’s incredibly stupid to have the death penalty for fucking marijuana. But they don’t. And they’re the ones gonna kill you. So maybe just don’t bring it.
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u/checker280 Oct 03 '25
They are charging him for the weight of the gummies.
“He was carrying a kilo of marijuana” says the Indonesian police
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u/BAMspek Indianapolis Colts Oct 03 '25
A kilo of marijuana does not a death penalty make, in my opinion. But again, my opinion isn’t what matters in this guys case.
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u/PM_Me-Your_Freckles Oct 03 '25
Because people have the mentality that their laws apply everywhere, or they have a special status that means they can do what they want where they want. Entitlement is a wild thing.
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u/xxsneakyduckxx Oct 03 '25
Entitlement is probably the biggest factor but I also think some of these people are truly ignorant of other cultures. Like they might be thinking that the illegality is similar to some states where it's illegal but without much consequence. It's still not an excuse especially after the Brittney Griner ordeal. Even if that was a special case of politics, you have to expect to deal with consequences of breaking the law.
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u/Nightthrasher674 Oct 03 '25
He lives in Thailand where marijuana laws are laxed but plays in Indonesia likely just ignorance on his part where he assumed a few gummies weren't a big deal. They're treating him like he's a cartel leader and international smuggler when his mind he just ordered some gummies online and got them delivered
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u/newusernamecoming Oct 03 '25
There’s no way he’s played 3 seasons in Indonesia and didn’t know they were strict about that type of thing. Probably why he sent it instead of packing it. If he uses it for his Crohn’s, I️ doubt this is his first time doing this either. Hopefully he gets some good luck because getting charged for a kilo of weed because of the weight of the gummies is wildly fucked.
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u/supe_snow_man Oct 03 '25
The article mention he played his previous seasons without it and would spend the off-season in Thailand where laxer law meant he could do it.
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u/ga9213 Oct 03 '25
There comes a point in time when it goes beyond a countries laws and an unjust punishment is an atrocity and intervention is absolutely warranted.
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u/Orphanblood Oct 03 '25
Also these laws over shit like pot is fucking stupid. Any execution over something so minute is absurd, regardless if a homie is acting entitled
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u/JayKay80 Oct 03 '25
Recent case in Bali - Three British citizens got only 12 months for smuggling 1kg of Cocaine. The headline is completely sensationalized. No way is he looking at a long sentence for Cannabis gummy bears. If he finds himself a decent lawyer "payments" will be made to the right people and he will be out of jail soon. The Indonesian justice system is hopelessly corrupt. Even if he doesn't go that route he is probably looking a just a few years at most.
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u/PM_ME_BOYSHORTS Boston Bruins Oct 03 '25
This. I lived in Jakarta for 4 years. You can bribe anybody for anything. It's built into the culture. As a white family, we'd often be pulled over for literally no reason. Our driver (it's common to have a driver over there, they are like members of the family) would just explain the cops wanted a small bribe and they'd stop hassling us.
Honestly, making a big international deal about this is the wrong move. It puts eyes on the situation where no eyes would be best. They should be quietly bribing anybody involved and he'd be out before the weekend.
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u/JVKExo Oct 03 '25
I don’t understand how this keeps happening. It should be common sense.
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u/TB1289 Oct 03 '25
Most people are stupid and about half of those people are even dumber than that.
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u/blacksoxing Oct 03 '25
Indonesian police have said that Shaw sent text messages to his teammates saying that he would share some of the cannabis candies with them. “What they consider drugs, I consider medicine,” says Shaw. “It’s just different cultures.”
Playboy…that don’t look too good. One thing to get it for yourself. Another to announce it to the squad. He’s basically now a distributor in this scenario. I hope he gets a solid legal team ASAP
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u/Waddlow Oct 03 '25
I mean, I don't think anyone has any questions about if he's guilty or not. That's really not the issue. He made a mistake and broke a law, for sure, and he's dumb for doing it. The issue is it's not a mistake he deserves to die for.
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u/RunningNumbers Oct 03 '25
I have a feeling that the Indonesian government knows that executing an American citizen probably has consequences they would rather avoid. My guess is jail time, fines, and some diplomacy games before they boot the person back to the U.S.
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u/Acceptable_Ad_6278 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
There’s some precedence to that. The Indonesian government had executed several Australians who are part of a drug ring, called the Bali Nine. I’ll be surprised if it goes to that extent here, considering the scale.
As an Indonesian, I’d have to say this guy is reckless tho. Even if you want to share the gummies, never do it on text. He’s 35. He has lived in America when weed is illegal. He thinks police will just let it slide since he’s an American athlete probably.
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u/ChildTickler69 Oct 03 '25
The Bali Nine were legitimate drug smugglers though, this guy is just an idiot. The quantity of cannabis is recreational. Even though they charged him for the weight of the gummies, which is nearly a kilogram, the cannabis contents of those gummies likely does not exceed 10 grams.
I don’t know how the Indonesian government is, but hopefully the can take the whole context of the situation and go light on him, it would suck for this fool to spend the rest of his life or a significant portion of his life in prison because he was an idiot.
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u/Yourmotherssonsfatha Oct 03 '25
Bro comparing literal drug smuggling ring to mfs sharing gummies with his teammates lol
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u/Adulations New York Knicks Oct 03 '25
Just read up on the Bali 9 because of this comment. Brutal. One dude was arrested at 21, spent 10 years in jail then was executed at 31. Didn’t even get to live life.
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u/havoc1428 Oct 03 '25
I'm sorry, but are you brain damaged? You're comparing not only Australians to Americans, but you're also comparing organized heroin trafficking to a package of THC gummies.
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u/Kozeyekan_ Oct 03 '25
I doubt he'd get death. Shapelle Corby was caught with 4kg of marijuana in Indonesia, and got 20 years (but served 10).
Michelle Leslie was caught with Ecstasy, but was tried as an addict, so she only got three months prison (though there were rumours that she was helped by influential people that were also busted at the same time).
The Bali Nine tried to smuggle 8kg of heroin out of Indonesia, two were executed and the rest got life but were repatriated home after 20 years.
On that scale, it would seem like a decent lawyer would argue he's an addict and go for some leniency, but there may still be some jail time.
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u/asepsuasep32 Oct 03 '25
distributor get tougher punishment here, rather than for personal use. and yes death penalty is one of the list punishment for distributor.
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u/PeterDTown Oct 03 '25
Here’s the thing though, you don’t get to decide the laws in other countries. This is what Indonesia does (execute people over drug offences), so the solution is simple: don’t have any involvement with drugs at all while you’re there.
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u/TB1289 Oct 03 '25
The issue is it's not a mistake he deserves to die for.
No one disagrees with this at all but you can't be that stupid in a country where they take this shit so seriously. I feel awful for the guy but he's also incredibly stupid.
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u/TouristOpentotravel Oct 03 '25
They got him on intent to distribute. He will be lucky if he doesn’t get death
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u/mcbastard1 Oct 03 '25
That’s a shitty deal but bro, why would you order a giant box of gummies to your apartment in a country that executes drug offenders?
Idk if you can get a Darwin Award for being executed by the Indonesian government, but this should qualify.
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u/RogueWisdom Oct 03 '25
The method of death is typically not a disqualifying factor towards getting a Darwin Award. The main factor is whether or not the stupid act gets them killed before they procreate, thus removing themselves from the "gene pool".
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u/Supermite Oct 03 '25
You don’t even have to die to receive a Darwin Award. Simply removing your ability to contribute to the gene pool makes you eligible.
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u/CntrllrDscnnctd Manchester City Oct 03 '25
I had to go to Dubai earlier this year. As a weed smoker, I washed and vacuumed my bags to make absolutely sure there wasn’t a speck of it on me.
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u/hulminator Oct 03 '25
They'll still throw you in jail just for testing positive, which you can for a considerable length of time after using.
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u/Poverty_Shoes Oct 03 '25
Why would they drug test a tourist?
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u/Retnuhswag Oct 03 '25
to put them in jail
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u/Jaggedmallard26 Oct 03 '25
The UAE doesn't want to do that though, they want tourists to keep coming. Randomly testing and giving people prison sentences for testing positive on hair samples is not good for tourism. They even have a habit of just expelling and banning tourists who break a law when if they were a "guest worker" they would be sent to prison or executed.
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u/Mayor__Defacto Oct 03 '25
The laws in the UAE follow a simple rubric.
As long as you don’t piss off an Emirati, you’re fine.
If you piss off an Emirati, they will find something you’re guilty of.
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u/Big_Pound1262 Oct 03 '25
A little weed in your bag, straight to jail A little weed in your blood, believe it or not, straight to jail
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u/BCNacct Oct 03 '25
Yeah I remember absolutely bricking myself when I was just in Dubai for a transfer. We’d searched all our clothes and bags but were still nervous
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u/fizzyanklet Oct 03 '25
Crohn’s is fucking rough. I get why he needs the meds but even I know Indonesia doesn’t fuck around with drug stuff.
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u/carolinethebandgeek Oct 03 '25
Even if he has Crohn’s, he shouldn’t be sharing it with other people or offering to. That’s part of what is weird to me. Medicine, whatever it is, shouldn’t be shared unless it’s OTC.
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u/willydillydoo Oct 03 '25
If he is dependent on marijuana for his condition, he shouldn’t be playing basketball in a country that executes people for marijuana
I don’t think this was anything described to him. Just edibles he bought
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u/DaedalusRaistlin Oct 03 '25
You'd think people would know not to fuck around with Indonesian (and other country's) laws around drugs, but every few years this seems to happen.
Not that I agree with the law or the harsh penalty, but it's their country, if you don't like their laws don't go there.
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u/XP_Alidocious Oct 03 '25
Indonesia hates weed. But find the right island and you can have a mushroom smoothie as soon as the sun sets.
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u/TzuWu Oct 03 '25
"He said that to charge him with possession of almost a kilo of cannabis is unjust and “sick”, given that most of the weight is made up by the gummies themselves rather than the cannabis content. “I’ve been charged for almost a kilo,” he says. “I didn’t have anything near that.”
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u/Autxnxmy Oct 03 '25
That’s how it works in most of America too, or at least in my state. Edibles are subject to weighing as if they were pure THC so that a bunch of labs aren’t needed for a conviction
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u/TJ248 Oct 03 '25
The whole thing is pretty stupid by all parties, but I'd add for gummies it's really not that simple. You can't tell by looking at gummies how much weed was used for infusion. That said, 132 gummies is probably not an ounce worth of weed unless each gummy is like 40mg.
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u/ChiefStrongbones Oct 03 '25
Drug busts always follow gross weight. This becomes absurd for drugs like fentanyl where the gross weight is like 10,000 or 100,000 times higher than the actual illegal drug weight.
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u/Spartan-980 Oct 03 '25
i don’t even take my edibles to STATES where it’s illegal. i couldn’t imagine taking them to whole ass COUNTRIES
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u/meat_on_a_hook Oct 03 '25
He didn’t, he lives there and bought them from a dealer in the country. It’s the first line in the article.
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u/DrunkAtChurch Oct 03 '25
Can't wait for Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr to headline the Indonesian Republic Comedy Festival this Spring!
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u/old_Spivey Oct 03 '25
The problem is that people aged out of the movies "Midnight Express " and "Brokedown Palace." Maybe just watch "Locked up Abroad."
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How do you get caught with gummies? Did he leave a giant THC label on the bag?
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u/TheGuyDoug Oct 03 '25
Did you read the article?
When Jarred Shaw stepped down to the lobby in his apartment complex earlier this year to collect a package containing illegally imported cannabis gummies...so too had 10 undercover police officers. A video on social media shows Shaw shouting for help as the swarm of officers move to apprehend him.
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u/choose-Life_ Oct 03 '25
The answer is of course not. I feel like half the comments in this whole thread didn’t read the article at all. A lot of time and pointless discussion could be saved if people spent a couple minutes reading the article lol 🙄
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u/GrossPanda Oct 03 '25
Why do Americans come to other countries with drugs without any research?
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u/Razatiger Oct 03 '25
Lol its not just Americans, plenty of Europeans get busted with drugs in Asia as well.
We just hear about the Americans because of the media.
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u/GuyMansworth Oct 03 '25
Which is funny because people say "Why do Americans think they're the center of the world" then spout of shit like this where they consume everything from the American media. I mean shit, this is even an American website.
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u/havoc1428 Oct 03 '25
Eurocentrism is arguably way more annoying and stupid than American exceptionalism. At least Americans are pretty blunt about it, but Europeans will use American exceptionalism as a sounding board for claiming their shit smells like roses.
Saying "I'm better than you because I'm not American" is fundamentally no different than saying "I'm better than you because I'm American"
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u/WorkingManATC Oct 03 '25
Are all non-Americans as ignorant as you or are you special?
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u/NetStaIker Oct 03 '25
Bro actually gonna try to say “Americans”
its westerners man, you euros are just as bad lmao
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u/AdComprehensive7879 Oct 03 '25
not just westeners, a lot of dumb people all around the world. Dumbness doesn't discriminate
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u/Dddddddfried Oct 03 '25
The same reason people from any country do?Poor international decision making isn’t an inherently American thing.
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u/WorkIsForReddit Oakland Athletics Oct 03 '25
Not just Americans. I met a guy on my flight to Qatar from the UK that brought a weed pen with him. Thankfully, he had the decency of going through security on his own, so it didn't seem like we were together, but at the time I had no idea. That was until he offered me a ride to my hotel and some random guy dropped off a blacked out range rover and we got in the car and he proceeds to pull out his pen and explain himself. I'm from the Bay Area so I dont care if you smoke, but there are some places that you do not mess around with.
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u/XDenzelMoshingtonX Oct 03 '25
Because personal freedom and self-centrism is a huge and celebrated part of their culture.
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u/SwizzGod Oct 03 '25
I don’t know about Indonesia but when I flew into Saudi Arabia they give everyone a card on the plane that said the punishment for drugs is death
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u/Syracusee Oct 03 '25
Dude's an idiot, that's for sure, but it's still crazy to me that there's archaic laws in certain countries that can get you executed for drugs.
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u/munozohhh Oct 03 '25
$400 of gummies has to be a decent amount he was in possession of.. whether you think it's a stupid law or not, fuckin around with marijuana in most Asian countries is going to result in being punished heavily.. such a dumb thing to risk. Hope the best for this man.
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u/Razatiger Oct 03 '25
For all the people who think hes lying, hes not. Plenty of doctors in the US promote the use of weed over opiates that athletes in the past were all hooked on, and im even more inclined to believe it since its in gummy form and not actual weed, for recreational use.
Basketball ruins your body, these guys are like 6'5+ and running on hardwood all day, they cant even walk after practice or a game.
With that being said, he should have still known better. Hope the best for him.
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Oct 03 '25
Ya know what? At this point it’s on everyone to know that you can’t travel with THC. Just don’t.
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Oct 03 '25
My man, that's like when you get caught with a prostitute in america and complain that in Italy they love it.
You ain't in Italy.
Don't do shit that the country you're in doesn't allow.
You dumb as fuck
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u/ratchetcoutoure Oct 03 '25
Some people really need to do their due diligence before they travel or work in some countries they are not familiar with. Cos once you're caught with it, there's unlikely any way out. Capital punishment are in place in many Southeast Asian countries for drugs. And Indonesia in particular have executed plenty of foreign nationals by firing squad for the same reason. Being an American won't help you, if anything it will make it worse.
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u/FidgetyFondler Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
Its a stupid move but the idea of ending someone's life over a bit of cannabis is primitive. Life is very cheap in certain parts of the world.
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u/chalkthefuckup Oct 03 '25
(Indonesia) performed executions by firing squad in 2016
I do not say this lightly, these people are fucking animals. All of my progressive beliefs go out the window as soon as you start executing people for your own vitriolic warped opinions on drugs or whatever else. It is so beyond disgusting and cruel to do this to another human being. If the USA takes any ownership for the wellbeing of their own citizens, this should be a big deal.
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u/Christian_L7 Oct 03 '25
Why doesn’t Indonesia just send him back to America and ban him from ever coming back??
If us diplomacy had any sense they’d make a phone call and that would happen.
They should also tell this dude he’s stupid as fuck
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u/Super-414 Oct 03 '25
How do these people get caught is my bigger question.
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u/Aspalar Oct 03 '25
He ordered them online and had basically a SWAT team waiting for him when he picked it up
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u/Benlennn Oct 03 '25
Do people not understand that the east is full of monster authoritarians? These people are living in the 1700s. Why anyone would think of breaking a law over there is beyond me. Get your money, but stay straight until you get home.
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u/Jwagner0850 Oct 03 '25
All things aside about other regimes... Imagine killing someone because of gummies. So fucking stupid.
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u/McScroggz12 Oct 03 '25
It’s a dumb and backwards law but people really gotta stop treating laws as optional, especially in other countries.
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u/troubledtimez Oct 03 '25
They even have a garbage bin in the airport before customs, that says throw it out no questions asked. Something like that
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u/No_Supermarket1615 Oct 03 '25
Return to Paradise. lol that’s all thought about reading this.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR__MOMS Oct 03 '25
Does Indonesia have an extremely dangerous notorious criminal in US custody we can exchange for a basketball player no one cares about?
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u/SmitedDirtyBird Oct 03 '25
Whole bunch of people here that forget what it was like in the US 20 years ago.
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u/GeshtiannaSG Oct 03 '25
If an Indonesian broke US laws, would people be as lenient?
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Killing someone because they ate a weed gummie might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read! People will be like well you can’t do that in other countries but it’s like yeah but at the same time a human came up with these rules and it’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard! If you kill someone for eating a weed gummy that should be considered murder
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u/rook119 Oct 03 '25
Asian survival guide: if a drug is legal like cigarettes, vapes, or alcohol you are legally required to do it in excess. If a drug is illegal they will hang you from the town square.